Which decade has been the worst decade ever for Somalis/Somalia

[Galool]

@Idilinaa this same faction that did not want to unite and then went to the ethiopians for support, were they tied to the group that fought the Sayid for the British?

If true what is with this group? Clearly there are traitors to be found all over and many have been mentioned in this thread. But why are they consistently undermining Somalis with ethiopian support?

It seems like the only group that has an unbroken chain of treachery.

 

[X29]

If it was the FGS, Aden's regime and TFG it probably would be true and another example is Yemen for comparison.

But no it wouldn't have ended like that because the Government was socialist but also very robust in governance in allocating expenditure & resources and had lower levels of corruption.
So it would go into developing the country and social programs, same as what was happening already.
The first few years of the regime was one of the most successful governing periods in African history.

Why didn't the kacaan develop it oil industry during the 70s

 

[Idilinaa]

@Idilinaa this same faction that did not want to unite and then went to the ethiopians for support, were they tied to the group that fought the Sayid for the British?

If true what is with this group? Clearly there are traitors to be found all over and many have been mentioned in this thread. But why are they consistently undermining Somalis with ethiopian support?

It seems like the only group that has an unbroken chain of treachery.

I am not really sure where the treachery originates from. All i know is that Ethiopia sought to exploit the tension between the north and south and they tried many times to destroy Somalia with Ethiopian support since the founding of the new republic they also wanted to the negate the union.

They were stopped in their tracks many times. So yeah it was an unbroken chain of betraying the Somali nation non-stop since the government formed.

It's like that article i linked said, they were self-serving , greedy, had political ambitions (want to rule and get back at other Somali, not serve or build) and they were completely unrepentant like they would be caught red handed many times for wrongdoings and they never owned up to it.


They went to Ethiopia because no other Somali wanted to support them and their crimes against the country.

Then they contacted Ethiopian Embassy in London and plotted a relocation to Ethiopia, to finalize and to organized themselves.

 

[Idilinaa]

Why didn't the kacaan develop it oil industry during the 70s

Although they have been exploring for oils since the 60s

They only discovered potential oil reserves and deposits in the early 80s. And back then they made deals with international oil exploration companies and they had already begun drilling before the overthrow and collapse

https://mopmr.gov.so/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Somalia-LICENSE-ROUND-2019-DW-0602-15-blocks-v3-WEB.pdf

Most Giant IOC’s had acreages in Somalia before 1991, before the collapse of the state

Geophysical data was gathered, exploration took off and more than 60 wells were drilled in the efforts preceding 1991.

So yeah these buffoon traitors set us back immensely.

 

[X29]

Although they have been exploring for oils since the 60s

They only discovered potential oil reserves and deposits in the early 80s. And back then they made deals with international oil exploration companies and they had already begun drilling before the overthrow and collapse

https://mopmr.gov.so/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Somalia-LICENSE-ROUND-2019-DW-0602-15-blocks-v3-WEB.pdf

So yeah these buffoon traitors set us back immensely.

How do you think the diaspora would be with there be any and what would are GDP be hypothetically speaking?

 

[Idilinaa]

How do you think the diaspora would be with there be any and what would are GDP be hypothetically speaking?

If you factor in our population + Oil export revenue + economic diversification

Our population at the end of the 80s was 6 million it would amount to 500-600 billion USD in todays money in GDP. Think of Norway as close approximate.

without economic diversification i would say around 80-85 billion USD in GDP. Think of Oman and Kuwait as close approximate to this.

So it could range from 80-600 billion USD.

Didn't understand the question about the diaspora, could you repeat it. How do i think the diaspora would fare if there was oil exports?

 

[X29]

If you factor in our population + Oil export revenue + economic diversification

Our population at the end of the 80s was 6 million it would amount to 500-600 billion USD in todays money in GDP. Think of Norway as close approximate.

without economic diversification i would say around 80-85 billion USD in GDP. Think of Oman and Kuwait as close approximate to this.

So it could range from 80-600 billion USD.

Didn't understand the question about the diaspora, could you repeat it. How do i think the diaspora would fare if there was oil exports?

What I mean would there be a large diaspora or would it be very small

 

[Idilinaa]

What I mean would there be a large diaspora or would it be very small

There would be a small diaspora group , it would primarily consist of business people, mariners and students. There weren't a large pool of economic migrants before the collapse in 91.

You can look at Japan and Norway before and after the 60s. They were mass immigrating to the US and Japanese were also immigrating to parts Latin America, for economic opportunities.

But when those countries experienced economic growth and better living standards during the 60s into 90s it completely halted. Non of them are interested in leaving their country anymore and a large bulk of them returned as well.

 

[X29]

There would be a small diaspora group , it would primarily consist of business people, mariners and students. There weren't a large pool of economic migrants before the collapse in 91.

You can look at Japan and Norway before and after the 60s. They were mass immigrating to the US and Japanese were also immigrating to parts Latin America, for economic opportunities.

But when those countries experienced economic growth and better living standards during the 60s into 90s it completely halted. Non of them are interested in leaving their country anymore and a large bulk of them returned as well.

Who would be the leader of Somalia during the 90s and 2000s in this timeline

 

[Nin123]

Probably 1990s that was the year the Siad Barre regime came to an end. Blaxk hawk down, civil war. Since than we haven't had a decent decade just been constant decaying.

90s by far was the worst then second is 2000s.

 

[Idilinaa]

Who would be the leader of Somalia during the 90s and 2000s in this timeline

They would probably transition into election based democracy is my guess. Like what happened to Singapore.

If not it would probably be Ali Samatar the vice president at the time, in the mid 80s Somalia was showings signts that it was headed towards a regime change.

Plus trying to destroy the country and incite violence because you disagree with one old man, who would have left office in just a few years time has to be idiotic. These criticisms they make even if they were true does not make much sense as a justification.

In the mid 80s Somalia was on it's way towards a regime and a transition as New York Times reported it: All they should have done is wait it out for peaceful transition and build on the regime change and correct/change on things they felt needed it.

What is always apparent to me is that Somalia would have gone in the direction of the Nordic countries who were experimenting with socialism becoming a mixed social -capitalist country in the end. Would have went on the same path as Singapore from dictatorship to elective democracy and it would have just become more increasingly Islam oriented , more people were becoming practicing and wearing hijab during his administration compared to Aden's. That's the transition it would have made if people allowed it to.

Also notice it says:

''Thousands of Somalis, waving green branches to symbolize life and rebirth filled the streets of the capital to welcome their leader''

It shows how much he was embraced and loved by the local civilian populous. They try to paint things through the perceptive of disgruntled individuals and imply the government was hated.

 

[X29]

They would probably transition into election based democracy is my guess. Like what happened to Singapore.

If not it would probably be Ali Samatar the vice president at the time, in the mid 80s Somalia was showings signts that it was headed towards a regime change.

How was Ali smatar perceived