Who is behind the so called D-r conference in Addis Ababa?

[Fiidmeer]

Futah Al Habash is nearly 500 years ago. If Jarso were not mentioned back then as Somalis (500 years ago) it is very unlikely they are Somali.

They were, didn't you read the quote earlier? Dawaro is Jaarso sub clan.

 

[Bohol]

They were, didn't you read the quote earlier? Dawaro is Jaarso sub clan.

It is not from actual historical evidence though. It says "Somali reckoning" aka sheeko sheeko.If I believed everything Somalis run around with Ahmed Guray (the Imam) was also a Somali.


"By Somali reckoning, the founder of Dawaro Sultanate was Jārso people belonging to the Ali Madaḥweyne branch which is a sub-clan of Dir. After the Oromo migrations, the ʿAli Madaḥweyne Dir were absorbed into the Afran Qallo Barentuma confederation, and today the Jarso are reckoned as Jārsō Daggā Qāllō Barentuma Oromō."

 

[Fiidmeer]

But Dawaro is actually a Jaarso sub clan. If Dawaro sultanate existed in Adal times the theh can't be Oromo because Oromo are originally from southern Ethiopia and northern Kenya.

 

[Bohol]

But Dawaro is actually a Jaarso sub clan. If Dawaro sultanate existed in Adal times the theh can't be Oromo because Oromo are originally from southern Ethiopia and northern Kenya.

So that still doesn't proof Jarso are Somalis. The area was home to hundreds of different ethnic groups.

 

[Fiidmeer]

So that still doesn't proof Jarso are Somalis. The area was home to hundreds of different ethnic groups.

The others in eastern Hararge were the semitic speaking people.

 

[Bohol]

The others in eastern Hararge were the semitic speaking people.

Language alone doesn't determine ethnicity. The Garre might not even speak standard Somali and speak Af Garre but there is no question about their Somaliness compared to the Jarso speaking Somali.


Basically.

A Oromo living in Hargeisa speaking Somali = still a Oromo

A Eelay speaking Af may may living in Baydhabo = a Somali

 

[Fiidmeer]

Language alone doesn't determine ethnicity. The Garre might not even speak standard Somali and speak Af Garre but there is no question about their Somaliness compared to the Jarso speaking Somalis.

Garre speak "af garre" because they used to be controlled by Oromos. "Af garre" is literally Borana dialect of Oromo.

 

[.279]

A Eelay speaking Af may may living in Baydhabo = a Somali

Af may is literally af somali tho. That's a somali speaking somali

af Somali =/= maxaa tiri

 

[Bohol]

Af may is literally af somali tho. That's a somali speaking somali

af Somali =/= maxaa tiri

Yh two different dialects but you would understand a Oromo pretending to be "Somali" speaking Somali in Hargeisa more compared to may may still doesn't mean they are Somali.

 

[Bohol]

Garre speak "af garre" because they used to be controlled by Oromos. "Af garre" is literally Borana dialect of Oromo.

Well that is my point. Language alone is not a good evidence of ethnicity origin. Otherwise all those Oromos speaking Somali in Somali territories would have been considered Somali. Likewise the Oromos know some groups that speak Oromo are Somali such as the Gurgure of Dhire Dhaba.

 

[Fiidmeer]

Well that is my point. Language alone is not a good evidence of ethnicity.

Have you seen Jaarso speaking Somali? They sound like normal Somalis sxb. They sound more Somali than those who speak Garam garam dialect.

 

[Bohol]

Have you seen Jaarso speaking Somali? They sound like normal Somalis sxb. They sound more Somali than those who speak Garam garam dialect.

Problem is language doesn't make them Somali. They need to take DNA tests to see how they cluster with other Somali groups. If their DNA markers are closer to Oromo then they are Oromo. That goes for groups whose origins are questionable/disputed like the Jarso. Groups like the Karanle of Babile, Gurgure of Dhire Dhaba etc don't need to take it though since we already know they are Somalis from present to historical records.

 

[Fiidmeer]

Problem is language doesn't make them Somali. They need to take DNA tests to see how they cluster with other Somali groups. If their DNA markers are the closer to Oromo then they are Oromo. That goes for groups whose origins are questionable/disputed like the Jarso. Groups like the Karanle, Gurgure etc don't need to take it though since we already know they are Somalis from present to historical records.

If they're Oromo then we can say Geri koombe are Oromo because they marry each other.

 

[Bohol]

If they're Oromo then we can say Geri koombe are Oromo because they marry each other.

Y DNA is paternal it doesn't matter if one marries Oromo women or not the paternal DNA marker is the same. Plus Geri Kombe don't claim to be Oromos or have identity crisis.

 

[Fiidmeer]

Y DNA is paternal so how would Geri Kombe be Oromo?

The Y DNA doesn't tell your whole DNA it's the Autosomal DNA that matters in these cases. If it were up to Y DNA only then T Somalis and E Somalis wouldn't be related. So Geri Koombe would have Oromo influences that normal Somalis don't have. Also it's not only that clan many more clans have Oromo influences in the Somali region of Ethiopia.

 

[Bohol]

The Y DNA doesn't tell your whole DNA it's the Autosomal DNA that matters in these cases. If it were up to Y DNA only then T Somalis and E Somalis wouldn't be related. So Geri Koombe would have Oromo influences that normal Somalis don't have. Also it's not only that clan many more clans have Oromo influences in the Somali region of Ethiopia.

It does when the T1a and E1ba subclades in Somalia/Somali areas are native to the area for at-least 3000 years and it is not found anywhere else for the most part. The Somali E1ba subclade for example has a specific marker which most Oromos don't have. So unfortunately for your Jarso friends it is not that simple to hide within Somalis and that is without including the cluster dna. Besides since Jarso claim to be Dir, it will be easy to find out present day most Dir in Somali Region, Djibouti and Somaliland region are T1a and have specific subclade if they don't have it well there goes their claim.

 

[Fiidmeer]

It does when the T1a and E1ba subclades in Somalia/Somali areas are native to the area for at-least 3000 years and it is not found anywhere else for the most part. The Somali E1ba subclade for example has a specific marker which most Oromos don't have. So unfortunately for your Jarso friends it is not that simple to hide within Somalis and that is without including the cluster dna.

It's actually E1b1b. 3000 years ago Somalis and Oromos would've been the same people.

 

[Bohol]

It's actually E1b1b. 3000 years ago Somalis and Oromos would've been the same people.

Nah majority of Oromo are not related to Somalis at all. They are confederation with different daddies.

Oromos have 7 main daddies and two smaller ones.

 

[Fiidmeer]

Nah majority of Oromo are not related to Somalis at all. They are confederation with different daddies.

Didn't I say that Oromos assimilated many people. The majority of them seem to have the same sub clade as the Somalis.

 

[Bohol]

Didn't I say that Oromos assimilated many people. The majority of them seem to have the same sub clade as the Somalis.

35% is not majority and that 35% ain't related to Somali clans for thousands of years. Those
are the Cushitic ones. So if even the Cushitic ones are not related to Somalis for a while there
is no point Hargeisa elders in Addis Ababa crying "Borana wa Dir" and other nonsense. Dir are
T1a. There is no T1a Oromos for the most part (less than 2%).