Who is behind the so called D-r conference in Addis Ababa?

[Fiidmeer]

What kind of question is that? Are you saying the attackers dont identify as oromos?

The jaarso that live in the somali region identify as Somali. If they were Oromo then why differentiate between Somalis?

 

[Marsin]

The jaarso that live in the somali region identify as Somali. If they were Oromo then why differentiate between Somalis?

Because their own suldaan said jaarso are oromos

 

[Fiidmeer]

Because their own suldaan said jaarso are oromos

Jarso are actually Somali who've been assimilated by Oromos. Some identify as Somali so I would rather consider them Somalis than push them away and let them be completely assimilated by Oromos. If they were to claim Oromo it wouldn't be good for the Somalis because then the Oromos could claim faafan region.

 

[Bohol]

Jarso are actually Somali who've been assimilated by Oromos. Some identify as Somali so I would rather consider them Somalis than push them away and let them be completely assimilated by Oromos. If they were to claim Oromo it wouldn't be good for the Somalis because then the Oromos could claim faafan region.

It is the other way round lol. They are Oromos some of them got Somalized. They even have a entire woreda named after them in Oromia region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarso_(Hararge)

 

[CaliTedesse]

It is the other way round lol. They are Oromos some of them got Somalized. They even have a entire woreda named after them in Oromia region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarso_(Hararge)

Many Somali clans have woredas in Oromia kilil

 

[Bohol]

Many Somali clans have woredas in Oromia kilil

Yh but the Oromos themselves will tell you Jarso were never Somalis. Ask @AfranQallo

 

[Fiidmeer]

It is the other way round lol. They are Oromos some of them got Somalized. They even have a entire woreda named after them in Oromia region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarso_(Hararge)

Don't you know many Oromos in east Hararge are originally Somalis?

 

[CaliTedesse]

Yh but the Oromos themselves will tell you Jarso were never Somalis. Ask @AfranQallo

Oromos are not even a real group there is no old documented evidence of their existence they are a conglomerate of people different ethnics recently united by tongue

 

[Bohol]

Don't you know many Oromos in east Hararge are originally Somalis?

Yes those with clear evidence such as the Gurgure, Barsuk, Karanle (Hawiye) etc some of those groups majority of them still identify as Somalis in the region. There is no proof Jarso was ever a Somali group in historical records though so don't be quick to claim them.

 

[Bohol]

Oromos are not even a real group there is no old documented evidence of their existence they are a conglomerate of people different ethnics recently united by tongue

True but we should becareful of those groups that claim one day they are Oromo and the
next Somali.The Cisse has bordered the Oromos/Afars hundreds of years yet you never
see them claiming Oromo now that is a real Somali clan.

 

[Fiidmeer]

Yes those with clear evidence such as the Gurgure, Barsuk, Karanle (Hawiye) etc. There is no proof Jarso was ever a Somali group in historical records though so don't be quick to claim them.

There are some sub clans within them that are Somalis. I even know some who claim Somali.

 

[Dues Ex Machina]

If a clan claims they are oromo even once, they are oromo forever imho. By adding all of these unverifiable peoples dir is not a clan any longer, but a confederation that can add and subtract clans based on politics.

 

[Bohol]

There are some sub clans within them that are Somalis. I even know some who claim Somali.

That might be the case but Jarso origin is not Somali.

 

[.279]

It is the other way round lol. They are Oromos some of them got Somalized. They even have a entire woreda named after them in Oromia region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarso_(Hararge)

They're originally Somali but were assimilated by oromos. The current jaarsos are a confused clan confederation

Emperor Amda Seyon I of Abyssiniaconquered many of the adjacent independent Muslim sultanates during his reign. In 1329, Sulṭān Ḥaydar of Dawaro was captured and imprisoned together with his ally Sulṭān Sabir ad-Dīn Maḥamed. Despite several rebellions and a brief period when Ahmeduddin Badlay a powerful Somali ruler from Adal Sultanatecaptured Dawaro and turned it into a vessel of Adal and after the weakening of Adal Sultanate, the opportunist Oromos captured the vessel state and assimilated the local native Somali population. Just like many Somalis in Hararghe, the Jarso people were also assimilated into the Oromo confederation after the weakening of Adal Sultanate by its war with the Ethiopian Empireand Portuguese Empire.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Dawaro

 

[Bohol]

They're originally Somali but were assimilated by oromos. The current jaarsos are a confused clan confederation

Emperor Amda Seyon I of Abyssiniaconquered many of the adjacent independent Muslim sultanates during his reign. In 1329, Sulṭān Ḥaydar of Dawaro was captured and imprisoned together with his ally Sulṭān Sabir ad-Dīn Maḥamed. Despite several rebellions and a brief period when Ahmeduddin Badlay a powerful Somali ruler from Adal Sultanatecaptured Dawaro and turned it into a vessel of Adal and after the weakening of Adal Sultanate, the opportunist Oromos captured the vessel state and assimilated the local native Somali population. Just like many Somalis in Hararghe, the Jarso people were also assimilated into the Oromo confederation after the weakening of Adal Sultanate by its war with the Ethiopian Empireand Portuguese Empire.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Dawaro

That is Wikipedia niyohow. I am talking about concrete evidence. For example the Gurgure and Bursuk were mentioned as Somali clans in Futah Al Habash conquest of Abyssinia.

 

[.279]

That is Wikipedia niyohow. I am talking about concrete evidence. For example the Gurgure and Bursuk were mentioned as Somali clans in Futah Al Habash conquest of Abyssinia.

Well whatever they were originally is irrelevant. We don't accept confused clans so they're oromo to me

 

[Bohol]

Well whatever they were originally is irrelevant. We don't accept confused clans so they're oromo to me

Some people got confused by them because they learned to speak Somali. Many Oromos in Hargeisa speak Somali doesn't mean suddenly they are ethnic Somalis.

 

[Fiidmeer]

That is Wikipedia niyohow. I am talking about concrete evidence. For example the Gurgure and Bursuk were mentioned as Somali clans in Futah Al Habash conquest of Abyssinia.

Check the refrences niyow. Also these clans were assimilated in the last 2 centuries, Jaarso was before that. So it's logical why Somalis remember them.

 

[.279]

If a clan claims they are oromo even once, they are oromo forever imho. By adding all of these unverifiable peoples dir is not a clan any longer, but a confederation that can add and subtract clans based on politics.

Nah G. Beesha putting our money together, making all confused clans spit in a cup and sending it to 23and me

 

[Bohol]

Check the refrences niyow. Also these clans were assimilated in the last 2 centuries, Jaarso was before that. So it's logical why Somalis remember them.

Futah Al Habash is nearly 500 years ago. If Jarso were not mentioned back then as Somalis (500 years ago) it is very unlikely they are Somali.