No one is denying the atrocities that occurred during the civil war, those responsible will pay for their crimes IA. But quite frankly I find it disingenuous of you to deny the atrocities that was committed by the Ethiopian regime, against your own people by the way. Due to obvious clan and political “loyalties”. Even though there are hard evidence that prove you wrong, over 20,000 innocent civilians lost their lives, and millions displaced. And here you are denying it, may Allah guide you sxb.
Why did abdullahi Yusuf bring the crusaders to Somalia
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Why just MJ? Abgaal were part and parcel of that government
Geedi was an Ethiopian puppet. Can’t believe he still walking freely in Xamar till this day.
He is the one who brought Itoobiya and AMISOM and overthrew the Islamic Courts Union which ushered peace in South Somalia for the first time in 18 years. Most of the ulema have said he is a clear kaafir. May Allah alleviate the crusaders he brought in that still occupy us today. لعنتلله عله
ICU attack puntland at 2000s, before ever AY shift his goverment from baidou to Xamar.
Who forget ICU sent warning to Ethiopian !!!.
Plus Alkabaab was ICU military wing link to Alqaaeda.
So Yes, ICU was Somalia enemy needed to be dealth with.
Who forget ICU sent warning to Ethiopian !!!.
Plus Alkabaab was ICU military wing link to Alqaaeda.
So Yes, ICU was Somalia enemy needed to be dealth with.
Geedi was a good boy. Not sure what happened to him.
From experts I heard back in 2006 at baydhabo as the ICU reached the outskirts, yey said I'm going to garowe I'm done with this warlords and looters now jumping on board more financial looting projects like terror.
Geedi said no, wait, I have long ties with Meles during his time in Mogadishu under siyad barre, and apparently their some family relations like marriages. He said ill get him to bring 20,000 ethiopians, but meles told geedi we need a presidential signature which yey at first refused but at the pressure of geedi he did sign it.
It was all geedi idea to bring Ethiopia, yey hated them, how can u like someone who arrested u since 85 to 91 all because u asked menguistu unify the rebel group and create a transitional model post siyad like hts doing in syria. Menguistu told yey their no plan for post Somalia beyond siyad and he refused it and they locked him up.
Geedi said no, wait, I have long ties with Meles during his time in Mogadishu under siyad barre, and apparently their some family relations like marriages. He said ill get him to bring 20,000 ethiopians, but meles told geedi we need a presidential signature which yey at first refused but at the pressure of geedi he did sign it.
It was all geedi idea to bring Ethiopia, yey hated them, how can u like someone who arrested u since 85 to 91 all because u asked menguistu unify the rebel group and create a transitional model post siyad like hts doing in syria. Menguistu told yey their no plan for post Somalia beyond siyad and he refused it and they locked him up.
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Niggas be living in the west in a council house and be calling westerners crusaders.
Take this Al-Shabab larp outta here.
Take this Al-Shabab larp outta here.
Abdillahi Yusuf was the least worst among a whole lotta bad, that's why his federal govt legacy lives on. Everything post 91 is low grade but if any of u understood maths, their not all equally as bad. It's like saying a drug or alcoholic is the same sin as murderer, looters, gossiper the worst sins in islam not alcohol and khat? Even god doesn't see sin as equal, somalis in general commit sins that Allah won't forgive but is acceptable as normal yet the minor sins are seen major sins in Somalia.
Plus yey had no financial motives he died in debt, that says alot, he wanted to clean up his legacy that was his most important driver so at least it balances from negative to positive and ends in zero. ICU, terrorists, warlords and those who love them have nothing more then financial motives guiding them.
Plus yey had no financial motives he died in debt, that says alot, he wanted to clean up his legacy that was his most important driver so at least it balances from negative to positive and ends in zero. ICU, terrorists, warlords and those who love them have nothing more then financial motives guiding them.
What else were they in your opinion? Your just trying to buetifiy it and make it seem less worse than what it was. I don't support alshabab and I don't fully agree with icu on everything.
Why tho? I'm mj and I don't hate other Somali clan, only ones I hate are the leaders.
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There was no government in Xamar, forget Abdullahi Yusuf who couldn't enter xamar and based his tfg government in baydhabo. Even Abdi qaasim who was HG cayr couldn't enter Villa Somalia since HG sacad refuse to vacate it for him. So tbh during the warlord era it would've been very difficult for any president to gain power. But guess what? The ICU dealt with the warlords and expelled them by force with the support of the locals. Shouldn't the ones who gained power through their own hands rule or a government that was setup in Nairobi with no real power?
And everyone knows the airport and port was reopened by the ICU when they took power in Xamar
Look at this aljazeera article
Mogadishu port reopened
The Islamic Courts Union, a Somali militia, has reopened the seaport in Mogadishu, Somalia’s capital, for the first time in 11 years as the group continues to expand its control over the country.The ICU were capturing towns 300km from Mogadishu and yet now the current gov can't capture Jilib after what 14 or so odd years?
And the airport
Somalia: First commercial flight in 11 years - Somalia
News and Press Release in English on Somalia; published on 31 Jul 2006 by TNH
Sxb what happened in the 90s is a black stain for Hawiye no doubt, for the way they treated darood civilians, raxanweyn, cadcads and other minorities....and I'm saying this as nin hawiye, the stories I've heard from decent hawiye people who lived in Xamar during that time is something that leaves you in disgust.
Ciqaabta meesha ka imaaday waa aragtay, HG and Abgaal turned on each other and had a bloody 4 month war and couldn't make concessions for each other.
No doubt there were a lot of moriyaans, and mujrims, but if the general public and the sheikhs finally stood up to the moriyaan and removed them from power whilst using Islam as their guiding force does that mean they were disingenuous? These very same hawiye warlords use to capture any wadaad they see and send him to CIA blacksites in return for ransoms. One of the biggest sheikhs in Somalia, Boqolsoon was killed travelling in a bus whilst passing through moriyaan isbaaro. Sheikh shariif was kicked out from Jowhar by the warlord mohamed dheere.
Hawiye suffered for their sins for 15 years, but when they repented and realised their mistakes they were dismantled from the outside. Moriyaan was iska qabaneen and defeated them, but the very same AY you support gave them another lifeline....ironic ha?
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Garaad Awal
War is coming.
The CIA & Americans revived it. He was just their poster boy
I think the price paid for reviving the Somali state was worth it. Most Somalis in the future will probably agree.
Garaad Awal
War is coming.
Should have been revived in the South organically the way State institutions in the North were revived organically. This implantation of this govt by the West is one of the many reasons why the South can’t rise.
This conversation is revived every three months. This conversation is mute because Abdullahi
Yusuf himself regretted the invasion of southern Somalia and the forceful incursion after the fact. If he himself could see how disastrous the meddling was, there is no need to dogmatically defend one of the biggest mistakes in modern Somali history. But people live by the mantra of "My clan can do no wrong."
It reminds me of that Japanese soldier who kept fighting 27 years after WWII was over.
In the end, the TNG gave the people a government they did not want. Nothing was saved, but everything was destroyed. You cannot complain about the current state of Somalia and the amount of foreign powers meddling in our internal politics, and then justify the destruction of the only native, independent form of government based on the rule of law.
To cite:
The vast majority of real progress should be attributed to the ICU. It was them who drove out the warlords, created law and order, social programs and established safety in Somalia from Af Madow to Hobyo. They laid down the first building blocks to restore the country. What other movement had the support of so many Somalis, at it heights even voluunters from the north who still had a soft spot for unionism joined in.
AY was able to channel international recognition and aid to the TFG and successfully denied the legitimacy of the ICU as a successor government since the fall of '91.
Do not forgot, that the TFG which turned into the SFG, has a factional lineage of former warlords.
There is a reason why the moment you go south from Puntland, the romanticized stories of AY immediately stop and memories of the ICU are remembered with nostalgia. It's not even a tribalistic thing, as the fondness for the ICU stretches along all major clans of the south.
The failure of the Federal Government can be attributed to its lack of collaboration involving all stakeholders. Instead, it was concocted by a small group without considering the desires of the diverse populace across this vast land.
"...the leadership [of the ICU was often referred to as jihadist, extremist, and at times terrorist by some observers without much evidence to support the allegations. For example, the assessment of the Islamic Courts by U.S. officials was that less than 5% of the Islamic Courts leadership can be considered extremist, according to a senior State Department official."
Some of the achievements:
That it is afwul, because the ICU was not a Hawiye project, but one which success is owed by all the clans in the south coming together to end the anarachy of clan violence. It's is dimisnishing the value of the many non-hawiye judges and other functionaris that played a pivotal role. The fact is, that all in the south the ICU is still loved by everyone.
The ICU governed a rump state, and had we lived to see them incorporate Puntland, Somaliland, and SSC, its leadership composition would have likely adapted to see it have a demographic more inline with the totality of the country. Te ICU at is core was a consent-based clan coalition based on islamic law. It was for more decentralized than people give it credit for, because of the faith put into judges to govern. The anti-tribal nature meant that they would send judges to govern over lands where their clans were not a part of the population to combat clan based favoritism, and .5 emancipation was an important cornerstone of their legitimacy.
Yusuf himself regretted the invasion of southern Somalia and the forceful incursion after the fact. If he himself could see how disastrous the meddling was, there is no need to dogmatically defend one of the biggest mistakes in modern Somali history. But people live by the mantra of "My clan can do no wrong."
It reminds me of that Japanese soldier who kept fighting 27 years after WWII was over.
In the end, the TNG gave the people a government they did not want. Nothing was saved, but everything was destroyed. You cannot complain about the current state of Somalia and the amount of foreign powers meddling in our internal politics, and then justify the destruction of the only native, independent form of government based on the rule of law.
To cite:
The vast majority of real progress should be attributed to the ICU. It was them who drove out the warlords, created law and order, social programs and established safety in Somalia from Af Madow to Hobyo. They laid down the first building blocks to restore the country. What other movement had the support of so many Somalis, at it heights even voluunters from the north who still had a soft spot for unionism joined in.
AY was able to channel international recognition and aid to the TFG and successfully denied the legitimacy of the ICU as a successor government since the fall of '91.
Do not forgot, that the TFG which turned into the SFG, has a factional lineage of former warlords.
There is a reason why the moment you go south from Puntland, the romanticized stories of AY immediately stop and memories of the ICU are remembered with nostalgia. It's not even a tribalistic thing, as the fondness for the ICU stretches along all major clans of the south.
The failure of the Federal Government can be attributed to its lack of collaboration involving all stakeholders. Instead, it was concocted by a small group without considering the desires of the diverse populace across this vast land.
"...the leadership [of the ICU was often referred to as jihadist, extremist, and at times terrorist by some observers without much evidence to support the allegations. For example, the assessment of the Islamic Courts by U.S. officials was that less than 5% of the Islamic Courts leadership can be considered extremist, according to a senior State Department official."
Some of the achievements:
- Revived defunct police stations , deploying nearly 600 personnel and dozens of vehicles to enhance law enforcement.
- Implemented a ban on open possession of firearms unless registered with a court, leading to a decrease in banditry and improved security.
- Established travel visa issuance, attracting investors and former refugees back to Somalia.
- Restored proper ownership of land and homes lost during the civil war through specialized Sharia courts.
- Created a coast guard and conducted aggressive anti-piracy operations, leading to the cessation of pirate activities in ICU held territory.
- Successfully recaptured a hijacked ship after a battle with pirates, showcasing their commitment to maritime security.
- Offered community reintegration programs to former militiamen.
- Introduced formal military and police training to enhance the professionalism of court forces.
- Founded clinics and schools, increasing school attendance, particularly among girls.
- Organized clean-up campaigns, clearing war debris and rubbish from the streets after a decade.
- Enacted bans on wildlife and charcoal exports to curb deforestation.
- Condemned discrimination against "oppressed clans" and promoted impartial legal proceedings.
- Addressed issues like theft and extortion, fostering a favorable environment for trade.
- Eliminated militia checkpoints on vital transport routes, reducing transportation costs and promoting land trade.
- Improved traffic flow by regulating traffic and dismantling roadblocks, leading to lower prices of goods.
- Reopened Mogadishu International Airport and historic seaport, revitalizing the region's economic infrastructure.
That it is afwul, because the ICU was not a Hawiye project, but one which success is owed by all the clans in the south coming together to end the anarachy of clan violence. It's is dimisnishing the value of the many non-hawiye judges and other functionaris that played a pivotal role. The fact is, that all in the south the ICU is still loved by everyone.
The ICU governed a rump state, and had we lived to see them incorporate Puntland, Somaliland, and SSC, its leadership composition would have likely adapted to see it have a demographic more inline with the totality of the country. Te ICU at is core was a consent-based clan coalition based on islamic law. It was for more decentralized than people give it credit for, because of the faith put into judges to govern. The anti-tribal nature meant that they would send judges to govern over lands where their clans were not a part of the population to combat clan based favoritism, and .5 emancipation was an important cornerstone of their legitimacy.
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UIC introduced religion into Somali politics. The damage from that alone is enough to discredit anything they did.
The big mistake was Hawiye bringing religion into the political arena not A/Y relying on Ethiopia and US for military support. One is irresolvable while the other is temporary.
Hawiye/UIC poisoned Somali politics for decades to come.
Weird statement, pre-colonial history had religion as forefront in the Somali structure. Barre’s regime also poliyici aswell, as in deeply against the clergy and outright denying hadith and quranic passages. Islam has always played a role in Somali society.
Islam is the most political religion in the world and has the most detailed blue print om how Islamic society aught to organise itself. Somalia is an islamic country, nothing wrong with wanting or talking about a state structure that is more inline with vision. Did you forgot that Prophet Mohammed SAW and the companions governed?
Only semblance of normalcy was achieved by religion constraining the state. Islam and Islamic history is deeply political.
Nothing wrong with religion, only implementation, and on that front the ICU did tremendously well.
He did it to humiliate and dominate the Hawiye. What else?
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