I’m only interested in that HDI part about waqooyi galbeed. I need receipts my nigga. The rest put me to sleep tbh. Post the receipts here if you have them.
Why I Now Support Somaliland Independence/Ictiraaf
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It’s from 2022 report of Somalia’s HDI by regions
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Disagree with any form of Somaliland independence because it threatens all of Somalia. Self-autonomy or a Hong Kong style power sharing would be the ideal scenario that doesn't involve balkanizing Somalia. They don't have to worry about Mogadishu ordering them around and Somalia stays together, its a win win.
Chaseyourdreamzz
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Interesting perspective from @berberaboy66 but remember the political duopoly in Somalia doesn’t benefit everybody that’s from those two clans
The duopoly was just the honeymoon phase while the IC were getting everyone back in the circus. It will become a natural monopoly because Darood are no different from Isaaq really, just a peripheral clan.
So your grievance is unfair political representation?! Why don't you just say that instead of declaring a secession from the country?! You're one phone call away from achieving your dream of being a top dog.
Isaaq: Hello Somalis, How are y'all doing?
Somalis: We're fine Mr Isaaq. What about you?!
Isaaq: I'm doing good. Let me be the top dog and I will join the party.
Somalis: What post do you want?! The PM or the president?!
That's not so hard at all.
As your from PL, are u sending SL intentionally into a potential south Sudan outcome when u know fully well the HA and HY situation stretching for 30 years which only changed dimension from civil war to cold war status. So u can do a land grab later as all the ppl flee on the first day of independence?
When you know deep down the social fragility there is it thru xasidnimo or do u fear they also might do a Plan B if secession isn't possible and hawiye realize centralism isn't possible and work on Plan B irir samale colonial border federation all being managed by Djibouti who itself doesn't believe in it but sees it can hold Somalia down into conflict while Djibouti can survive and thrive and not be overlooked by a Stronger Somalia or lead to a uprising revolt in Djibouti to depose that IOG.
I don't know what angle your working from and heck I expect u to respond I have no angle or intention but genuine good will which as we know is very minimal in politics.
YOU DO UNDERSTAND TAIWAN DOESN'T CLAIM TO BE A COUNTRY. IT IS NAMED THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA (ROC/TAIWAN). AS IN THE REAL GOVERNEMNT OF CHINA. NOT A NEW NATION NOR HAVE THEY EVER TRIED TO SUCEDE. THEY CLAIM MORE LAND THAN THE COMMUNIST GOVERNEMNT THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA (PRC/China) SINCE THAT IS LAND THEY HAD WHEN THEY WERE KICKED OUT OF CONTROL.
Had to use caps since I see this silly claim every where. Research the history of the KMT and Mao Zedong.
Kuomintang - Wikipedia
Discussions on whether or not Somaliland deserves to become independent aside, Somaliland recognition was never realistic to begin tbh. Aside from the fact that they no longer fully control the territory they claim, colonial borders are pretty much sacred. The 1964 Cairo declaration affirmed that the territorial integrity of all African countries are to be respected and maintained, and Its obvious why that is the case. Because many African countries have their own secessionist movements so everyone agrees to keep the peace by not supporting or recognizing other movements. Somaliland therefore isn't really special in that regard and recognition would involve opening a pandora's box that no one would dare try. I mean even Ethiopia is aware of that, all the claims of them recognizing SL through the MoU only comes from Somaliland and not from Ethiopia. Its a charade that hides their true intentions.
Before anyone mentions South Sudan and Eritrea, yes I know they broke away and formed their own countries but they are the exceptions to the rule and for a number of good reasons. Both countries were ethnically and culturally different from Sudan and Ethiopia, both countries spent the better part of 30-50 years fighting for independence sacrificing hundreds of thousands to millions of lives and both countries managed to get Sudan and Ethiopia to accept a UN held referendum for independence. Last point is very important since unilateral recognition is extremely unpopular. You only need to ask yourselves why Somaliland was ignored by the IC during the 90s and 2000s and you will understand why.
This is why the collapse of Somalia was so unfortunate for Somaliland ironically enough. No government in Mogadishu to negotiate with to hold referendums so it became stuck in political limbo. Silaayno really should have tried his hardest to convince Mogadishu in 2012 but alas here we are. Somaliland perhaps could have taken the Taiwan route instead and focus on development and carve their own niche to attract other nations.
Before anyone mentions South Sudan and Eritrea, yes I know they broke away and formed their own countries but they are the exceptions to the rule and for a number of good reasons. Both countries were ethnically and culturally different from Sudan and Ethiopia, both countries spent the better part of 30-50 years fighting for independence sacrificing hundreds of thousands to millions of lives and both countries managed to get Sudan and Ethiopia to accept a UN held referendum for independence. Last point is very important since unilateral recognition is extremely unpopular. You only need to ask yourselves why Somaliland was ignored by the IC during the 90s and 2000s and you will understand why.
This is why the collapse of Somalia was so unfortunate for Somaliland ironically enough. No government in Mogadishu to negotiate with to hold referendums so it became stuck in political limbo. Silaayno really should have tried his hardest to convince Mogadishu in 2012 but alas here we are. Somaliland perhaps could have taken the Taiwan route instead and focus on development and carve their own niche to attract other nations.
The current constitution of ROC (Taiwan) was adopted in 1946 and KMT were the main party for majority of their history but the current coalition government (the green coalition) have a different aspirations as they support the independence of Taiwan as a country.YOU DO UNDERSTAND TAIWAN DOESN'T CLAIM TO BE A COUNTRY. IT IS NAMED THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA (ROC/TAIWAN). AS IN THE REAL GOVERNEMNT OF CHINA. NOT A NEW NATION NOR HAVE THEY EVER TRIED TO SUCEDE. THEY CLAIM MORE LAND THAN THE COMMUNIST GOVERNEMNT THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA (PRC/China) SINCE THAT IS LAND THEY HAD WHEN THEY WERE KICKED OUT OF CONTROL.
Had to use caps since I see this silly claim every where. Research the history of the KMT and Mao Zedong.
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The current DPP is more into tawian nationalism, but until they drop the claim of china and move on, my point still stands. Elections/military/economy aside, they arent seeking independence like Somaliland. If they were and the world ignored, then you may have a point.
When they removed ROC from the passports a few years back and started printing Taiwan in big letters, it was a move in that direction.
On Taiwan’s New Passport, the Incredible Shrinking ‘Republic of China’ (Published 2021)
Officials said the redesign was an attempt to disassociate Taiwanese citizens from those on the mainland, who faced travel restrictions amid the pandemic.
It’s not 1990s anymore everyone has their own base and they aren’t willing to move off of it. 3 is 1 too many and for us to be rewarded others have to be penalized. You’d think they would accept that?
Secession is better than being third choice. We are also about 18 months away from seeing if secession is better than being second choice too @Itsnotthateasy
If second place was close to first place, like it might be a discussion. For example if they had shared the air-traffic control between Somaliland and Somalia I might believe there was a second place that was valuable but really second place is very close to third place, almost no difference.
Chaseyourdreamzz
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I am well aware unfortunately
Why I dont support this states idea of somalia, including puntland. Although you have a choice saying to not support sland since youre xaasid, but you have forgot that your entire position relies on xassidnimo and greed.
Sland will never be a country is apart of somalia, Now you have sheegatos and possible nuts rallying behind the puntland first movement and causing this artificial wave.
Seperatism is absolutely not the way to go,
What type of extermination went on you are talking as if this was a full blown g*nocide when it was not at all.
Your survival plan is pure idiocy and is not necessary, seperatism is not the right thing to do just setting your self up to be a weaker failed state. It wasnt much long ago that Lascaanod was a 'non-negotiable' awdal will go and sland as well as pland will be split up.
Sland will never be a country is apart of somalia, Now you have sheegatos and possible nuts rallying behind the puntland first movement and causing this artificial wave.
Seperatism is absolutely not the way to go,
1980s is when something changed, when foreigners started funding rebel groups in the north to go against somalia.
What type of extermination went on you are talking as if this was a full blown g*nocide when it was not at all.
Your survival plan is pure idiocy and is not necessary, seperatism is not the right thing to do just setting your self up to be a weaker failed state. It wasnt much long ago that Lascaanod was a 'non-negotiable' awdal will go and sland as well as pland will be split up.
Its like the asphalt road drone videos has made you few delusional.
You are incredibly naive.
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