Why is a women cheating on her husband worse than a man cheating on his wife?

[Angelina]

Nope, the only time a male will get an STD is if he sleeps with a women who is promiscous, a man sleeping with a normal women will never give him and STD.

Probably the most dumbest point you made here. A woman can only get STIs though a promiscuous man as well. That is how women who are cheated on get STIs.

Example, a famous case of a Somali man getting HIV was through a divorced 2nd wife who got HIV unknowingly though her husband who cheated in South Africa. The source is here ex husband who had unprotected sex with South African women. The sexual history of those women is irrelevant because the facts are he cheated and he is the one that spread it to his halal ex wife and she in turned spread it to her halal husband. All because of a cheating man.

Also, cheating men do not filter for ‘good women’ per say. Men give women STI’s everyday though cheating. You didn’t dismiss anything with that point. Many women are infertile due to their partners cheating.

also this isn't just about diseases here, its about the actual fact that it is disgusting to anyone to have 2 man having sex with one women and mixing their fluids together, a women cannot clean here private part as well as a man, so a man cheating is not going to be as disgusting since he can clean himself easily

It’s disgusting for A man as well since a man cleaning himself doesn’t get rid of diseases The fact that a man cleaning himself doesn’t prevent him from getting a disease if he sleeps with an infected woman should tell you enough.

You seem to be ignoring the fact you used the fitraa argument to say incest is more wrong than zina with a stranger yet when I present to you an argument from the fitra perspective as to why cheating is worse for women you dismiss the entire fitraa argument.

Your fitnah argument doesn’t hold up since men and women cheat for different reasons. A woman that is sex starved by her husband, a woman that is not in love with her husband and the list goes on. To think that such women do not have temptations is where you go wrong. You’re denying that many women in their marriages are married to man with low sex drives or who simply don’t sleep with them.

Stop picking and choosing what you want.

As I said before we do not have ahaadeeeth on everything in the religion, there are so many things that we don't know and can deduce from observation and collection of evidence. We do not have extensive lists of what is more evil than the other.

Your deduction still doesn’t hold up and it’s very much your own personal opinion.

An example like I gave a million times is lesbianism, we have no ahaadeeth on that, noone is going to tell me lesbianism is fine in Islam now or not a severe crime

What trap? Ahaadeeth are not an extensive list of all evil and good, you know that right.
Tell me hadith on lesbianism? you can't. tell me how bad it is. from ahaadeeth. you can't.

Does that mean lesbianism isn't a severe sin now?
The prophet sallallahu alayhi wasalam could have easily mentioned it, why didn't he?

you’re waffling now. Lesbianism might not have been mentioned and but guess what? The punishment for heterosexual Zina has been mentioned as it is the exact same for women and men. ThAt is enough to dismiss whatever you’re tAlking about.

You’re comparing something that hasn’t been mentioned to something that has.

Also adding onto that point, not everything the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasalam spoke was memorised. so we don't have all ahaadeeth about every matter


Worldy consequences actually account for a bigger sin, the more harmful and great the wordly consequences the worse your sin is in the sight of Allah. Did you not know that?

If that is the case why isn’t the Wordly punishment for women’s Zina greater then? Surely the fact that is it worse would be acknowledged in the Sharia? LOL.

It is more agaisnt a womens fitraa to cheat on her husband than for a man to cheat on his wife.
The negative consequences of a women cheating is also worse.

Saxib, men and women cheat for different reasons. Yes, are men more polygamous in nature? Yes. But we could argue that it is worse for men because Allah actually gave them halal alternatives, BUT they still cheated.

Actually no, you need to study fiqh, the punishment for lesbianism isn't the same as gay. as I said I need to teach you some stuff. Read this article for a start

Thanks read it. Yep, the punishment for lesbianism wasn’t mentioned but there is Hadith in which the Prophet s.a.w says it’s Zina though.

The punishment for women committing Zina is the exact same as that of men and it has been mentioned.

Khalaas, that completely ruins your point.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/21058/the-punishment-for-lesbianism

There isn't a dunya punishment but there is an akhirah punishment

Ok so as I said before, a women cheating on her husband is more agaisnt the fitra for a women than a man, just because a women desires another man, doesn't mean it isn't agaisnt the fitra,

If a woman isn’t having her needs fulfilled, doesn’t love her husband or isn’t being treated right, then desiring another man isn’t against the fitrah. That so why women mostly cheat, but a good woman will divorce her man and then try and find herself a man upon getting a divorce. But the desire to find someone else is still there.

also the negative effects of her cheating, is much worse. There is a reason why a mans sexual desire is more emphasised in Islamic texts than a womens.

Women also have desires mate. Cut it out.

Even if women has the same wisdom and sexual desire as a man and same fear of Allah(which is rare, women usually have way better control than men)

It isn’t rare on an individual level. A lot of women actually have higher sex drives than their husbands.

Women tend to have better Haya, you’re right about that. Also, the way society normalized Zina for women or makes it seem that men are animals that can’t control themselves is what increases men’s lack of control.

It is still more agaisnt a womens fitra, to cheat on her husband, than for a man to cheat on his wife, the negative consequences of her cheating, are also more negative than a man cheating on his wife.
that is my point, everything I said makes sense, if you think properly about it.

 

[jemappelle]

That is how women who are cheated on get STIs.

no it isn't they get them from a man who sleeps with promiscous women. If a man only sleeps with chaste women, he will never get an STI.

her husband who cheated in South Africa

Yh and her husband cheated on her with someone who was promiscous

All because of a cheating man.

yes because he had sex with a promiscous women

It’s disgusting for A man as well since a man cleaning himself doesn’t get rid of diseases The fact that a man cleaning himself doesn’t prevent him from getting a disease if he sleeps with an infected woman should tell you enough.

A women is just as likely to get a disease from a man if she cheats, but there is an added layer to it, which is the fact 2 men are sleeping with one women and it is disgusting to a man and everyone to have 2 men sleeping with the same women, it is uncleanly and disgusting

Your fitnah argument doesn’t hold up since men and women cheat for different reasons. A woman that is sex starved by her husband, a woman that is not in love with her husband and the list goes on. To think that such women do not have temptations is where you go wrong. You’re denying that many women in their marriages are married to man with low sex drives or who simply don’t sleep with them.

It doesn't even matter why the women cheats because it is still agaisnt her fitra to cheat on her husband regardless.

The punishment for heterosexual Zina has been mentioned as it is the exact same for women and men.

only as a a hadd punishment, not an akhirah punishment

If that is the case why isn’t the Wordly punishment for women’s Zina greater then? Surely the fact that is it worse would be acknowledged in the Sharia? LOL.

It actuality wouldn't as I have mentioned before, hadd punishments do not deal with differing degrees of sin, the hadd punishment for an old man commiting zina is the same as a young man, the hadd punishment for a man commiting zina with his neighbours wife is the same as a man commiting zina with a strange women, the hadd punishment for incest is the same as normal zina
but we all know they are of differing degrees of severity

Saxib, men and women cheat for different reasons. Yes, are men more polygamous in nature? Yes. But we could argue that it is worse for men because Allah actually gave them halal alternatives, BUT they still cheated.

No because 99.9% of men can't marry another wife due to the fact they cannot give both wifes their rights, their first wife will divorce them and the family will break up.
So 99.9% of men have no halal alternatives.

Thanks read it. Yep, the punishment for lesbianism wasn’t mentioned but there is Hadith in which the Prophet s.a.w says it’s Zina though.

The punishment for women committing Zina is the exact same as that of men and it has been mentioned.

Khalaas, that completely ruins your point.

Ummm
Do you have comprehension issues?
This hadeeth was narrated by al-Bayhaqi from Abu Moosa (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a man has sexual relations with another man, they are both guilty of zina, and if a woman has sexual relations with another woman they are both guilty of zina.”

This hadeeth is da’eef (weak); it was classed as da’eef by al-Albaani in Da’eef al-Jaami’, 282.

The hadeeth is weak, cannot be used as evidence

Its isnaad includes Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan whom Abu Haatim described as kaadhib (a liar). Al-Bayhaqi said: I do not know him. So the hadeeth is munkar (rejected) with this isnaad. End quote.
Some scholars say it isn't even weak, it is even worse, it is a rejected hadeeth

the article literally says
It says in Tuhfat al-Muhtaaj, 9/105:

There is no hadd punishment for a woman who has sexual relations with another woman, rather they should be punished with a ta’zeer punishment.

So either we are reading different articels or you are being intentionally dishonest

Punishmnet for lesbianism is ta'zeer punishment
Punishment for homosexuality is stoning to death
not the same

If a woman isn’t having her needs fulfilled, doesn’t love her husband or isn’t being treated right, then desiring another man isn’t against the fitrah. That so why women mostly cheat, but a good woman will divorce her man and then try and find herself a man upon getting a divorce. But the desire to find someone else is still there.

The reason it is agaisnt her fitra more is because she is married to her husband and therefore for her to cheat on him is a much bigger violation in her fitra than for a man to cheat on his wife.

Women also have desires mate. Cut it out.

And..
WHy is a mans sexual needs mentioned so many times in ahaadeeth compared to women, because 90% of the time men have a more higher sex drive than women and it is alot more important to them.

It isn’t rare on an individual level. A lot of women actually have higher sex drives than their husbands.

taht makes no sense, rare is talking about a group of people, individual is a different measurement. Sure a very rare amount of women will have higher sex drives than there husbands, but them cheating on their husbands is still more agaisnt the fitra due to the fact they are a women


Also you forgot to mention the other points I made
Insaab, which is oppression and Allah hates that, mixing lineage is one of the worst things
The man has more gheerah and so do a womens family members, so it is more shameful for a women to commit zina when cheating than a man.
The disrespect to the husband, being ungrateful for all that he has provided her
staining the reputation of her husband

 

[jemappelle]

 

[Angelina]

no it isn't they get them from a man who sleeps with promiscous women. If a man only sleeps with chaste women, he will never get an STI.

Lol and it’s the same for a woman. It’s why gals get tested all the time. Come on, you’re not making sense here.

Yh and her husband cheated on her with someone who was promiscous


yes because he had sex with a promiscous women

A women is just as likely to get a disease from a man if she cheats, but there is an added layer to it, which is the fact 2 men are sleeping with one women and it is disgusting to a man and everyone to have 2 men sleeping with the same women, it is uncleanly and disgusting

I know that, that is why polygamy is allowed for men and not for women. But we’re talking about Zina which is disobeying Allah.

It doesn't even matter why the women cheats because it is still agaisnt her fitra to cheat on her husband regardless.


only as a a hadd punishment, not an akhirah punishment


It actuality wouldn't as I have mentioned before, hadd punishments do not deal with differing degrees of sin, the hadd punishment for an old man commiting zina is the same as a young man, the hadd punishment for a man commiting zina with his neighbours wife is the same as a man commiting zina with a strange women, the hadd punishment for incest is the same as normal zina
but we all know they are of differing degrees of severity

Yet, we’re told that a man committing Zina with a neighbors wife is worse, we’re told that a old man committing Zina is worse, but no mention of how it’s worse a woman.

No because 99.9% of men can't marry another wife due to the fact they cannot give both wifes their rights, their first wife will divorce them and the family will break up.
So 99.9% of men have no halal alternatives.

Lol, they do. If their wives aren’t satisfying them, they can talaq on the spot and get a new one. Can a woman do that if her husband isn’t satisfying her? Also, polygamy is rife in the Somali community. They do it behind their wives back all the time and some of them are broke. So what are you on about. Also, Islam gives men that alternative. We’re not talking about todays modern society. In fact in the past men even had access to concubinage. So they literally had all of those alternatives, yet you wan to behave as though it’s hard for men?!

Ummm
Do you have comprehension issues?
This hadeeth was narrated by al-Bayhaqi from Abu Moosa (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a man has sexual relations with another man, they are both guilty of zina, and if a woman has sexual relations with another woman they are both guilty of zina.”

This hadeeth is da’eef (weak); it was classed as da’eef by al-Albaani in Da’eef al-Jaami’, 282.

The hadeeth is weak, cannot be used as evidence

Its isnaad includes Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan whom Abu Haatim described as kaadhib (a liar). Al-Bayhaqi said: I do not know him. So the hadeeth is munkar (rejected) with this isnaad. End quote.
Some scholars say it isn't even weak, it is even worse, it is a rejected hadeeth

the article literally says
It says in Tuhfat al-Muhtaaj, 9/105:

There is no hadd punishment for a woman who has sexual relations with another woman, rather they should be punished with a ta’zeer punishment.

So either we are reading different articels or you are being intentionally dishonest

Punishmnet for lesbianism is ta'zeer punishment
Punishment for homosexuality is stoning to death
not the same

Well, we don’t have actual Hadiths about lesbianism, but guess what? We do have actual Hadiths about Zina for both men and women along with Ayahs. So what’s your point. You’re trying to add something to the deen Allah and the prophet s.a.w never said. Stick with the facts.

The reason it is agaisnt her fitra more is because she is married to her husband and therefore for her to cheat on him is a much bigger violation in her fitra than for a man to cheat on his wife.

I said men and women cheat for different reasons. Disobeying Allah if anything goes against our morals so all of these talks of fitrah is tiring.

if you don’t satisfy a woman and her husband does not treat her well. It is very easy her for cheat, unless she has morals. It is common human nature which is why Islam has strict rules for freemixing and if we look at gaal statistics the rates of cheating between men and women is nearly the same.

And..
WHy is a mans sexual needs mentioned so many times in ahaadeeth compared to women, because 90% of the time men have a more higher sex drive than women and it is alot more important to them.

Not necessarily. Male and females sexuality is different and they work differently, but on an individual bases women’s can most definitely be as high as mens especially in a secure healthy relationship.

taht makes no sense, rare is talking about a group of people, individual is a different measurement. Sure a very rare amount of women will have higher sex drives than there husbands, but them cheating on their husbands is still more agaisnt the fitra due to the fact they are a women

It isn’t rare for a woman to have a higher sex drive. It really isn’t whatsoever. Read this:

Sex Drive: How Do Men and Women Compare?

Experts discuss the differences between male sex drive and female sex drive.

www.webmd.com

Also you forgot to mention the other points I made
Insaab, which is oppression and Allah hates that, mixing lineage is one of the worst things
The man has more gheerah and so do a womens family members, so it is more shameful for a women to commit zina when cheating than a man.
The disrespect to the husband, being ungrateful for all that he has provided her
staining the reputation of her husband

Lol, this conversation isn’t going anywhere. I don’t believe it’s any different in the sight of Allah and you have 0 proof if Allah will punish women more.

The end.

 

[jemappelle]

Lol and it’s the same for a woman. It’s why gals get tested all the time. Come on, you’re not making sense here.

No. Lets leave STDs out the situation
Just the act of 2 men having sex with the same women in the same time period is disgusting to the average person, it is agaisnt the fitra, whereas a man having sex with 2 women as nothing wrong with it.

Yet, we’re told that a man committing Zina with a neighbors wife is worse, we’re told that a old man committing Zina is worse, but no mention of how it’s worse a woman.

Again we aren't told about every single scenerio in ahaadeeth

They do it behind their wives back all the time and some of them are broke. So what are you on about.

They are all sinning by marrying another wife, because not only are the lying and decieving, but they are not giving rights to either of their wives, so Islamically what they are doing isn't even allowed anyway. Islamically they have to stay with one wife, your not allowed to marry another women unless you can give her all her rights.

In fact in the past men even had access to concubinage.

Well actually only some men had concubines, the vast majority of men never can concubines

yet you wan to behave as though it’s hard for men?!

It is hard for men, because concubinage is limited to the 1% of men, so is polygyny, therefore 99% of men are left in a situation where they have no alternative. Most men never marry a second wife anyway. and even if they do it is better than cheating. If a man cheats, 99.9% of the time he had no option to marry another wife. therefore your point doesn't stand

Well, we don’t have actual Hadiths about lesbianism, but guess what? We do have actual Hadiths about Zina for both men and women along with Ayahs. So what’s your point. You’re trying to add something to the deen Allah and the prophet s.a.w never said. Stick with the facts.

No what I am saying is we don't have ahadeeth on lesbainism yet we know it is a major sin and digsuting due to the fact we know it is agaisnt the fitra, and we also know that lesbianism and homosexuality have different punishments in the dunya and are of different severities despite them both being zina.
Which whows you that 2 different genders can have 2 differing severities of sin.

 

[jemappelle]

Lol and it’s the same for a woman. It’s why gals get tested all the time. Come on, you’re not making sense here.

I know that, that is why polygamy is allowed for men and not for women. But we’re talking about Zina which is disobeying Allah.

Yet, we’re told that a man committing Zina with a neighbors wife is worse, we’re told that a old man committing Zina is worse, but no mention of how it’s worse a woman.

Lol, they do. If their wives aren’t satisfying them, they can talaq on the spot and get a new one. Can a woman do that if her husband isn’t satisfying her? Also, polygamy is rife in the Somali community. They do it behind their wives back all the time and some of them are broke. So what are you on about. Also, Islam gives men that alternative. We’re not talking about todays modern society. In fact in the past men even had access to concubinage. So they literally had all of those alternatives, yet you wan to behave as though it’s hard for men?!

Well, we don’t have actual Hadiths about lesbianism, but guess what? We do have actual Hadiths about Zina for both men and women along with Ayahs. So what’s your point. You’re trying to add something to the deen Allah and the prophet s.a.w never said. Stick with the facts.

I said men and women cheat for different reasons. Disobeying Allah if anything goes against our morals so all of these talks of fitrah is tiring.

if you don’t satisfy a woman and her husband does not treat her well. It is very easy her for cheat, unless she has morals. It is common human nature which is why Islam has strict rules for freemixing and if we look at gaal statistics the rates of cheating between men and women is nearly the same.


Not necessarily. Male and females sexuality is different and they work differently, but on an individual bases women’s can most definitely be as high as mens especially in a secure healthy relationship.

It isn’t rare for a woman to have a higher sex drive. It really isn’t whatsoever. Read this:

Sex Drive: How Do Men and Women Compare?

Experts discuss the differences between male sex drive and female sex drive.

www.webmd.com

Lol, this conversation isn’t going anywhere. I don’t believe it’s any different in the sight of Allah and you have 0 proof if Allah will punish women more.

The end.

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