Worst moment in History

[Three Moons]

If the Mahdist State had held on for another 5 years, they could have linked up with the Dervish State and build a grand Islamic Kooshtic Empire stretching from Meroe to Mogadishu.

This Sudanese kid looks like me as a kid but with wavy hair instead of curly. They are our lost Kooshtic brothers!

 

[Three Moons]

This would have been our fate had they come as much to us. On that note, why didn't Arabs migrate as much to the Somali peninsula considering how close we are? They've gone as far as the end of North Africa even invading Iberia

A Chinese manuscript depicts 8th century Somalia as a place with four major cities and home to an army with 200 thousand soldiers wearing armour. They didn’t want that smoke. Pre-Islamic Somalis were probably more hostile and unhinged than modern Somalis lol.

The Persian and Arab merchants, out of fear, traveled in large groups to Somalia with their goods, and were subjected to local traditions before they could trade.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

The Arabisation of Nubia is the single greatest Tragedy in history. 4 Millenia of civilisation gone. Replaced with "Afro Arabs" #PrayforSudan

Can only hope a future Somali state funds a takeover of some Nubian or Beja tribe that imposes its culture and tounge. Preferably Beja as its related to Somali.

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Arabisation is one of the biggest tragedies of human history. Nubia is just one example. Countless cultures across the Middle East and North Africa have been wiped out, forever. Their native people don’t remember any of their native traditions or customs before the Arabs arrived.

So many diverse languages, ethnicities and civilisations have been turned into dust and forgotten across the Middle East thanks to arabisation. Their languages replaced by Arabic, their names replaced by Arabic, their clothes and traditions replaced with Arabic equivalents. All that rich history and culture which made them unique is gone.

The only thing that survived arabisation is some ancient ruins and texts.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

I think the j is native to Sudan, there no way arab could spread that much and populate that fast, sad seeing beja get xoog like that

Their language is a minority among their own people, it’s a tragedy.

 

[Internet Nomad]

A Chinese manuscript depicts 8th century Somalia as a place with four major cities and home to an army with 200 thousand soldiers wearing armour. They didn’t want that smoke. Pre-Islamic Somalis were probably more hostile and unhinged than modern Somalis lol.

The Persian and Arab merchants, out of fear, traveled in large groups to Somalia with their goods, and were subjected to local traditions before they could trade.

The wouldn’t f*ck with us we had magical powers that could stop ships.

There are many sorcerers among them who are able to change themselves into birds, beasts, or aquatic animals, and by these means keep the ignorant people in a state of terror. If some of them, in trading with some foreign ship, have a quarrel, the sorcerers pronounce a charm over the ship, so that it can neither go forward nor backward, and they only release the ship when it has settled the dispute. The government has formally forbidden this practice.

 

[Khaem]

Those indhoyar man everything is mythical, they made myth story sound like, they tell u xia Dynasty exist and u look it up and its myth

Yeah they said first Chinese empire was Xia Dynsaty. They poured money into archeology but we still find nothing about it

 

[Kizaru]

This would have been our fate had they come as much to us. On that note, why didn't Arabs migrate as much to the Somali peninsula considering how close we are? They've gone as far as the end of North Africa even invading Iberia

we wouldve sent them packing

 

[Kizaru]

The Arabisation of Nubia is the single greatest Tragedy in history. 4 Millenia of civilisation gone. Replaced with "Afro Arabs" #PrayforSudan

Can only hope a future Somali state funds a takeover of some Nubian or Beja tribe that imposes its culture and tounge. Preferably Beja as its related to Somali.

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fr, turned what was once the greatest civilisation after the egyptians into a shithole. Now those halfbreeds are pushing out nubians iyo natives.

 

[Rayaale]

Link to the thread

I was on their reddit and they had a thread where they basically didn't know the native names of sites in the country before Arabic took over.

Imagine you lived on a land for thousands of years and the only name you know for it are arabic. They lost most their native personal names too. Sad shkt walahi.

Sudanese got the most Arab J haplogroup dna in North Africa as well but some Amazigh from Algeria is still seen as more Arab, sad walahi. Ancient civilisation gone down the drain.

 

[Rayaale]

This shit looks so majestic ngl it mogs anything in the horn African region that we know of.

If these are the people our ancestors split from then it must mean we have the same potential to have made great structures and cities.

We really need to have archeological work done.

The Brits stole and looted lots of ancient artifacts during colonialism.

 

[dal10]

Who cares thats what happens

 

[Khaem]

fr, turned what was once the greatest civilisation after the egyptians into a shithole. Now those halfbreeds are pushing out nubians iyo natives.

Truly a ttragedy walahi

Arabians are the only tribe there who are armed to the teeth, they wage war against any native sudanese tribe that doesn't assimilate to Arab culture and language.

 

[Alara]

Ironic that when the Muslims were out here xooging and defeating the Romans and Persians...the Nubians were the only ones to defeat them...TWICE.

Nubians would be in a much better position regardless of arabisation if it wasn't for that idiot populist failure Gamal Abdel Nasser who flooded the entirety of Lower Nubia to create the Aswan Dam...which in the end didn't even help Egypt as it's still an over-populated third world shithole to this day.

We could even find more evidence of Cushite/Nubian civilisation that predate Kerma and even Old Kingdom Egypt e.g the A group culture...but it's all now lost and sunken forever under Lake Nasser unlikely to be even excavated let alone studied.

I pray for our Nubians brothers & sisters wallahi...they have a big fitna awaiting them. Lost ancestral homelands, language is facing extinction and are trapped between two aggressive and discriminatory countries that want them to be assimilated and their rich culture, history and identity to be eradicated and lost forever.

 

[Juke]

But i do believe that least a considerable amount of J haplogroup does come from Bedouin Arab tribes settling in Arabia, they managed to take over Sudanese society by being the only Armed race in Sudan. Forcibly arabising and warring anyone who refused.

You made that up kkkk. They managed to take over because Nubians were matrilineal. The children of Nubian women and Bedouin men inherited everything in both societies leaving the opposite combination too destitute to thrive and proliferate.

 

[Khaem]

You made that up kkkk. They managed to take over because Nubians were matrilineal. The children of Nubian women and Bedouin men inherited everything in both societies leaving the opposite combination too destitute to thrive and proliferate.

That doesn't disprove anything I said? It's a fact Arabs invaded Sudanese and arabised tribes. Do you want an example? Look at darfur now, look at the wars against the South and ask any south sudos why they split off from the Arab ruled north.

 

[Alara]

Truly a ttragedy walahi

Arabians are the only tribe there who are armed to the teeth, they wage war against any native sudanese tribe that doesn't assimilate to Arab culture and language.

What they did to the Darfurians is truly saddening and disgusting.

Worst part the UAE is using the Arab elite to maintain politcal control and in exchange they smuggle resources like gold to their countries so that they can sell and then enrich themselves.

After doing all that, UAE are also looking to buy plots of agricultral land as Sudan also has the potential to be the bread-basket of the Arab world. Their greed is sickening wallahi.

Us and the Sudanis use to help them when they were nothing but gaajo broke bedouins but now Allah's blesses them with oil and prosperity...they instead destabilise and weaken our countries through terrorism instead of returning the favour now that we are the ones in the sorry position.

That goes to show you should never ever ever trust the Dhega Caas...they won't even help their own brothers in Gaza & Palestine let alone anybody else.

 

[Juke]

That doesn't disprove anything I said? It's a fact Arabs invaded Sudanese and arabised tribes. Do you want an example? Look at darfur now, look at the wars against the South and ask any south sudos why they split off from the Arab ruled north.

Show proof that Arabs were the only armed group in Sudan and Arabization was forced on unwilling natives.

 

[Khaem]

Show proof that Arabs were the only armed group in Sudan and Arabization was forced on unwilling natives.

Ask @Nilotic

Arab leaders signed the Baqt treaty with the Nubians to trade Black slaves in exchange for grains and spices. This formalized the Arabcentric ethnic order and, in turn, the separation of the region from Islamic Egypt, creating Bilad al-Sudan—“Land of the Black People.”

Byzantine, Greek and Arab cultures initially merged with Sudan’s syncretic African traditions and tribal customs, but little more than a millennium after the first Muslim foray into the region, it transformed into an Islamic realm, beginning with the foundation of the 16th century Ottoman-aligned Sultanate of Sennar. In 1820, Egyptian Khedive, Muhammad Ali Pasha, aiming to increase the supply of slaves to facilitate territorial expansion, undertook an expedition to complete the Ottoman control over Sudan. Egyptian, and then British, colonial rule arbitrarily delineated the boundaries of the Republic of the Sudan, which became an independent state in 1956.

The centuries-old rule of the Arab elite in Khartoum continued after independence and although ethnic, religious and economic ruptures led to a succession of coups, by the time Bashir usurped power in 1989, both internal and regional dynamics made the ground ripe for radical Islamization.

The National Islamic Front, led by Hassan al-Turabi, provided the ideological arsenal for Bashir’s military rule, officially declaring Sudan an Islamic state and fortifying the imposition of Sharia, which had been formally introduced under Jaafar Nimeiry in 1983 as part of Turabi’s push for enforcement of Islamic law. Indigenous cultures and dissenting beliefs were being erased, despite political fractures within Islamist groups. This was the final straw for the southern region, where the people predominantly adhered to traditional African religions and Christianity. They fought for separation and the creation of South Sudan.

The new nation became an independent state after six decades of brutalities and two full-blown civil wars in South Sudan. The gory playbook has continued to be repeated in Darfur over the past decade and the government has used chemical weapons.

The latest conflict has rekindled violence in the region. This latest spate of bloodshed has only reaffirmed that it is supremacist, bigoted narratives that need to be eradicated in order to bring Sudan out of its repeated cycles of turmoil.

Sudan remains institutionally racist, with Black people widely addressed as “slaves.” Islamist hegemony is maintained through grotesque Sharia penalties and the empowerment of the Islamic morality police. Islamist groups and leaders have facilitated war crimes by invoking Islamic theology. Despite the attempted overturning of Sharia punishments in 2020 for crimes of conscience, such as apostasy, Islamist inertia prevails in Sudan owing to the country’s continued adherence to totalitarian, discriminatory ideals.

Repeated attempts at democratization in Sudan have failed. Arab and Muslim supremacism has bred inequality and facilitated power plays such as those conducted by Burhan and Dagalo. Many local Arabs and Muslims have been victimized, too.

This volatility is also causing groups such as ISIS, al-Qaeda and Boko Haram to see the strategically important Sudan as the next staging-post for the growing jihadist network in Africa. Until Sudan creates a unified, egalitarian national identity, merging its many races, tribes, belief-systems and ideologies, its fault lines will remain explosive enough to facilitate more blood-spattered crises.

 

[Midas]

It's something I've never understood how did old nubian which became the court language of the nubian kingdoms in the 700s and was the court lanaguge for 700+ years somehow decline and become replaced by arabic . In the span of less than 200 years. That's almost a thosuand years of literature and administrative tradtion wiped out. In such a short span of time.

 

[Khaem]

What they did to the Darfurians is truly saddening and disgusting.

Worst part the UAE is using the Arab elite to maintain politcal control and in exchange they smuggle resources like gold to their countries so that they can sell and then enrich themselves.

After doing all that, UAE are also looking to buy plots of agricultral land as Sudan also has the potential to be the bread-basket of the Arab world. Their greed is sickening wallahi.

Us and the Sudanis use to help them when they were nothing but gaajo broke bedouins but now Allah's blesses them with oil and prosperity...they instead destabilise and weaken our countries through terrorism instead of returning the favour now that we are the ones in the sorry position.

That goes to show you should never ever ever trust the Dhega Caas...they won't even help their own brothers in Gaza & Palestine let alone anybody else.

Even Muslims in darfur are persecuted simple for being black nilo Saharan.

Sudan and Somalia sent ships of cattle among other things to feed the gaajo and thirty bedouins who suffered droughts every decade. Now they repay our kindness with interference and instigating conflict.