Then show us the proof
Xamar was established by nomads
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It's a legit source and the story is true as far as I am concerned. How can you differentiate myths from facts? How did you come to the conclusion that this story is a myth and not true? Were you present when Mogadishu was being founded to decide this story is a myth or do you have a better source detailing the story of the foundation of Mogadishu?
Garaad diinle
I was about to write that kkk. He sure sounds like waaqo of punt.
We don't need eye-witness accounts when our history has already been documented and preserved through manuscripts, the dynasties that ruled Muqdisho are known such as Fakhruddin Al Qassani, Hulwaani, Zuuzaani, Shirazi and Muzaffar. No mention of samaale by Ibn Batutta, you've got no form of evidence to prove samaale presence in Muqdisho wether it's through manuscripts, graves , settlements, masjids or foreign accounts.Here we go again. Ibn Batutta, who visited the city himself said that the ruler of Mogadishu was a Berberah who spoke a non-Arabic tongue, of the same stock as the people of Zeila. In his description of Zeila, he says that it is a "town of the Berberah, who are a negro people. Their land is a desert extending for two months' journey from Zayla to Maqdashaw." In case there is any doubt who the Berberah are, there is only one dark-skinned ethnic group that inhabits the lands between Zeila and Mogadishu, and it definitely isn't the Arabs.
This is a DIRECT eye-witness account saying that Mogadishu was ruled by non-Arabs. Meanwhile, there is NOT A SINLGE primary, first hand, eye-witness account saying that Mogadishu was EVER ruled by Arabs, NOT ONE. The census collected by the Italians, show that Gibil-madow tribes outnumber Gibil-cad Benadiris, and that cadcads only formed 20% of Mogadishu's population in the colonial period.
Gibil-Madow Benadiris
I saw recently that @Jacko made this post: Before Italians came to Mogadishu, it only consisted of 2 districts: Xamar Weyne (literally old Xamar) and Shangani, those neighbourhoods were almost entirely Benadiri or Arab. Italians planned and built the rest. Italian census for their...www.somalispot.com
But let me guess, I "failed to read these sources with a critical eye"Tell me the mistakes I made when I read these sources. Does "negro Berberah" actually mean "blonde Arab" in this context? Does what Ibn Battuta says contradict the "consensus of historians", thus making him incorrect. Give me the bullshit reason you cannot accept this unmistakeabley clear evidence I provided you.
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Italian census just proves that Gibil cad were majority and I already explained that here,
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...amic-burials-in-mogadishu.148549/post-3666502
No mention of samaale nomads establishing xamar in that book, xamar is older than samaale according to your own elders
No mention of samaale here, you're only contradicting yourself
Name the Bantu tribes then
Was established by Arabs particularly Ximyaris that is the consensus and what's agreed upon by reer xamars
That's not evidence, we have manuscripts for history of Marka which are sufficient, the earliest hawiyes are known and they all came post biimaal migration to south, they would be shukureere and juunji.
lol you guys don't have the manuscript
What manuscripts is he even talking about?
They were definitely Somalis which is all that matters and this is attested by the fact they named the place they settled a Somali name(Xamar weyne). This is all I care about. I'm not Samaale & I don't know where they live or when they were born.
يقول شريف عيدروس في كتابه عن تاريخ الصومال
حمروين مركب من كلمتين كلمة عربية، والأخرى لغة أهلا البلاد، وبها عمرت البلاد وسميت بحمروين
ما هي لغة أهل البلاد يا جويهل؟ الا ادا اهل البلاد يتكلمون لغة غير لغتهم هههه مما هو امر طريف
attash
Amaan Duule
How many times are you going to contradict yourself in the same thread?
Yes, the entire ruiling establishment of Zeila has always been Arab until the 19th century. I already gave you a breakdown of the ethnic composition of Zeila at the time of Ibn Battuta. He was not referring to Somalis. I showed you all the Arab tribes that historically ruled Zeila and Mogadishu.How many times are you going to contradict yourself in the same thread?
Why are you still running away? You didn't refute any of my points. Show me proof that Somalis founded Mogadishu and Zeila. Stop running away, hotep.
attash
Amaan Duule
Before I refute your points, I need to figure out what point you’re making lmao
. First you say that Zeila was an entirely Arab city. Then you say that Zeila was primarily settled by ethio-semites. Which one is it? You said that Zeila was ruled by the Sultan of Ifat, whom you said was an Arab. But the Sultan of Ifat was a part of the Walashma dynasty, which you said was Harla. You also said that the Sultanate of Ifat was led by Ethio-semites. Which one is it??? Which non-Somali group are you crediting with our accomplishments this time?Watching you trip over yourself to deny Somali history is the most hilarious thing I’ve seen all week.
Respect your ancestor
Xamarweyne name came way later on, after Xamar Jajab became destroyed. Historically it was just called Xamar
Typical response from an envious lamagoodle, don't blame me for your ancestors lack of preserving history
Stating Shit While showing Zero proof, very typical from you
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