Lool. Tell us what it is saying.
And as I told you I'm not Samaale and I don't care about him
Xamar was established by nomads
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And as I told you I'm not Samaale and I don't care about him
Thank you for sharing this very well-detailed and comprehensive analysis. Brother, I advise you not to further engage with the individual you responded to. He is deliberately trying to waste your time. Someone of your caliber shouldn't be interacting with him. He will just keep disregarding your sources with the intention of making you upset. He is desperately trying to bait you.
Imam Shafi once said, "If a fool speaks to you, do not answer him, for the best answer is silence. If you speak to him, you have delighted him. If you leave him, he nearly dies in anguish.” The individual you responded to has a poor cognitive system, which affects his ability to understand complex academic literature and analyze historical sources with a critical eye. Allah says the truth will prevail, and falsehood is bound to perish.
Unlike the manuscripts, those eyewitness accounts are literal primary sources, the same kind that Habarsteven12 cries about having. There should be no question as to which source is more important. Those manuscripts are just collections of oral tales done several hundred years after the middle ages. They haven't been carbon dated, have no real authenticity beyond "dude trust me". You can't even find an English translation of Ayrudus' manuscripts because they are so irrelevant. No scholar either Somali or Ajnabi have used these in any serious study of Somali history and the only reason you are shilling them is because its the only thing that agrees with your narrative.
Lmao, I caught you lying once about the meaning of Barbar you little mishling. Don't talk about truth.
Sounds like cope from an envious lamagoodle , Aydarus's works has been translated into English obviously not the whole book but you'll see many citing it along with his son's book aswell, either way foreigners citing his works or not doesn't concern us. Banadiri sources are sufficient for banadiri history, you can worry about trying to decipher your Chinese whispers oral history.
It says the area was named Xamarweyne after it had been built. There's a reason "Weyne" was added to it, because of xamar already existing. Likewise jajab was added to xamar jajab centuries after the area was left in ruins.
I use the sources of credible scholars like Cassanelli, Njoku, and Trimingham to prove my claims as well as other reputable sources like Cambridge. You use random unverified manuscripts. We are not the same. You can continue coping about your people faking their history.
Proof?
So what? How does this contradict my claim?
What reason is that and how do you know Xamar was already existing and weyne was added to the name "Xamar" after it had been settled for yers/centuries? You are inventing fake theories at the spot.
random shit he pulled out from his ass
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Amaan Duule
So manuscripts written hundreds of years after the fact are more reliable than a person recording what he saw with his own eyes? I don't understand what your obsession is with "reer samaale", I've already said it doesn't matter whether he was Samaale or not (by "Samaale", I assume you mean Maxaa tiri speakers), Ibn Battuta makes it very clear that he was from a Somali group. He said that the Sultan of Mogadishu was from a non Arab negro group that inhabited the lands between Zeila and Mogadishu, i.e. Somalis.
I brought you a direct first hand account of a person writing down what he saw with his own two eyes. If you are not convinced by this, I really don't know what to say to you at this point. Was Ibn Battuta hallucinating? Was he not able to tell the difference between a light skinned Arab and a dark skinned Somali? Was he not able to distinguish between Arabic and local Somali dialects? What is it?
Thank you for bringing sources, I will do further research into this topic.
are they still denying that when ibn Battuta was speaking of Berbera he was talking about Somalis??
ibn khaldun saying that somalis owned mogadishu, what more proof do u niggas need
Besides them one finds the Barbara, of which the poet Imru'u-l-Qays speaks in his verses. Islam is nowadays very extended among them. They have a town on the Indian ocean called Mogadishu, which is often visited by Muslim merchants.
Besides them one finds the Barbara, of which the poet Imru'u-l-Qays speaks in his verses. Islam is nowadays very extended among them. They have a town on the Indian ocean called Mogadishu, which is often visited by Muslim merchants.
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Amaan Duule
You're actually a very messed up person. You have been caught lying many times before, including in this thread where I exposed your contradictory claims over the ethnic composition of Zeila. And yet you chose to bring the diin into this and quote Imam Shafi'i AND the Quran itself!
Troll all you want to, but do not bring the diin into this. Do not cheapen the words of the ulama and do not cheapen Allah's word with your little games.
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Amaan Duule
Yes. They are so desperate that they denying direct eye-witness accounts. I have no words.
@HabarSteven12 is trying so hard to avoid me lol, he ran away from me 3 timesYes. They are so desperate that they denying direct eye-witness accounts. I have no words.
Zeila was a tributary of Mocha and administered by Arabs until Haji Sharmarke took control of the town in 1841.
it was an ottoman territory
Yeah Mocha was under the Ottomans
that doesn't mean Arab were ruling that part for a long time it was only when it was under ottoman control
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