”Somali ethnicity is fake”

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Whats with the emphasis on paternal lineage. When Somalis also trace descent through their maternal side via ''Bah'' and ''Habar'' . Your maternal side is never ignored or irrelevant it's an important connection.

And at the same time, someone is a Somali through not only their ancestry, but also culture, language and nationality.

Also even if someone is of mixed cultural background. They can be both, they are not mutually exclusive to each-other.



It's tragic thing , so many Somalis lost their land and property to thugs with guns and hooligans.

I remember hearing that during the outbreak of the civil war they would loot and take peoples properties and justify it by saying ''This is Siad Barre's property we are confiscating'' so initially it was just blind hatred towards him, almost like those rioters you see in the UK, Kenya shouting ''Ruto out'' in recent memories or the BLM protesters in Minneapolis some years back.

When the ICU took over, they started to reinstate people's properties back and land. I hope we can see this happen again. There are many abandoned building and houses believe it or not, so that's another potentiality we can encourage more to come back to.

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First bah means someone who share same mother and not father and and those share same mother dont take their mother name or tribe or clans
Second habar clans are named habar jeclo or habar yonis i think to honor their mother but still in order someone to be from those clans habar jonis or jeclo or awal they have to have the father's pater lineage not the mother maternal
You wrong
Non somalis that don't have somali paternal lineage aren't somali both islamic and somali culture and if they claim to be somali is it haram for them
Also language and nationality don't make non somalis a somalis also if they follow somali culture they have to accept they arent because in culture if someone doesn't have somali paternal lineage tru father tribe or clan they aren't somali

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Whats with the emphasis on paternal lineage. When Somalis also trace descent through their maternal side via ''Bah'' and ''Habar'' . Your maternal side is never ignored or irrelevant it's an important connection.

And at the same time, someone is a Somali through not only their ancestry, but also culture, language and nationality.

Also even if someone is of mixed cultural background. They can be both, they are not mutually exclusive to each-other.



It's tragic thing , so many Somalis lost their land and property to thugs with guns and hooligans.

I remember hearing that during the outbreak of the civil war they would loot and take peoples properties and justify it by saying ''This is Siad Barre's property we are confiscating'' so initially it was just blind hatred towards him, almost like those rioters you see in the UK, Kenya shouting ''Ruto out'' in recent memories or the BLM protesters in Minneapolis some years back.

When the ICU took over, they started to reinstate people's properties back and land. I hope we can see this happen again. There are many abandoned building and houses believe it or not, so that's another potentiality we can encourage more to come back to.

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I speak finnish language and hold finnish nationality and it doesn't make me finnish person so you wrong stop pushing this agenda

 

[Webb]

I speak finnish language and hold finnish nationality and it doesn't make me finnish person so you wrong stop pushing this agenda

Your mixed descendent in 6/7 centuries time will be a better comparison than you, a first generation immigrant.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

They’re descended from one mehri who lived a couple hundred years ago not a group of Arabs, and yes they have married into the people of the north east for generations. They’re Somalis in my book.

They are not somalis if they are not descent from somali paternal lineage

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Your mixed descendent in 6/7 centuries time will be a better comparison than you, a first generation immigrant.

What mixed descent what you mean by that

 

[Rayaale]

you’re seriously not comparing an carabsalax from mudug to some Swahili speaking barawa nigge mayn, ciyaarta naga daa bowe

Lol r/Somalia copies all the posts made on here alongside their generic marriage sob stories, those redditors cant think for themselves

The Japanese now have interest in Somali Politics

1000 politicians with swedish, norweigian and finnish citizenship. how much are we actually learning from these countries? do you think these guys will create the next saab or volvo? Nah we just get incompetent leaders, faulty government system and uncivilised uneducated fobs running the...

www.somalispot.com

Exactly they steal the content from here and post it over there

 

[Aseer]

Exactly they steal the content from here and post it over there

Uncreative and Sensitive

 

[olore]

tired topic why do u find interest in this

 

[The Oponian Guild]

What do you think of the Jaarso,Akisho,wardey

Wardey the jury is out on them, the rest are Somali.

 

[Ya.dhahay]

Wardey the jury is out on them, the rest are Somali.

Lol they’re all oromos who picked up somali language/culture

 

[Ya.dhahay]

Wardey the jury is out on them, the rest are Somali.

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[Xassan]

Let the thread die guys

 

[Idilinaa]

First bah means someone who share same mother and not father and and those share same mother dont take their mother name or tribe or clans
Second habar clans are named habar jeclo or habar yonis i think to honor their mother but still in order someone to be from those clans habar jonis or jeclo or awal they have to have the father's pater lineage not the mother maternal
You wrong
Non somalis that don't have somali paternal lineage aren't somali both islamic and somali culture and if they claim to be somali is it haram for them
Also language and nationality don't make non somalis a somalis also if they follow somali culture they have to accept they arent because in culture if someone doesn't have somali paternal lineage tru father tribe or clan they aren't somali

Bah means someone who's mom is from another clan. For example Bah Dir in Majerteen means someone who is born to a Dir Mother with a Majerteen father and Bah Yaqub means someone who is born to Warsangeli mother.

Habar is also similar to this.

Other examples

You can also see this among Reer xamar clans as well. You have them tied to and form apart of other Somali clans through their maternal side.

Other examples of matrilateral lineage via Raxanweyn.

I don't believe it's indicative of some matriarchal past or that type of speculation. But it shows that Somalis don't disregard their maternal descent and strictly view their kinship from their paternal side, both are important connections and points of origin.

The father name only takes precedent in so far he is tasked with providing for and protecting his offspring.

 

[Idilinaa]

It’s mostly Somalis in the diaspora who are obsessed with genetics and dna,the Somalis in East Africa don’t care about this kind of stuff

They think Somalis back in the days was fixating on features ,skin colour and hair iyo waxas.

Like seriously that they would determine if you were Somali based on skin colour or hair texture. and could tell right away who is mixed or not.

None of these things were important criterias to determine what community you belonged to.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

This is dangerous and you know it

Can I who was born and bred in Kyrgyzstan for 19 years claim I'm native?

They're not native to Somalia and there's nothing wrong with being vocal about that

Not to derail the thread, but do you actually live in Kyrgyzstan

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

First bah means someone who share same mother and not father and and those share same mother dont take their mother name or tribe or clans
Second habar clans are named habar jeclo or habar yonis i think to honor their mother but still in order someone to be from those clans habar jonis or jeclo or awal they have to have the father's pater lineage not the mother maternal
You wrong
Non somalis that don't have somali paternal lineage aren't somali both islamic and somali culture and if they claim to be somali is it haram for them
Also language and nationality don't make non somalis a somalis also if they follow somali culture they have to accept they arent because in culture if someone doesn't have somali paternal lineage tru father tribe or clan they aren't somali

True this is how I thought and this is what I was taught was bahgeri an ogaden sub was structured. Then also I think bah is meant for the younger sibling from the same father. Like if someone had another kid in their 70s they cant be the same as their siblings born 50 years before. The mother was also from gari. But something its not included in the abtirsi, you just skip past and go to next one Bahale

 

[Pearl of the Indian Ocean]

Not to derail the thread, but do you actually live in Kyrgyzstan

Yes

 

[Xassan]

Yes

 

[LilBang]

Yes

Nah I thought you live in the UK