You're avoiding addressing what you do with those big rats....
A SOMALI guy in the show "The Sopranos"
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You're avoiding addressing what you do with those big rats....
They were picked up by the arab merchants from South East Africa. How are you so illiterate when it comes to your own history?
LOOOOL is that the new argument…. We don’t know who the real Somalis are?!? « No group has exclusive ownership of the Somali name » Warya get out of here! Somalis are Somalis. If your Somali bantu than your Somali bantu…… nothing complicated by that…..
You have limited knowledge when it comes to knowing their history in Somalia. They've been in this land for thousands of years.
Some of the communities have been documented to be "Pre-Cushitic inhabitants".
This again. Niyahow, they were Cushitic people who were genetically and linguistically closely related to other Cushites in the Horn like Oromos, Afars, Sahos and Sidamas as well as Ethiosemitized Cushites like Amharas and Tigrays. Do you think such people would have looked like Bantus physically or genetically? Don't be absolutely ridiculous. These people are, not knocking them for this, the descendants of slaves from the interior of the Swahili coast who have been Somalized, even the ones who have been for a long time and show no more signs of Bantu languages like Mushunguli if you do reading on the works of scholars like Virgina Lulling. Somalis were importing Bantu slaves en masse in Koonfur since the late Middle Ages by the looks of it:
It still doesn't change the fact theyre non somali ethnically. And bantus have been in Somalia no more than 100 years. Them being in Somalia for thousands of years is a myth.
Did you see the piece of evidence that I've posted and do you understand its content? If you don't, then you need to quit wasting my time.
They speak the Somali Maxaad Tiri and Maay dialects fluently and have ancestral roots deep in Southern Somalia to all the way Somali region in Ethiopia.
Loooool your trying to claim Bantus lived in Somali Galbeed you might aswell add Djibouti with your reach!
I didn’t even know Somali bantu existed until a few years ago.
Mushungulis were Zingua speakers and were affected by the slave trade; however, J/areer/Weuyne as a whole had a presence in Southern Somalia since time memorial. Both Turton and Lewis who were authorities on Somali groups documented this fact.
Thiese are Ja/reer/weyne carrying out their traditional dances in Qalaafe, Somali region, Ethiopia.
Somali song about Qalaafe
These are just earlier Bantu groups who got fully Somalized as one buddy of mine rightly pointed out to me in an old conversation:
The whole "Shungwaya" thing about some Bantus originating in Koonfur is also fraudulent as he says. It got debunked more than once by scholars and even Neville Chittick who used to ardently support it began to disavow it. Even linguists focused on Bantu nowadays plainly seem to maintain that Koonfur was always basically Somaloid and that Bantu groups only had some presence once you got to around the mouth of the Jubba as medieval Arab geographers basically tell us, aside from splintering tiny groups like Bajunis and Chimwiinis (Barawe):
"Shungwaya" was documented by an Arab geographer. So disagreeing is one thing but debunking it?
Fatuuxal Habush was also documented by an Arab traveler. Nobody debunks it because it fits with our historical narratives. So why dispute "Shungwaya" if it is not based on denying any historical documents that show the presence of other groups in Southern Somalia whose presence predates that of the pastoralists?
This is the work of Al!med Dualel! Jama, a Somali archeologist, describing in his findings, "
The Origins and Development
of Mogadishu
AD 1000 to 1850
A study of urban growth along
the Benadir coast of southern Somali"
"Addressing the origins of this Swahili dialect in the Barawa of today,
Hersi (1977), writes that, towards the end of the fifteenth century, a new
. group of Arab retumees from Spain wandered up and down the East African
coast before finally settling in Barawa, and this, together with Barawa' s
strong trade ties with the south, may account for the Swahili linguistic ties.
Other scholars maintain that, the Swabili dialect called Chimini, spoken in
Barawa, indicates that, the original population was strong enough to resist
the influence of both Somali and Arabic. Oral traditions collected for this
research support the former position. For Mogadishu, some similar oral
traditions collected for the present project in 1990 indicate that, the building
of the early town started in two different places, called as Hamar wein and
Shangani. Linguistically, the word 'Hamar wein' is made up of two Arabic
and Somali words. In various folk tales, it is related that an Arab traveller,
together with his wife and riding on a lame she-camel, visited what is today
known as Hamar wein.
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Simultaneously, she shouted very loudly 'wein' meaning 'a lot of
gold'. Literally, Hamar (Ahmar) means 'red' and the Somali word wein
means 'much' or 'big'. Caniglia (1917) rejects the relationship between
Hamar' (' Amar') and the Arabic root Hmr, red (Chittick 1982, p. 48). In a
more conspicuous sense, the Amarani are people who are found in Barawa,
Merca, Mogadishu and Afgoi and are mostly traders and sailors; they speak a
Swahili dialect known as Hamarani (Chimbalazi). de Vere Allen, writes
Hamar as equivalent to 'Shungawaya' in the sense of mji, sacred settlement,
in which its Bantuised derivative, hamarani or amarani is still used (Allen
1984, p. 38)."
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So somalians have always been embarassing idiots even 8 years ago
Djokovic
Somali Arab
There’s Somalis in buffalo
Arab geographer? I don't mean to be insulting but you are outright lying if you claim that Shungwaya has been written about by any Arab geographers. Shungwaya is not found anywhere in any historical document outside of the 19th century like the 19th century Swahili one which, yes, has been debunked and found to be fraudulent by scholars. Look at the links I shared. Neville Chittick who used to be a proponent of its authenticity eventually disavowed it too:
The Shungwaya Myth of Miji Kenda Origins: A Problem of Late Nineteenth-Century
This challenge to standing interpretations of Miji Kenda history was my first publication; it has held up pretty well.
www.academia.edu
The Cambridge History of Africa
www.google.com
And you truly don't know what you're talking about if you think Bantus predate Cushitic pastoralists in even Kenya let alone Koonfur.
A chime in from my friend who saw this thread from elsewhere:
The very study he qoutes argues against Barawa being originally swahili and says the founding of it is by Tunni saint, Aw Barrow. The origin of Chmwini goes back to migrants wandering up and down the coast in the 15th century and it's trade connection to the swahili coast.
Concerning Barawa, there are convincing oral traditions which which give the credit for the foundation of Barawa to a Somali folk hero, named Ali Barrow, whose descendants received Arab immigrants at later times (Hersi
1977, pp. 91-2).
Other scholars maintain that, the Swabili dialect called Chimini, spoken in Barawa, indicates that, the original population was strong enough to resist the influence of both Somali and Arabic. Oral traditions collected for this
research support the former position.
This is all supported by the linguistic evidence shown by ''When Northern Swahili met southern
Somali'' .
Also zero Arab geographers ever mentioned Shungwayah.
Shungwayah is recorded by several different European writers in the 19th-20th century but they put it's location in different areas far from Jubba and Somali coast and the only source that attempts to put in Konfuur/Southern Somalia is the late 19th century text Kitab Al-Zunuj which was found fradulent. The idea that these Bantu groups come from a place called Shungwayah is a 20th century myth and which some modern writers try to derive connections from with no evidence supporting them wether it be archeological, linguistic or early documented traditions and accounts by explorers.
In contrast to their Miji Kenda informants, moreover, five of the nineteenth-century recorders-Krapf, Rebmann, Guillain, Burton, and Wakefield-were acquainted with Shungwayah.te.l6 Krapf and Rebmann under- stood more or less the same, whereas Burton recorded two traditions, one placing Shungwaya near Pate and the other locating it in the vicinity of the Ozi river.17 Guillain and Burton identified Shung- waya as an early home of the Kilindini clan of Mombasa and, like Krapf, also heard of it in connection with the Segeju, a Bantu- speaking group now settled on the northern Tanzanian littoral.18 From his Islamized Digo informant, Wakefield too learned that the Segeju had originated in Shungwaya, a district he located, inter- estingly enough, in "Wanyika-land."19 Neither Wakefield and the others nor their informants suggested, however, that Shungwaya was in any way connected to the Miji Kenda past. Burton, Guillain, and Krapf, in fact, mentioned Shungwaya on one page and the non- Shungwaya origins of the Miji Kenda on the same or next.20 It is very difficult to accept, therefore, that the absence of Shungwaya in early Miji Kenda traditions results from the ignorance or indifference of those who wrote them down.
https://www.academia.edu/35534543/Th...w_Evidence_pdf
A Table on the recorded Shungwayah traditions by European explorers and the different locations they put it in:
Sorry to say, saaxiib. But Bantu folks are not native to Koonfur, nor do they predate non-North-Somali speaking Somaloid groups in the area, pastoralist or otherwise.
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is mostly Bantu and barawanis not many ethnic somalis. And it isn't nyc upperstate new york is more nearer to Canada than nyc.
Somali is just a social construct. It is not defined by phenotype or genetics. Somali Bantus are Somali.
I thought you were some miskeen faarax hating xalimo feminist, but little did I know you were of the Margaret Sanger persuasion. Abaay, abaay.
Djokovic
Somali Arab
I swear farmaajos from there also abdiweli gaas anyway close enough to New York City
yeah they're from there but is still not nyc or even near it, even new jersey is more closer.
