A SOMALI guy in the show "The Sopranos"

[Idilinaa]

Somali is just a social construct. It is not defined by phenotype or genetics. Somali Bantus are Somali.

I thought you were some miskeen faarax hating xalimo feminist, but little did I know you were of the Margaret Sanger persuasion. Abaay, abaay.

Somali ethnic identity like Ethnicity/Race in general, might be a social construct but it's one constructed around real shared realities like shared ancestry(which is backed by genetic studies), history, language, physical-ethnic traits and culture. Anyone cannot be Somali, it's the dominant majority that decide who and what is or isn't Somali. They define exclusion and inclusion areas, and boundaries that entails who is Somali.

I can go out there an say i am Han Chinese but that wont make Han Chinese people accept and embrace that. I could argue and troll my tail off about it and it would change things in actuality. It's the chinese that control the definition.

The purpose of a definition in sociological terms is to discuss groups with historical, social, mental, physiological, linguistic, cultural, similarities.

We have no hope of understanding anything if two polarized groups are collapsed into the same name and this is the case with Bantus who have a seperate history , origin and even social experience than Somalis, as well as being physiologically different. It would be a crime and erasure against them to that.

Personaly i think naming the country after an ethnicity creates problems and confusions. A problem that wouldn't exist in say Ethiopia, i can be Ethiopian but that wont make me Tigrayan.

 

[Shimbiris]

I don't even have to mention genetics to support my argument that Bantu expansion never reached Somalia , that pretty much ligns up up with the linguistic paper @Shimbiris linked:

Yeah, the genetics is one more aspect that's a bit of a nail in the coffin. Despite all the nonsense you see being trolled about on this site even almost all reer Koonfur who get genome sequenced don't show any Bantu admixture. You're more likely to find trace (1-3%) amounts in some NFD folks here and there and the Somalis who show any "Bantu" in Koonfur tend to also show other exotic elements like Indian ancestry which implies mixing with reer Gibil-Cad rather than actual reer madoweyne. Bantu speakers are largely sedentary farmers, their communities would have been sizable if they truly settled all across Koonfur before Somaloid groups. Somalis who encroached on and assimilated them would today probably look comparable to Tutsis genetically but that is not remotely the case.

Lmaaoo if there would be differences between Abgaals and Isaaq in appearances then those would only be climatic regional differences not in ethnicity or ancestry.

They like to hone in on Sharif for their memes:

When I can find you some random Woqooyi oday who looks like this:

And it's like they forget Hassan Sheikh is of the same tribe:

And that man could pass as cousin to Geele over in Jabuuti:

"Somali is a social construct" kulaha. Like we can't prove with genetics, cultural anthropology, history and our eyes alone who is an actual ethnic Somali or not.

 

[Idilinaa]

Yeah, the genetics is one more aspect that's a bit of a nail in the coffin. Despite all the nonsense you see being trolled about on this site even almost all reer Koonfur who get genome sequenced don't show any Bantu admixture. You're more likely to find trace (1-3%) amounts in some NFD folks here and there and the Somalis who show any "Bantu" in Koonfur tend to also show other exotic elements like Indian ancestry which implies mixing with reer Gibil-Cad rather than actual reer madoweyne. Bantu speakers are largely sedentary farmers, their communities would have been sizable if they truly settled all across Koonfur. Somalis who encroached on and assimilated them would today probably look comparable to Tutsis genetically but that is not remotely the case.



They like to hone in on Sharif for their memes:

When I can find you some random Woqooyi oday who looks like this:

And it's like they forget Hassan Sheikh is of the same tribe:

And that man could pass as cousin to Geele over in Jabuuti:

"Somali is a social construct" kulaha. Like we can't prove with genetics, cultural anthropology, history and our eyes alone who is an actual ethnic Somali or not.

There is a variability in appearances among Somalis across different clans and you can find the same variance among Isaaqs that you can find in other clans.

See this famous Isaaq Poet for example, born and raised in Waaqoyi, Hargeisa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaariye

This of course does not imply being seperate ethnicity or bantu admixture or anything.

 

[Idilinaa]

Bantu speakers are largely sedentary farmers, their communities would have been sizable if they truly settled all across Koonfur before Somaloid groups. Somalis who encroached on and assimilated them would today probably look comparable to Tutsis genetically but that is not remotely the case.

Not only that if there was a sizeable agricultural bantu community in koonfur before the arrival of Somalis , there would also be a significant linguistic and agricultural terminological borrowings and even traditions , especially in the southern dialects, but there isn't any lool

Infact you are more likely to find the opposite like that study you showed.

 

[Shimbiris]

Not only that if there was a sizeable agricultural bantu community in koonfur before the arrival of Somalis , there would also be a significant linguistic and agricultural terminological borrowings and even traditions , especially in the southern dialects, but there isn't any lool

Infact you are more likely to find the opposite like that study you showed.

Yes, why aren't all the agricultural words in Koonfur Bantu? Why aren't there Bantu toponyms all over Koonfur, especially north of the Jubba? Where is the extensive substratum in Benadiri-Somali, Maay, Tunni, Jiddu?

 

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Somali ethnic identity like Ethnicity/Race in general, might be a social construct but it's one constructed around real shared realities like shared ancestry(which is backed by genetic studies), history, language, physical-ethnic traits and culture. Anyone cannot be Somali, it's the dominant majority that decide who and what is or isn't Somali. They define exclusion and inclusion areas, and boundaries that entails who is Somali.

I can go out there an say i am Han Chinese but that wont make Han Chinese people accept and embrace that. I could argue and troll my tail off about it and it would change things in actuality. It's the chinese that control the definition.

The purpose of a definition in sociological terms is to discuss groups with historical, social, mental, physiological, linguistic, cultural, similarities.

We have no hope of understanding anything if two polarized groups are collapsed into the same name and this is the case with Bantus who have a seperate history , origin and even social experience than Somalis, as well as being physiologically different. It would be a crime and erasure against them to that.

Personaly i think naming the country after an ethnicity creates problems and confusions. A problem that wouldn't exist in say Ethiopia, i can be Ethiopian but that wont make me Tigrayan.

Listen walaal, I don't need genealogy and homo science to explain to me what I can clearly observe with my eyes. You could indeed identify as a Han Chinese, but ethnicity inherently works on mutual recognition. Han Chinese do not perceive as one of them. You can shout the Wu-tang Clan out, but that does not mean you are in the Wu-tang clan. African Americans have a wide range of ancestral origins and phenotypes but share an ethnicity based on a combination of race, culture and social treatment. Likewise, Somalis are a multi-ethnic people of different origins, i.e. Darood, Isaaq, Hawiye etc. but share language. By that definition, I ethnically identify with me Madowweyne brothers in the South.

Somali is like a refined version of Arab. It denotes language and a narrow culture.

 

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Also if there is such a thing as a real Somali, it's clearly the Iman and Abdullahi Yusuf type. Dark skin, narrow features and timo jileec.

Anything other than that and you're 2nd tier polluted by habeshas

 

[Shimbiris]

Listen walaal, I don't need genealogy and homo science to explain to me what I can clearly observe with my eyes. You could indeed identify as a Han Chinese, but ethnicity inherently works on mutual recognition. Han Chinese do not perceive as one of them. You can shout the Wu-tang Clan out, but that does not mean you are in the Wu-tang clan. African Americans have a wide range of ancestral origins and phenotypes but share an ethnicity based on a combination of race, culture and social treatment. Likewise, Somalis are a multi-ethnic people of different origins, i.e. Darood, Isaaq, Hawiye etc. but share language. By that definition, I ethnically identify with me Madowweyne brothers in the South.

Somali is like a refined version of Arab. It denotes language and a narrow culture.

Multiethnic people? Darood, Isaaq, Hawiye etc? What the hell are you on, my guy? The clans are ethnicities now? Saaxiib, there is basically no genetic difference between those clans. None. Look at 23andme and the studies you call "homo science" for yourself. And they all speak mere dialects of the same language. Af-Maxaa. If you looked at the material culture from Jabuuti down to Koonfur in the 1800s and early 1900s you'd be hard-pressed to find really significant differences.

And our ancestors were not retarded, saaxiib. Despite the bullshit you qabiilists pull on this site, all of their origin myths link each other like Dir and Hawiye being paternally descended from Samaale who is a brother to Sab (the ancestor of groups like the Raxanweyn) and Daroods and Isaaqs being married into the Dir maternally or the Isaaq being recounted as an offshoot of the Dir in some myths. They have always known full well how related they are. Why the hell do you think guys like the Sayyid were recruiting from so many different Somali clans but not recruiting Oromos or random Xabashis? They knew, niyahow. They always have, obviously.

Reer Madoweyne do not fit into this. They are a foreign people who unfortunately got brought to our lands via slavery and slowly but surely assimilated to Somali culture (like in terms of language). You can immediately tell them apart from any ethnic Somali with those eyes of yours you take such pride in but you are a nahab if you pretend like you can tell an Isaaq and Darood or Darood and Hawiye apart. You also won't see them genetically clustering anywhere near any ethnic Somalis on a genetic level. And our ancestors treated them as such. Marriages, on both sides, are frowned upon and always have been.

When they were enslaved our ancestors even made a point of treating them different from Oromo and Xabash slaves whom they were open to marrying and producing fully legitimate children with:

Unraveling Somalia

In 1991 the Somali state collapsed. Once heralded as the only true nation-state in Africa, the Somalia of the 1990s suffered brutal internecine warfare. At the same time a politically created famine caused the deaths of a half a million people and the flight of a million refugees.During the...

books.google.ae

Clearly displaying a form of racism where they knew they were more related and culturally similar to groups like the Oromo.

 

[Aboow]

Multiethnic people? Darood, Isaaq, Hawiye etc? What the hell are you on, my guy? The clans are ethnicities now? Saaxiib, there is basically no genetic difference between those clans. None. Look at 23andme and the studies you call "homo science" for yourself. And they all speak mere dialects of the same language. Af-Maxaa. If you looked at the material culture from Jabuuti down to Koonfur in the 1800s and early 1900s you'd be hard-pressed to find really significant differences.

And our ancestors were not retarded, saaxiib. Despite the bullshit you qabiilists pull on this site, all of their origin myths link each other like Dir and Hawiye being paternally descended from Samaale who is a brother to Sab (the ancestor of groups like the Raxanweyn) and Daroods and Isaaqs being married into the Dir maternally or the Isaaq being recounted as an offshoot of the Dir in some myths. They have always known full well how related they are. Why the hell do you think guys like the Sayyid were recruiting from so many different Somali clans but not recruiting Oromos or random Xabashis? They knew, niyahow. They always have, obviously.

Reer Madoweyne do not fit into this. They are a foreign people who unfortunately got brought to our lands via slavery and slowly but surely assimilated to Somali culture (like in terms of language). You can immediately tell them apart from any ethnic Somali with those eyes of yours you take such pride in but you are a nahab if you pretend like you can tell an Isaaq and Darood or Darood and Hawiye apart. You also won't see them genetically clustering anywhere near any ethnic Somalis on a genetic level. And our ancestors treated them as such. Marriages, on both sides, are frowned upon and always have been.

When they were enslaved our ancestors even made a point of treating them different from Oromo and Xabash slaves whom they were open to marrying and producing fully legitimate children with:

Unraveling Somalia

In 1991 the Somali state collapsed. Once heralded as the only true nation-state in Africa, the Somalia of the 1990s suffered brutal internecine warfare. At the same time a politically created famine caused the deaths of a half a million people and the flight of a million refugees.During the...

books.google.ae

Clearly displaying a form of racism where they knew they were more related and culturally similar to groups like the Oromo.

I automatically like your comments when it come to dna and Somali history LOL you have proven yourself trustworthy. Those two guys are liars and are Somali Bantus. I really hate when people hide who they are! Just say your Somali bantu and move on!

Am Somali from Djibouti ( Samaron) and look like the Somali people in konfur! We look alike since we’re one ethnicity!!!!!!!!!

My family never married outside of ( issa and Samaron combo; due to proximity am assuming) however my sister married a darood guy from Somali galbeed. Let me tell you we all look alike during the aroos! Your logic is soo funny! Qabil and ethnicity are two different things….

 

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Multiethnic people? Darood, Isaaq, Hawiye etc? What the hell are you on, my guy? The clans are ethnicities now? Saaxiib, there is basically no genetic difference between those clans. None. Look at 23andme and the studies you call "homo science" for yourself. And they all speak mere dialects of the same language. Af-Maxaa. If you looked at the material culture from Jabuuti down to Koonfur in the 1800s and early 1900s you'd be hard-pressed to find really significant differences.

And our ancestors were not retarded, saaxiib. Despite the bullshit you qabiilists pull on this site, all of their origin myths link each other like Dir and Hawiye being paternally descended from Samaale who is a brother to Sab (the ancestor of groups like the Raxanweyn) and Daroods and Isaaqs being married into the Dir maternally or the Isaaq being recounted as an offshoot of the Dir in some myths. They have always known full well how related they are. Why the hell do you think guys like the Sayyid were recruiting from so many different Somali clans but not recruiting Oromos or random Xabashis? They knew, niyahow. They always have, obviously.

Reer Madoweyne do not fit into this. They are a foreign people who unfortunately got brought to our lands via slavery and slowly but surely assimilated to Somali culture (like in terms of language). You can immediately tell them apart from any ethnic Somali with those eyes of yours you take such pride in but you are a nahab if you pretend like you can tell an Isaaq and Darood or Darood and Hawiye apart. You also won't see them genetically clustering anywhere near any ethnic Somalis on a genetic level. And our ancestors treated them as such. Marriages, on both sides, are frowned upon and always have been.

When they were enslaved our ancestors even made a point of treating them different from Oromo and Xabash slaves whom they were open to marrying and producing fully legitimate children with:

Unraveling Somalia

In 1991 the Somali state collapsed. Once heralded as the only true nation-state in Africa, the Somalia of the 1990s suffered brutal internecine warfare. At the same time a politically created famine caused the deaths of a half a million people and the flight of a million refugees.During the...

books.google.ae

Clearly displaying a form of racism where they knew they were more related and culturally similar to groups like the Oromo.

Can you at least acknowledge that certain clans are significantly more prone to producing certain phenotypes? I have never in my life laid eyes on a Majerteen that can pass for Habesha.

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I automatically like your comments when it come to dna and Somali history LOL you have proven yourself trustworthy. Those two guys are liars and are Somali Bantus. I really hate when people hide who they are! Just say your Somali bantu and move on!

Am Somali from Djibouti ( Samaron) and look like the Somali people in konfur! We look alike since we’re one ethnicity!!!!!!!!!

My family never married outside of ( issa and Samaron combo; due to proximity am assuming) however my sister married a darood guy from Somali galbeed. Let me tell you we all look alike during the aroos! Your logic is soo funny! Qabil and ethnicity are two different things….

Walaal, tone the racism down. You're obviously honorary Somali dee, caadi iska dhig.

 

[Aboow]

Walaal, tone the racism down. You're obviously honorary Somali dee, caadi iska dhig.

What racism? Lmaoo stop playing the victim. What did I say that was racist? Is saying Somali bantu a racist slur? Or are you just projecting? Am not a honorary Somali weirdo; am Somali from Djibouti. Simple as that.

 

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What racism? Lmaoo stop playing the victim. What did I say that was racist? Is saying Somali bantu a racist slur? Or are you just projecting? Am not a honorary Somali weirdo; am Somali from Djibouti. Simple as that.

Ok ok, stop sanctioning me with your oppressive qashin ratings. Djiboutians are great people. Let's be diplomatic

 

[Shimbiris]

Can you at least acknowledge that certain clans are significantly more prone to producing certain phenotypes? I have never in my life laid eyes on a Majerteen that can pass for Habesha.

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My own hooyo, an honorable Majeerteen woman, can pass for Xabash. She often gets taken for Tigray by Xabashis and when she was a kid she'd get teased by kids in Xamar who called her "Digeeye" which was apparently the name of a local Eritrean cop in Xamar my mother looked like. I have her and my genetic results and we're not any different from average Geeljires. My mom is 1/4 Raxanweyn and 1/4 Mareexaan, to be fair. But I've seen "pure" MJ relatives of hers with the same look.

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My own hooyo, an honorable Majeerteen woman, can pass for Xabash. She often gets taken for Tigray by Xabashis and when she was a kid she'd get teased by kids in Xamar who called her "Digeeye" which was apparently the name of a local Eritrean cop in Xamar my mother looked like. I have her and my genetic results and we're not any different from average Geeljires. My mom is 1/4 Raxanweyn and 1/4 Mareexaan, to be fair. But I've seen "pure" MJ relatives of hers with the same look.

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NOOOOO. To be honest, Habeshas are fucking blind. They think anything from the Horn looks like them, but Somalis can almost always tell themselves apart

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[Nilotic]

Somali is just a social construct. It is not defined by phenotype or genetics. Somali Bantus are Somali.

I thought you were some miskeen faarax hating xalimo feminist, but little did I know you were of the Margaret Sanger persuasion. Abaay, abaay.

Is this you drawing parallels between the Trans ideology and Madowweyne that claim to be indigenous?

@Roorigeg

You're wrong, laakin waan ka helaa kalsoonidaadaa

 

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Is this you drawing parallels between the Trans ideology and Madowweyne that claim to be indigenous?

@Roorigeg

You're wrong, laakin waan ka helaa kalsoonidaadaa

Are you Muslim btw?

 

[Nilotic]

Are you Muslim btw?

No and I wish I did believe but I'm seemingly incapable.

 

[Nilotic]

Ok ok, stop sanctioning me with your oppressive qashin ratings. Djiboutians are great people. Let's be diplomatic

Peace is possible... Aboow doesn't qashin me anymore

 

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No and I wish I did believe but I'm seemingly incapable.

Did you know South Sudanese people are just self-hating Somalis

Nilotic Somalis Somali Bantu Cushitic Somali

The Truth KKKushitic Somalis have been trying to hide for many years.