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[Jujuman]

So are Arabs and Jews the same ethnicity?

Don't be foolish that's like me asking if the Oromo and Somalis are of the same ethnicity. Arabs and Jews are related ethnic groups but they're not one and the same.

 

[Lord Flacko]

The Somali language is 900 years older than Islam.

The Somali Language wasn't even called the Somali language then, that wasn't until middle ages I believe.


And the Somali language then would be impossible for you to understand today. That is for certain.

Still my topic is about the Somali name, identity and culture and when they became prevalent/mainstram/the norm.

 

[Apollo]

The Somali Language wasn't even called the Somali language then, that wasn't until middle ages I believe.
And the Somali language then would be impossible for you to understand today. That is for certain.

If you went back to the year 300 BCE and visited what is now Djibouti and what is now Hobyo the people you would find would be able to communicate in more or less the same language

Hence, same ethnicity.

/end thread. Useless discussion.

 

[Lord Flacko]

If you went back to the year 300 BCE and visited what is now Djibouti and what is now Hobyo the people you would find would be able to communicate in more or less the same language

Hence, same ethnicity.

/end thread. Useless discussion.

At that time there is no information on where Somalis lived. You don't know that, and those people weren't modern Somalis either. There is little to no documentation of them, and no mention of any Somalis at that time.

Read the thread again, seems that youve missed the point.

 

[Bielsa]

@Discontinous even if you're right, the only reason Atheist make that original statement is because we constantly get told we're not Somali anymore. Are you one of those who believe that?

 

[Lord Flacko]

@Discontinous even if you're right, the only reason Atheist make that original statement is because we constantly get told we're not Somali anymore. Are you one of those who believe that?

No. I only hate munafiqs and traitors, the rest are cool imo.

 

[Apollo]

At that time there is no information on where Somalis lived. You don't know that, and those people weren't modern Somalis either. There is little to no documentation of them, and no mention of any Somalis at that time.

Read the thread again, seems that youve missed the point.

I got the point.

My stance:

The Somali ethnic group is much older than Islam.
It is laughable to say that Islam created Somalis. This is what Salafi lunatics would like you to believe.

 

[Lord Flacko]

I got the point.
My stance:
The Somali ethnic group is much older than Islam.

The proto-Somali yes. But (modern) Somali as an identity, culture and language was formed with the advent of Islam.

Can you find any mentions of any Somalis by name before Islam? Somalis rose up and marked themselves on the map as Somalis after the advent of Islam. Before that who knows what or who we were, and before that who knows what the Puntites were.

 

[Apollo]

The proto-Somali yes. But (modern) Somali as an identity, culture and language was formed with the advent of Islam.

Can you find any mentions of any Somalis by name before Islam? Somalis rose up and marked themselves on the map as Somalis after the advent of Islam. Before that who knows what or who we were, and before that who knows what the Puntites were.

Why are you being so autistic?

Who cares about those details.. there is no clear beginning to it. It gradually morphed into what we call Somalis today. The broader picture is that Somalis existed before Islam.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Why are you being so autistic?

Who cares about those details.. there is no clear beginning to it. It gradually morphed into what we call Somalis today. The broader picture is that Somalis existed before Islam.

The people that existed before Islam weren't Somalis though. The Somali identity and culture was born after them. They were Proto-Somalis. Do you actually know anything about them? Eventually they became Somalis aka us.

 

[Apollo]

The people that existed before Islam weren't Somalis though. The Somali identity and culture was born after them. They were Proto-Somalis. Do you actually know anything about them? Eventually they became Somalis aka us.

My clan was Christian before converting to Islam

 

[McLovin]

@Amun dhulbahante confirmed:siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Jujuman]

So are Arabs, Jews, Assyrians, Akkadians, etc. the same ethnic group in modern terms?

Waryaa if you want to play that game then we'll quickly find that if you go back far enough all humans have a common descent (not Adam) and if we go back even further...

You know where I'm getting at. Descent in the context of that definition refers to the most recent. Descent is also not relegated to just genetics but also linguistics.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Before Islam the people that inhabited the region were called "Berbers" not Somali. The first account of the word "Somali" was the 1500s when we invaded Ethiopia. No one knows exactly when Somali was invented for a group of people but if you believe it came from Samaale the person then Consider this... Samaale can be calculated to be from the 6th-7th century so Somalis started to exist exactly around the time Islam was born.

Also consider the fact that the earliest Muslims from the 7th century built a mosque in Zeila during 2 Hijra.... that means Islam has been with Somalis for as long as Islam existed! Somali culture has been completely shaped by Islam so much so that all previous versions would be almost completely foreign today. More than 20% of the language is Arabic damn.

Who cares about the Somali before Islam though? They didn't achieve much compared to Somalis between the years 616 - 1616 or Somalis from 1616 - 2016.
They weren't even Somali just alien cushitic predecessors who would have nothing in common with us today. We have Islam to thank for our identity and culture.

Hmm im not entirely sure about that. Im not well read on pre-islamic Somalia, but the Puntites were a civilised people and they must have achieved great things that are waiting to be uncovered.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I think the main problem of our pre-islamic ancestors was they didnt leave much documents and records they lost our ancient script, i dont know when they lost it but it played a big factor. Plus, there hasnt been much archaeological projects in Somalia to fully uncover our history.

 

[Bahal]

How? Im talking about the formation of the Somali identity and modern culture. The ancient Romans weren't Italians. Somali (the name itself) wasn't mentioned until after Islam, Hawiya was mentioned in the 11th century as the first mention of any Somali people. Our most known history is after Islam when we had several Sultanates, Kingdoms and waged military conquests throughout the Horn of Africa. Anything before Islam isn't Somali as Somali and Somalis didn't exist then. They were Proto-Somalis of whom we know almost nothing about, our the Puntities who came before them, of whom we know almost nothing of.

The Vikings weren't Norwegians, but proto-Norwegians who spoke another language and weren't Christian. Short version of the question is, who were our "Vikings"? The Puntites? After that then, because that was thousands of years ago

The Somali language has transformed throughout history. It most likely only became somewhat centralised after Islam and the rise of Sultanates and Kingdoms

Do you think our entire culture was just adopted as recently as 700?

It's very uniqueness is a testament of its antiquity.

 

[bluebird]

lol of course they were somali before islam, and a somali kafir is still somali, it's your dna dude

alhamdulilah for being born muslim

 

[Canuck]

@Amun dhulbahante confirmed:siilaanyolaugh:

He is dhulo reer Hagar but also the warsangali moved to south around that time (1860s)

 

[The_Cosmos]

Just don't convert to Christianity because of this little info

One does not leave one Abrahamic religion for another.

 

[AceofSom]

Wallahi you lot are stupid if you believe religion equals your ethnic background

"Wallahi"? you still have hope