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[GALAN]

No. I’m not interested about Oromos in general. Since Gurguras are part of Nole according to Oromos, show my anything that relates to Nole specifically.

you want to learn about the Nole??. Nole are fierce warriors who mastered a large army against the gun modern European weapon equipped they managed to subjugate the somali in Jeldessa probably not the reer Galen because they are oromo over there. im not very educated on them but I know they are 4 and include the Gurgura who have been documented to have been Nole. I do not have a source which says the Nole name directly in the Adal war but they possibly coudve.

 

[GALAN]

 

[GaradShabeel]

you want to learn about the Nole??. Nole are fierce warriors who mastered a large army against the gun modern European weapon equipped they managed to subjugate the somali in Jeldessa probably not the reer Galen because they are oromo over there. im not very educated on them but I know they are 4 and include the Gurgura who have been documented to have been Nole. I do not have a source which says the Nole name directly in the Adal war but they possibly coudve.

I know that Gurgura have been documented to be Nole for several centuries, which is because Gurgura joined Nole.

It's said that after Oromos migrated to the east, that conflicts erupted between different Oromo clans. In which Noles were attacked. Gurguras came to Nole's aid, since they were a smaller clan at the time, and afterwards allied with each other and later on adopted the clan. You can ask Gurguras themselves.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Also, Gurgura did not start claiming Somali out of the bloom recently. Even though they joined Nole, they were still described as being a mix of Oromo and Somali. They spoke both languages and had similarities with both people. It's also mentioned in the excerpt below, from the Italian 'Esplorazione Commerciale' puslished 1889.

There were even times when they were describes as Somali only. That would not have been the case if they were fully Oromo. In 'Rivista coloniale organo dell'Istituto coloniale italiano' based on Italian colonial records from the same period, they were called Somali Gurgura.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Also, Gurgura did not start claiming Somali out of the bloom recently. Even though they joined Nole, they were still described as being a mix of Oromo and Somali. They spoke both languages and similarities with both people. It's also mentioned in the excerpt below, from the Italian documentation 'Esplorazione Commerciale' from 1889.


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There were even times when they were describes as Somali only too. That would not have been the case if they were fully Oromo. In 'Rivista coloniale organo dell'Istituto coloniale italiano' based on Italian colonial records from the same period where they were called Somali Gurgura.

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Why not go a step further and go back in time even more all the way to the 16th century before the arrival of oromos to what is today hararghe, at the time during the futuh al-habasha arab faqih listed the somali clans that participated in the war and among them gurgura were mentioned as a somali clan.

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

@GALAN are you an Oromo who was assimilated into Gurgura? I always thought they were Dir that have very close relations with Oromos.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Why not go a step further and go back in time even more all the way to the 16th century before the arrival of oromos to what is today hararghe, at the time during the futuh al-habasha arab faqih listed the somali clans that participated in the war and among them gurgura were mentioned as a somali clan.

He's also claiming that Karanles are assimilated into Somalis, i.e. they have Oromo origin. I don't know where to begin with addressing this claim @Step a side

Gurgura are oromo but that dispute is for another time the Babille (Karanle) have been heavily assimilated into the somalis, and lets not forget about Hume who live as far as Degah bur there whole tribe is lost like actually if you ask a person about Hume they will have no clue this is a deadly trend going around the border.

 

[Sophisticate]

He's also claiming that Karanles are assimilated into Somalis, i.e. they have Oromo origin. I don't where to begin with addressing this claim @Step a side

Oromos are a hybridized group. They have individuals with multiple origins. To say someone is Oromo doesn't even mean very much. It is essentially like a political label as they take in everyone. A Somali could have Somali and Oromo co-identities, i.e. in the case of the Gurgura. I don't think this kid understands that. It means something more when someone says they are an 'ethnic' Somali than it does when they claim Oromo. For starters, it is more specific and more exclusionary. Purely ethnic Somalis also serve as a better genetic proxy for Cushitic than Oromos.

 

[Garaad diinle]

He's also claiming that Karanles are assimilated into Somalis, i.e. they have Oromo origin. I don't where to begin with addressing this claim @Step a side

Karanle the first born son of hawiya? You can't make this stuff up if they aren't somalis who is? Also babile include many more somali clans other than karanle such as gugundhabe madigan etc.

At any rate here is @Step a side himself and what he shared about babile.

Afran qallo is a massive confederation that includes clans from hawiya, madigan, akisho, ogaden, wara dayu and maaru, the ancient oromo beliefs state afran qallo had a son called babile who gave his daughter to the hawiya and thus adopted hawiye as his son.

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Hawiye has been the focus of study of all "eastern conflicts" in Ethiopia modern history

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Read the first line, every massive in the east involved Hawiye, at some point Selassie was cooking 8 years of conflict with Ogaden

 

[GaradShabeel]

Oromos are a hybridized group. They have individuals with multiple origins. To say someone is Oromo doesn't even mean very much. It is essentially like a political label as they take in everyone. A Somali could have Somali and Oromo co-identities, i.e. in the case of the Gurgura. I don't think this kid understands that. It means something more when someone says they are an 'ethnic' Somali than it does when they claim Oromo. For starters, it is more specific and more exclusionary. Purely ethnic Somalis also serve as a better proxy for Cushitic than Oromos do.

Agreed. I do recognize that Oromos as a 'homogenous' ethnic group have existed, which in historical context was referred as Galla in what today is southern Ethiopia. But as they expanded from their native region, they assimilated people along the way and the people who inhabited in the territories they created new settlements.

Today Oromos is a confederation of Oromos & Oromized people. What unities them is mainly a shared language, Oromiffa, similar to Arabic with regards to all the people we today recognize as Arabs (Arabs and Arabized people). And certain practices like Gadaa in order to become part of the Oromo society etc.

This book describe it really well. 'Being and becoming Oromo: historical and anthropological enquires'
https://nai.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2:277262&dswid=6865

I found this interesting. As they migrated to different regions and mixed with the locals, Oromos become more diversified as a people. It make sense why Oromo today identify heavily with regionalism, such as Hararghe Oromo, Shewa Oromo, Wellega Oromo etc.

The Oromos increased their numbers through Oromization (Meedhicca, Mogasa and Gudifacha), assimilation, and forced assimilation of other ethnic groups, as well as the inclusion of mixed peoples (Gabbaro).The native ancient names of the territories were replaced by the name of the Oromo clans who conquered it while the people were made Gabbaros.

 

[Step a side]

Oromos will say hargeisa was once an oromo town because "har" is an oromo word.

 

[Step a side]

lets talk about assimilation then the odali Reer Galan wardIQ akisho jarso Gurgura Karanle Bursuug ? I can keep on going

Hawiye from Baabili

 

[GALAN]

I know that Gurgura have been documented to be Nole for several centuries, which is because Gurgura joined Nole.

It's said that after Oromos migrated to the east, that conflicts erupted between different Oromo clans. In which Noles were attacked. Gurguras came to Nole's aid, since they were a smaller clan at the time, and afterwards allied with each other and later on adopted the clan. You can ask Gurguras themselves.

if I were to ask a gurgura 100 years ago he would not say this. if the gurgura are somali how is there clan name oromo, if the reer Galan are somali how is my clans name oromo. bro they speak oromo, and I do not believe this story. Gurgura have been somalized and now want to claim Somali for there political interest since the other oromo clans such as Ala war with them often.

 

[GALAN]

look at the gurgura subclans Sanaya Sanchele Kunduble Ibidoor Galawaaq all oromo names.

 

[GALAN]

Hawiye from Baabili

right now babaille is under oromia I went to hararghe a few months back in July all the way to fafem is oromia and when you reach there you see the somali region flag. that whole area is inhabited by the Werra Hume who are somali speaking Oromos.

 

[Step a side]

your orormo your self

35 million Karanle gathered in Mogadishu few days ago

 

[GALAN]

35 million Karanle gathered in Mogadishu few days ago

Wallahi bill ahi you are delusional my friend there is not even 35 million somalis on earth karanle supremacist do not take this man serious.

 

[Step a side]

right now babaille is under oromia I went to hararghe a few months back in July all the way to fafem is oromia and when you reach there you see the somali region flag. that whole area is inhabited by the Werra Hume who are somali speaking Oromos.

Baabili can be under Chinese led administration for all I care. It doesn’t mean the people will be Chinese. Before Oromo led administration you had Menelik. Before Menelik you had Egyptians. Before Egyptians etc etc etc

 

[GALAN]

Also, Gurgura did not start claiming Somali out of the bloom recently. Even though they joined Nole, they were still described as being a mix of Oromo and Somali. They spoke both languages and had similarities with both people. It's also mentioned in the excerpt below, from the Italian 'Esplorazione Commerciale' puslished 1889.


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There were even times when they were describes as Somali only. That would not have been the case if they were fully Oromo. In 'Rivista coloniale organo dell'Istituto coloniale italiano' based on Italian colonial records from the same period, they were called Somali Gurgura.

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I can also find sources which claim the gurgura are Nole??

 

[GALAN]

Baabili can be under Chinese led administration for all I care. It doesn’t mean the people will be Chinese. Before Oromo led administration you had Menelik. Before Menelik you had Egyptians. Before Egyptians etc etc etc

your a babille oromo your self