Burial Tomb of a Nomadic King in Djibouti

[Three Moons]

I was talking about the above surface stone works, it's a huge disaster none the less, thankfully no one has gone around digging up the sites in the North yet, particularly Sanaag which would be a throve of historical marvels.

Me too, all of it is gone. Also, all of the below was dug up in the North. These artefacts perhaps belonged to the pre-Islamic incense trading civilisations of Somalia.

Without the ability to carbon date or retrace the graves, ruins and tombs from where these artefacts originate it will be difficult for an archaeologist or researcher to assign them to a specific century in Somali history, unless future professional digs retrieve more of the same types. This stuff should be in a Somali Museum with a professional website detailing the origins, the century and the specific city-state. We have been denied this;

While all of the historic sites languish in the sun and decay further without any protection. Another example where a lack of a strong involved government is detrimental.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

Me too, all of it is gone. Also, all of the below was dug up in the North. These artefacts perhaps belonged to the pre-Islamic incense trading civilisations of Somalia.

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Without the ability to carbon date or retrace the graves, ruins and tombs from where these artefacts originate it will be difficult for an archaeologist or researcher to assign them to a specific century in Somali history, unless future professional digs retrieve more of the same types. This stuff should be in a Somali Museum with a professional website detailing the origins, the century and the specific city-state. We have been denied this;

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While all of the historic sites languish in the sun and decay further without any protection. Another example where a lack of a strong involved government is detrimental.

I thought the pots and bowls were medieval from the Adal era

 

[Three Moons]

I thought the pots and bowls were medieval from the Adal era

It could be from any era, since incense is still a feature of Somali culture. Though any historic iconography like statues and votives would clearly be of pre-Islamic origin since none of the artisans in any of the Sultanates, even during their richest periods, engaged in such an artistic practice.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

While all of the historic sites languish in the sun and decay further without any protection. Another example where a lack of a strong involved government is detrimental.

If these historical sites have been underground for millennia’s it shouldn’t be a problem if it stays under for a while longer until Somalia stabilizes.

 

[ibrahym]

@Khaemwaset Is this you

 

[Yami]

Me too, all of it is gone. Also, all of the below was dug up in the North. These artefacts perhaps belonged to the pre-Islamic incense trading civilisations of Somalia.

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Without the ability to carbon date or retrace the graves, ruins and tombs from where these artefacts originate it will be difficult for an archaeologist or researcher to assign them to a specific century in Somali history, unless future professional digs retrieve more of the same types. This stuff should be in a Somali Museum with a professional website detailing the origins, the century and the specific city-state. We have been denied this;

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While all of the historic sites languish in the sun and decay further without any protection. Another example where a lack of a strong involved government is detrimental.

I remember seeing a post about those artifacts awhile back. They were dug up in awdal and sold to random private collectors 5 years ago. They’re probably in some cadaan guys basement smh

 

[Midas]

Not gonna lie this is getting my blood pressure high. It's like everything possible is happening to destroy somali history .

 

[Khaem]

@Khaemwaset Is this you

Caught me lacking bro

 

[Three Moons]

Brother is consistent across all platforms;

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Me too, all of it is gone. Also, all of the below was dug up in the North. These artefacts perhaps belonged to the pre-Islamic incense trading civilisations of Somalia.

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Without the ability to carbon date or retrace the graves, ruins and tombs from where these artefacts originate it will be difficult for an archaeologist or researcher to assign them to a specific century in Somali history, unless future professional digs retrieve more of the same types. This stuff should be in a Somali Museum with a professional website detailing the origins, the century and the specific city-state. We have been denied this;

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While all of the historic sites languish in the sun and decay further without any protection. Another example where a lack of a strong involved government is detrimental.

I’m noticing that the two sculptures on the left look like Christian priests decked out in robes, one male and female. This only proves my theory on Christianity being practiced in pre-Islamic times in the Somali peninsula.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

I’m noticing that the two sculptures on the left look like Christian priests decked out in robes, one male and female. This only proves my theory on Christianity being practiced in pre-Islamic times in the Somali peninsula.

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You come across any other related finds or anecdotes recently?

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[Midas]

Me too, all of it is gone. Also, all of the below was dug up in the North. These artefacts perhaps belonged to the pre-Islamic incense trading civilisations of Somalia.

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Without the ability to carbon date or retrace the graves, ruins and tombs from where these artefacts originate it will be difficult for an archaeologist or researcher to assign them to a specific century in Somali history, unless future professional digs retrieve more of the same types. This stuff should be in a Somali Museum with a professional website detailing the origins, the century and the specific city-state. We have been denied this;

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While all of the historic sites languish in the sun and decay further without any protection. Another example where a lack of a strong involved government is detrimental.

I think I've seen these before but I didn't know they were real. Do you realize the ramifications. It's evidence of an advanced preislamic civilization. In the climate of somalia the only people who could have the time and energy do this woukd have to live in towns and pretty large ones at that since these don't seem easy to make. It's also proof that these city states weren't just random temporary gathering places for nomads. This definitely boosts the chances of us finding ancient mansucripts.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

I think I've seen these before but I didn't know they were real. Do you realize the ramifications. It's evidence of an advanced preislamic civilization. In the climate of somalia the only people who could have the time and energy do this woukd have to live in towns and pretty large ones at that since these don't seem easy to make. It's also proof that these city states weren't just random temporary gathering places for nomads. This definitely boosts the chances of us finding ancient mansucripts.

Socotra, an island literally off our coast has a text corpus of 250 texts/inscriptions in Brahmi, South Arabian, Greek, Palmyrene and Bactrian.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they found that and more if they dig around our coast for ancient cities. I need to know ancient qabils and the hierarchy of the nomadic societies of the Somali peninsula and if they did large scale raids/conquests on the urbanized coastal people which lead to a decline and eventually erasure of this ancient civilization kinda like Mongols.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

Socotra, an island literally off our coast has a text corpus of 250 texts/inscriptions in Brahmi, South Arabian, Greek, Palmyrene and Bactrian.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they found that and more if they dig around our coast for ancient cities. I need to know ancient qabils and the hierarchy of the nomadic societies of the Somali peninsula and if they did large scale raids/conquests on the urbanized coastal people which lead to a decline and eventually erasure of this ancient civilization kinda like Mongols.

I wonder if we can find out the effect of three things on this ancient civilization:

1. The Christianisation of Rome- I read the other day this lead to decline of our neighbours in Yemen because the incense trade fell off as the early Christians in Rome forbade the use of frankincense.

2. Fall of Western Roman Empire

3. The much later collapse of the Ma'rib dam in Yemen

 

[Midas]

One thing I think will help out with chronological dating. Is that somalia was very much connected to global trade networks. So when empires collapsed or plague became common we would also be affected by this and trace would decline. But personally all I want is for us to find just a couple papyrus manuscripts or long narrative insciriptons that would give us insight into how these people thought. Imagine discovering an ancient somali epic poem.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

I think there might be a lot more remains and possibly even writing found in Eritrea. It would be amazing to get more info about the Gash Culture- which the ancestors apparently belonged to before moving into the Horn

 

[Xeda]

I think there might be a lot more remains and possibly even writing found in Eritrea. It would be amazing to get more info about the Gash Culture- which the ancestors apparently belonged to before moving into the Horn

This was found in Eritrea recently, i’m not sure if it has anything to do with the gash group tho.
https://x.com/shabait/status/1763224199890399537

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

This was found in Eritrea recently, i’m not sure if it has anything to do with the gash group tho.
https://x.com/shabait/status/1763224199890399537

This is a great find! I'm not sure but it is definitely possible if it ends up being the same as the finds at Mahal Teglinos.

The Gash Group (ca. 3000-1400 BC) is the Land of Punt

The Gash Group is a neolithic culture situated in the Southeastern Sudan and Northern Eritrea region. The academic consensus based on the most recent archeological evidence is that this culture is the Land of Punt. Excavations at its capital of Mahal Teglinos revealed evidence of permanent...

www.somalispot.com

Punt stretched up to modern day Eritrea and likely the Yemeni coast as well. The capital of Punt at least at one point might have been in modern Eritrea they've been finding a lot of stuff there. The ancient ancestors of Somalis seem to have set up first in modern day Eritrea and then moved down further to settle in Somalia itself.

 

[محمود فارح]

I firmly believe that Somalia has a very ancient civilization besides Punt, and I also want to know what wars and expansions we did in the past, and I want to know why Axum did not invade Somalia,

 

[Xeda]

This is a great find! I'm not sure but it is definitely possible if it ends up being the same as the finds at Mahal Teglinos.

The Gash Group (ca. 3000-1400 BC) is the Land of Punt

The Gash Group is a neolithic culture situated in the Southeastern Sudan and Northern Eritrea region. The academic consensus based on the most recent archeological evidence is that this culture is the Land of Punt. Excavations at its capital of Mahal Teglinos revealed evidence of permanent...

www.somalispot.com

Punt stretched up to modern day Eritrea and likely the Yemeni coast as well. The capital of Punt at least at one point might have been in modern Eritrea they've been finding a lot of stuff there. The ancient ancestors of Somalis seem to have set up first in modern day Eritrea and then moved down further to settle in Somalia itself.

IMO the capital of punt or the “heartland” depends on the year/ time period we’re talking about, considering sesotris travelled down to the modern day Somali coast, and Hatshepsut also travelled down to northern Somalia, I think as time went on the heartland of punt changed to northern Somalia, but at the time of pharaoh sahure it would have been Eritrea, there’s also a lot of unexplored tumuli/pyramids in northern Somalia.