Xeda
Formerly known as Ajansjana
I wanna know what ancient civilisations are located in the southern part of Somalia.
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Yes I also think this is what happened with Punt.
Didn't 'Azania' at least partially cover the southern Banadir coast?
What time period are you talking about? Do you mean the old city states?
Aksum probably fought against peoples amongst whom were ancestral Somalis and there was at least one king who claimed to rule them but it seems they failed to ever establish their rule.
Well, I don't have an exact period because I'm not familiar with it, but you could say pre-Punt civilization
I mean Punt is pretty old as it is- Pharaoh Sahure 's expedition is earliest mention of it and that's 2400BC. We can assume it existed before that as well.
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Yes, I remembered that. I think I saw something said that we were from northern Sudan and expanded to go to the Horn of Africa. So what about the post-Punt period? Is there a civilization under these sands?
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Yes I think so but we know very little- we need comprehensive archaeological surveys.
IIRC the climate in Somalia was a lot greener and wetter at times especially in what is now the more arid north so I think we can expect to find traces of the cattle herding culture before we adopted camels as well as larger more centralised city-states. If we go with the theory the immigrants carrying y-DNA T brought camels to Somalia, that would give us a rough date for when the cattle culture or Sacmaal started to change- i.e the people who painted places like Las Geel.
There's so many burial cairns and mounds all those dead people must have lived somewhere and we know the Somali environment is very hostile to preserving ancient sites- cities get totally buried within only a few years sometimes, swallowed by the sea, destroyed by foreign enemies or taken apart brick by brick for new building material- colonials did that a lot.
punt did sold pygmy slaves so am guessing it wasn't only hunter gatherers
Xeda
Formerly known as Ajansjana
Azania would have been in southern Somalia/northern Kenya, it was a Cushitic civilisation.
I’m not sure as to which archeologist found it tho.
Do you think that with the discoveries of antiquities in the future, we would have advanced science? We are one of the oldest peoples, and I really expect that this will be discovered alongside civilization
I think so. We really don't have much to go on we need to find large caches of old writings and decipher them. To do that, we need to find the oldest cities with surviving writing- any science would have been done mainly in cities by people sponsored by the ruler.
There are some clues though. Whoever made the traditional Somali calendar had a good knowldge of astronomy- it is quite an accurate calendar. The old city states would definitely have needed good navigation and seafaring skills- Barbar sailors were said at one point to outdo Arab and Persian competitors. You would also need the knowledge to build ships that could survive in the Indian Ocean. There's a Greek source that describes tall twin pillars in one Somali port as you enter- that says something about their knowledge of engineering so do the ruins found belonging to the Gash group in Eritrea. Anthropologists say a number of crops were first domesticated and used by these ancient people including sorghum and chickpeas.
Xeda
Formerly known as Ajansjana
Can I see a source for this or are you talking about
Pliny the elder talking about stone moneuments on ancient Somali port cities with unknown alphabets on them
Yh the somali calendar strikes me as way to advanced to have been not developed by a civilization. The same with our poetry the rules seem about meter and alliteration seem way too rigid to have been natural. Like I said before western scholars used somali poetry as an example of how not all oral poetry is formulaic. Or how they pointed out that somalis didn't see a a diffrence if the poetry was written or not.
Xeda
Formerly known as Ajansjana
These port cities and stone monuments are probably underwater now.
Here the link to that text
https://www.loebclassics.com/view/p...story/1938/pb_LCL352.469.xml?mainRsKey=yNDuY9
Maybe somalis were the people mentioned in the quran "iram of the pillars"
Xeda
Formerly known as Ajansjana
Most people agree that Iram was in Arabia, but maybe.
It's definitely one of my most wild theories. I do wonder though if those pillars pliny mentions still exist and are underwater. What those inscriptions would tell us.
I don't think so but it'd be interesting. There's the ancient city of Ubar also known as AWBAR and WABAR- I find the name interesting.
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