Don't you dare waste your opportunity in the West and don't get too comfortable!!

[Abdisamad]

 

[Inquisitive_]

None of those skills will save you.

We import over 90% of our food and use the dollar as our currency, the entire Somali economy is sustained by remittances from abroad.

In a mass deportation scenario of millions that critical lifeline is cut, whatever money the Deportees come with will soon run out as it's spent on things we import from abroad, we have a massive trade deficit with all countries, we produce nothing and can't with the highest energy cost in the world.

All that money instead of circulating in the country will leave the country quickly and you will see mass starvation like we never experienced before, as we can't feed ourselves and have no money to import that 90% of our food we currently import. (Much more needed with millions of new comers)

The military and police are the only ones heavily armed and they consist of the worst of our society, so your lucky if they kill you before starvation does.

What makes the situation even more grim is that all the rich farm land are in the hands of the western backed khawariij shabab, infrastructure is so bad that even now the 10% we make a lot of it rots in the trucks when you have little rain fall.

To even have a chance at surviving this you need survival skills, be heavily armed, have great like minded community, have solar, move out the cities and live of sea life, even then your chances are slim as the hordes will likely find you, and eventually your bullets will run out.

In a mass deportation scenario Somalia is the worst place to go, unless you want to die a horrible death.

This is coming from someone who has lived there and also married there, it's a terrible choice, the people there are much worse then you think, there is a reason why their predicament is the way it is, the diaspora Somalis are angels in comparison to the average citizen their.

 

[Angelina]

None of those skills will save you.

We import over 90% of our food and use the dollar as our currency, the entire Somali economy is sustained by remittances from abroad.

In a mass deportation scenario of millions that critical lifeline is cut, whatever money the Deportees come with will soon run out as it's spent on things we import from abroad, we have a massive trade deficit with all countries, we produce nothing and can't with the highest energy cost in the world.

All that money instead of circulating in the country will leave the country quickly and you will see mass starvation like we never experienced before, as we can't feed ourselves and have no money to import that 90% of our food we currently import. (Much more needed with millions of new comers)

The military and police are the only ones heavily armed and they consist of the worst of our society, so your lucky if they kill you before starvation does.

What makes the situation even more grim is that all the rich farm land are in the hands of the western backed khawariij shabab, infrastructure is so bad that even now the 10% we make a lot of it rots in the trucks when you have little rain fall.

To even have a chance at surviving this you need survival skills, be heavily armed, have great like minded community, have solar, move out the cities and live of sea life, even then your chances are slim as the hordes will likely find you, and eventually your bullets will run out.

In a mass deportation scenario Somalia is the worst place to go, unless you want to die a horrible death.

This is coming from someone who has lived there and also married there, it's a terrible choice.

Thank you,

You are clearly someone who has been back home and stayed long enough to see how things really are. This is also my take as well to the T.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Thank you,

You are clearly someone who has been back home and stayed long enough to see how things really are. This is also my take as well to the T.

I anticipated everything except the people, I knew they were of low quality, but its much lower then a normal human can fathom.

You can't build anything for them, they will kill you out of xasad like that poor diaspora female that came to help, they killed countless Somali engineers that came to help just out of pure xasad, some of those stories would make your stomach churn.

If you escape murder and extortion you will not escape sixir, it's so rife in that society you would never think they are Muslims, its especially rife with the minority tribes that everyone collectively looks down on, its a lifestyle and they do it to you for no reason other then pure xasad.

It doesn't matter were you travel in Somalia it's the same, I spent a significant amount of time doing ruqiyah on myself on a daily basis because the attacks were relentless, and I am told most people that are able to function do this, on every street corner there is an exorcist centre, can't go for a walk without hearing demonic screams.

You try to paint your house and within minutes a police officer comes to extort you, your own neighbours that smiles at you calls them and they split the difference.

The entire society in that country is rotten to the core, I came out of that long experience with increased faith and a renewed love, it was the manifestation of the verse that Allah DOES NOT OPPRESS HIS SLAVES but they OPPRESS themselves, and also how vast his mercy is, because I would have wiped those people out.

When the infidel atheist argues against the existence of God citing suffering around the world, HE HAS NO IDEA why these people suffer, had he experienced the brutality they inflict on each other and poor animals, he himself would have wiped them out.

This is not exclusive to Somalia only, all impoverished nations this type of thing is rife, but what Somalia is unique in, is that its citizens will kill you if you embark on any major development project that benefits them, something other impoverished nations welcome and celebrate.

The tragic story is that usually in impoverished nations like Somalia, it always produces the best women that are most resilient, while it does the opposite to the male's.

Here in the West we have the opposite problems, affluent societies destroy women, they become less traditional, less resilient more materialistic and the worst of all incredibly ungrateful.

 

[Angelina]

I anticipated everything except the people, I knew they were of low quality, but its much lower then a normal human can fathom.

You can't build anything for them, they will kill you out of xasad like that poor diaspora female that came to help, they killed countless Somali engineers that came to help just out of pure xasad, some of those stories would make your stomach churn.

If you escape murder and extortion you will not escape sixir, it's so rife in that society you would never think they are Muslims, its especially rife with the minority tribes that everyone collectively looks down on, its a lifestyle and they do it to you for no reason other then pure xasad.

It doesn't matter were you travel in Somalia it's the same, I spent a significant amount of time doing ruqiyah on myself on a daily basis because the attacks were relentless, and I am told most people that are able to function do this, on every street corner there is an exorcist centre, can't go for a walk without hearing demonic screams.

You try to paint your house and within minutes a police officer comes to extort you, your own neighbours that smiles at you calls them and they split the difference.

The entire society in that country is rotten to the core, I came out of that long experience with increased faith and a renewed love, it was the manifestation of the verse that Allah DOES NOT OPPRESS HIS SLAVES but they OPPRESS themselves, and also how vast his mercy is, because I would have wiped those people out.

When the infidel atheist argues against the existence of God citing suffering around the world, HE HAS NO IDEA why these people suffer, had he experienced the brutality they inflict on each other and poor animals, he himself would have wiped them out.

This is not exclusive to Somalia only, all impoverished nations this type of thing is rife, but what Somalia is unique in, is that its citizens will kill you if you embark on any major development project that benefits them, something other impoverished nations welcome and celebrate.

The tragic story is that usually in impoverished nations like Somalia, it always produces the best women that are most resilient, while it does the opposite to the male's.

Here in the West we have the opposite problems, affluent societies destroy women, they become less traditional, less resilient more materialistic and the worst of all incredibly ungrateful.

Like many men like you, you only respect a woman's resilience when she is in dire poverty. When women are middle-class working professionals—teachers, doctors, nurses, business owners—you see them as a threat to your masculinity. The reason you view them as ungrateful is because, now that they are financially independent, they no longer rely on you for survival. This forces you to offer more than just your passport and a meager $400, which irritates you to your core.

On the other hand, the resilient women back home, who work tirelessly due to poverty, are grateful for even the smallest contribution because every penny you provide becomes a lifeline for them. This creates a sense of dependency, which you equate with gratitude. It's rooted in the idea of Maslow's hierarchy of needs:

You want women to be stuck in the lower levels—focused on their physiological needs (food, water, shelter) and security. In contrast, Western women, or even upper-middle-class Somali women back home, are more likely to need and expect things beyond mere survival: love, respect, companionship, and emotional support. Since they can provide for their basic needs themselves, they can demand more, and in your eyes, this is where their so-called "ungratefulness" stems from. "How dare she want more?"



As for materialism it is a fact that women back home care more about a man’s provision than Western raised women. It is a fact that it’s women back home who will date men and ask for money straight up. Watch this video. This is such a common thing back home and that men that women talk to even have a name: Danyeer. It’s such a common issue that fob men like Xaaliye who have never been to the West now have grudges against women back home. Fob women in Nairobi even beat him because he suggested that men shouldn’t give women money whilst courting. This is such basic advise for us Westerners and women like myself raised in the West would be too mortified to ask a man who we are not married to for money. That’s why I think your hatred of diaspora women is so easy to see because you miss basic things that people that go back home and interact with locals can tell you for free. But again it mostly goes back to the Moslaw's law of hierarchy which I explained.

Watch this:


Another aspect that blinds you is basic economics and currency differences. The thing is, the only reason why you as a diaspora men do not see women asking for money off the bat as materialism is because of your passport and privilege. A $100 here and there means nothing, but if a diaspora female who earns that in less than a day wanted something on her economic level you’ll bulk. Ironically, diaspora women don’t even ask men for expensive stuff generally since expecting stuff on that magnitude from men you’re not married to is seen distasteful.

Another point that I know you’re thinking:
If you’re going to bring up weddings and costs, then you’re misguided, Somalis have the cheapest Weddings and Mehr of any Muslim group. Speak to an Arab man, look at the obscene amounts a middle class Pakistani family spend on weddings that are a 3 day affair?

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The reason why I believe that your bias was comes from a place of hurt and or misogyny is because it’s so easy to deconstruct your argument and tbh what’s fascinating is that you don’t say anything different to most misogynistic men. Speak to a misogynistic man back home and he will tell you Somali women back home are ungrateful, example Xaliye, speak to an Indian man in India who lives in the most r-word and unsafe capital and misogynistic society ever and you’ll now see dozens of them calling Indian women ungrateful on twitter.

 

[johnsepei5]

Anywhere but Somalia

I can’t ever see myself growing old and dying in Somalia

Tahrib is the most popular thing in Somalia with good reason thousands of Somalis leave Somalia each year. Their older generation betrayed them and their future grandchildren so they have no choice but to flee and build something for themselves and their future descendants, in a foreign land

 

[Angelina]

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[Inquisitive_]

Like many men like you, you only respect resilience when the women are in dire poverty. When the women are middle class working women, you see it as a direct threat to your masculinity. As for materialism it is a fact that women back home care more about a man’s provision than Western raised women. It is a fact that it’s women back home who will date men and ask for money straight up. Watch this video. This is such a common thing back home and that men that women talk to even have a name: Danyeer. It’s such a common issue that fob men like Xaaliye who have never been to the West now have grudges against women back home. That’s why I think your hatred of diaspora women is so easy to see because you miss basic things that go back home and interact with locals can tell you for free.

Watch this:


Fob women in Kenya are even worse. The thing is, the only reason why you as a diaspora men do not see women asking for money off the bat as materialism is because of your passport and privilege. A $100 here and there means nothing, but if a diaspora female who earns that in less than a day wanted something on her level you’ll bulk.

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I have no love for the boomer and Gen X generations, they have let us down, I am even willing to concede and give a higher percentage blame on the male's of that generation, much of your examples are focused on them.

But let us deal with our current generation, mainly millennials and also Gen Z, even the Gen X and Boomer women agree with me, the male's are far better then the female's in those generations, none of the classical problems you highlight affect them.

Like many men like you, you only respect resilience when the women are in dire poverty. When the women are middle class working women, you see it as a direct threat to your masculinity. As for materialism it is a fact that women back home care more about a man’s provision than Western raised women.

I did not marry a women in poverty back home, she is from an affluent family with a better lifestyle then most diaspora female's in the UK.

As for the masculinity question it takes 10x the cajones to deal with Xaalimo's back home then it does in the West which is cake walk.

I do agree with you on one thing, those that marry back home and don't bring their wife and kids due to fear that she might become like the diaspora chicks, yes that guy has a masculinity issues.

But that doesn't apply to me or the countless others that spent a fortune and had go through courts to bring them, they will also tell you that it requires 10x more masculinity and 5x the finances, and countless patience as it can take years.

It is a fact that it’s women back home who will date men and ask for money straight up. Watch this video. This is such a common thing back home and that men that women talk to even have a name: Danyeer. It’s such a common issue that fob men like Xaaliye

That guy and his ilk to me are beta males and I am in agreement with you on him, we established that before.

As for asking for money, I have spoken to many women from both, and I was only ever asked for money by diaspora female's, I haven't encountered this in Somalia, but of course it exists and they will usually do this when they have no respect for you, hence why it takes more masculinity, even the female's in the diaspora take advantage of those male's.

In the Gulf, many of the businesses in Souq Dahab are owned by older Western diaspora Somali women,

This is again boomer and Gen X, I have conceded on that and I think it's shameless, but show me wide spread examples of millennials doing this? you won't find it.

Fob women in Kenya are even worse. The thing is, the only reason why you as a diaspora men do not see women asking for money off the bat as materialism is because of your passport and privilege. A $100 here and there means nothing, but if a diaspora female who earns that in less than a day wanted something on her level you’ll bulk.

I agree with you Kenya is the worst, it's widely known even in Somalia, let me take it a little further.

I will concede to you that the bad female's in both Kenya and Somalia, are 10x worse than the worst ones you can find among the diaspora.

There are no averages in those places, just very good women or devilish ones, the averages are found in the diaspora, think of it as a bell curve.

Ungratefulness would be if they were being provided for and turnt their nose up but they don’t. The unfortunate reality is that before Somalis were being subsidized by the Gov, now in the UK most Somali hooyos after decades of benefits and Gov help work in care and the younger generation of women are actually educated professional hence your point about the women being ungrateful is a joke.

Again you keep referencing boomer and Gen X, the two pathetic generations that have let us down, I have already conceded on that.

There is no millennial equivalent and you know this, those men take care of their children by and large and work.

The Somali millennial male generation, is the golden generation along with Gen Z we ever had, yet they are lead down in a massive way by the female's who are the worst generation we have seen so far. (even the Boomer and Gen X women agree who mainly are responsible for marrying off their sons in Somalia)

The bad males in that generation (millennials) unlike the Boomer and Gen X are not hidden, they are visible and easily identifiable, so you can avoid them.

I call them ungrateful because they don't realise this, back home and everywhere else the Xaalimo's know this, they deal with terrible shitty heartless male's, so when they get exposed to the Golden goose generation you constantly sh** on, they are in disbelief and very protective over it.

The girl I married has 6 sisters, all of them still married, 3 of them are married to men in the diaspora, the other 3 men are locally from Somalia who are good men, the Father is a wealthy business guy in no need of finances, after he saw the character of two diaspora guys and the VIP treatments his daughter's got (constant holidays) & seeing how happy they were, he only wanted diaspora male for his last daughter.

They all recognise the wonder when they see it except you and the other diaspora females who wreck their homes over useless stuff, no resilience to even bare a little hardship which every marriage comes with.

 

[Inquisitive_]

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I agree with you and the same applies to the male's, fierce competition for resources and rampant corruption/violence makes them heartless and generally turns them into shitty male's.

Environment plays a huge factor in both, you have pro's and con's on both sides, the male's there are tougher and more street smart then their diaspora counterparts, the female's are more street smart and resilient then their diaspora counterparts.

My argument is simple, environment dictates everything, and that means the chick back home in that tough environment by average will always have more resiliency then her diaspora counterpart.

This resiliency makes her a better wife and mother then her diaspora counterpart.

The daacidnimo and doqonimo argument you are making for the diaspora is true, but I am arguing that's to their detriment, that doqonimo (daacidnimo) is what leads them to destroy their households over petty things.

Where as the devil counterpart from Kenya that got the golden goose would not destroy her household over that, the worst she will do is extract a pound of flesh.

Environment is everything and dictates the outcomes far more then parental upbringing, and the environment in the west is not conducive to Xaalimo's when it comes to being a Wife and even Mother.

 

[Angelina]

I have no love for the boomer and Gen X generations, they have let us down, I am even willing to concede and give a higher percentage blame on the male's of that generation, much of your examples are focused on them.

But let us deal with our current generation, mainly millennials and also Gen Z, even the Gen X and Boomer women agree with me, the male's are far better then the female's in those generations, none of the classical problems you highlight affect them.

They are not the golden generation. The women on average are more educated than them and out earn them. I’m a late millenial and I grew up with dozens of boys who squandered their education with many working as security and taxi drivers. They’re not bad men, but they didn’t take advantage and their parents gave them too much freedom. I’d say it’s Gen Z who are the golden ones but we will wait and see since they’re still young and most aren’t even married, same with their female counterparts.

I did not marry a women in poverty back home, she is from an affluent family with a better lifestyle then most diaspora female's in the UK.

As for the masculinity question it takes 10x the cajones to deal with Xaalimo's back home then it does in the West which is cake walk.

I do agree with you on one thing, those that marry back home and don't bring their wife and kids due to fear that she might become like the diaspora chicks, yes that guy has a masculinity issues.

But that doesn't apply to me or the countless others that spent a fortune and had go through courts to bring them, they will also tell you that it requires 10x more masculinity and 5x the finances, and countless patience as it can take years.

That guy and his ilk to me are beta males and I am in agreement with you on him, we established that before.

As for asking for money, I have spoken to many women from both, and I was only ever asked for money by diaspora female's, I haven't encountered this in Somalia, but of course it exists and they will usually do this when they have no respect for you, hence why it takes more masculinity, even the female's in the diaspora take advantage of those male's.

I do not believe this, you’ve been asked for money by fob diaspora woman. I was born and raised in the West, surrounded by doctors, lawyers, teacher and those in tech, they without doubt would not ask a man for money. You’re older, I know you’re pushing 40 hence the type you deal with are women who are semi fobs brought to the country as teens and who don’t necessarily have jobs. We are not of the same generation

This is again boomer and Gen X, I have conceded on that and I think it's shameless, but show me wide spread examples of millennials doing this? you won't find it.

I agree with you Kenya is the worst, it's widely known even in Somalia, let me take it a little further.

I will concede to you that the bad female's in both Kenya and Somalia, are 10x worse than the worst ones you can find among the diaspora.

There are no averages in those places, just very good women or devilish ones, the averages are found in the diaspora, think of it as a bell curve.

Again you keep referencing boomer and Gen X, the two pathetic generations that have let us down, I have already conceded on that.

There is no millennial equivalent and you know this, those men take care of their children by and large and work.

The Somali millennial male generation, is the golden generation along with Gen Z we ever had, yet they are lead down in a massive way by the female's who are the worst generation we have seen so far. (even the Boomer and Gen X women agree who mainly are responsible for marrying off their sons in Somalia)

The bad males in that generation (millennials) unlike the Boomer and Gen X are not hidden, they are visible and easily identifiable, so you can avoid them.

I call them ungrateful because they don't realise this, back home and everywhere else the Xaalimo's know this, they deal with terrible shitty heartless male's, so when they get exposed to the Golden goose generation you constantly sh** on, they are in disbelief and very protective over it.

The girl I married has 6 sisters, all of them still married, 3 of them are married to men in the diaspora, the other 3 men are locally from Somalia who are good men, the Father is a wealthy business guy in no need of finances, after he saw the character of two diaspora guys and the VIP treatments his daughter's got (constant holidays) & seeing how happy they were, he only wanted diaspora male for his last daughter.

They all recognise the wonder when they see it except you and the other diaspora females who wreck their homes over useless stuff, no resilience to even bare a little hardship which every marriage comes with.

Girls raised in the diaspora mostly work. Hence your point is moot. Our biggest issue as a diaspora isn’t relationship issues contrary to your argument, it’s lack of marriages.

It’s evident you’re late millennial nearly Gen X, therefore the dispora women you dealt with are semi fobs who had the worst characteristic of back home and the worst of the West.

 

[Angelina]

I agree with you and the same applies to the male's, fierce competition for resources and rampant corruption/violence makes them heartless and generally turns them into shitty male's.

Environment plays a huge factor in both, you have pro's and con's on both sides, the male's there are tougher and more street smart then their diaspora counterparts, the female's are more street smart and resilient then their diaspora counterparts.

My argument is simple, environment dictates everything, and that means the chick back home in that tough environment by average will always have more resiliency then her diaspora counterpart.

This resiliency makes her a better wife and mother then her diaspora counterpart.

The daacidnimo and doqonimo argument you are making for the diaspora is true, but I am arguing that's to their detriment, that doqonimo (daacidnimo) is what leads them to destroy their households over petty things.

You’re contradicting yourself. If that’s the case why I have read old rants from you about the older gen and the whole ‘bac madow’ fiasco which is basically women who were raised back home ‘destroying’ their marriages? This is the issue with misogyny, it doesn’t follow logic.

Where as the devil counterpart from Kenya that got the golden goose would not destroy her household over that, the worst she will do is extract a pound of flesh.

Environment is everything and dictates the outcomes far more then parental upbringing, and the environment in the west is not conducive to Xaalimo's when it comes to being a Wife and even Mother.

No, it actually doesn’t since the divorce rates even with recent fob women is very high. Thats why I can’t take your argument seriously. It’s one of the main reasons why most men who marry from back don’t want to bring their wives here.

 

[Inquisitive_]

I do not believe this, you’ve been asked for money by fob diaspora woman. I was born and raised in the West, surrounded by doctors, lawyers, teacher and those in tech, they without doubt would not ask a man for money. You’re older, I know you’re pushing 40 hence the type you deal with are women who are semi fins brought to the country as teens and who don’t necessarily have jobs. We are not of the same gen.

I am not pushing 40, have a half a decade to go for that.

Those girls were not Fobs and these events happened over a decade ago, they were in their early 20's, but it doesn't prove anything either way, just saying I was never asked by those back home.

Girls raised in the diaspora mostly work. Hence your point is moot. Our biggest issue as a diaspora isn’t relationship issues contrary to your argument, it’s lack of marriages.

Which point is moot? as soon as I asked you to talk about our generation, your writing has shrunk considerably and your ready to go why am I not surprised. Hey At least you acknowledged the Golden Generation.

 

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

I have no love for the boomer and Gen X generations, they have let us down, I am even willing to concede and give a higher percentage blame on the male's of that generation, much of your examples are focused on them.

But let us deal with our current generation, mainly millennials and also Gen Z, even the Gen X and Boomer women agree with me, the male's are far better then the female's in those generations, none of the classical problems you highlight affect them.


I did not marry a women in poverty back home, she is from an affluent family with a better lifestyle then most diaspora female's in the UK.

As for the masculinity question it takes 10x the cajones to deal with Xaalimo's back home then it does in the West which is cake walk.

I do agree with you on one thing, those that marry back home and don't bring their wife and kids due to fear that she might become like the diaspora chicks, yes that guy has a masculinity issues.

But that doesn't apply to me or the countless others that spent a fortune and had go through courts to bring them, they will also tell you that it requires 10x more masculinity and 5x the finances, and countless patience as it can take years.

That guy and his ilk to me are beta males and I am in agreement with you on him, we established that before.

As for asking for money, I have spoken to many women from both, and I was only ever asked for money by diaspora female's, I haven't encountered this in Somalia, but of course it exists and they will usually do this when they have no respect for you, hence why it takes more masculinity, even the female's in the diaspora take advantage of those male's.

This is again boomer and Gen X, I have conceded on that and I think it's shameless, but show me wide spread examples of millennials doing this? you won't find it.

I agree with you Kenya is the worst, it's widely known even in Somalia, let me take it a little further.

I will concede to you that the bad female's in both Kenya and Somalia, are 10x worse than the worst ones you can find among the diaspora.

There are no averages in those places, just very good women or devilish ones, the averages are found in the diaspora, think of it as a bell curve.

Again you keep referencing boomer and Gen X, the two pathetic generations that have let us down, I have already conceded on that.

There is no millennial equivalent and you know this, those men take care of their children by and large and work.

The Somali millennial male generation, is the golden generation along with Gen Z we ever had, yet they are lead down in a massive way by the female's who are the worst generation we have seen so far. (even the Boomer and Gen X women agree who mainly are responsible for marrying off their sons in Somalia)

The bad males in that generation (millennials) unlike the Boomer and Gen X are not hidden, they are visible and easily identifiable, so you can avoid them.

I call them ungrateful because they don't realise this, back home and everywhere else the Xaalimo's know this, they deal with terrible shitty heartless male's, so when they get exposed to the Golden goose generation you constantly sh** on, they are in disbelief and very protective over it.

The girl I married has 6 sisters, all of them still married, 3 of them are married to men in the diaspora, the other 3 men are locally from Somalia who are good men, the Father is a wealthy business guy in no need of finances, after he saw the character of two diaspora guys and the VIP treatments his daughter's got (constant holidays) & seeing how happy they were, he only wanted diaspora male for his last daughter.

They all recognise the wonder when they see it except you and the other diaspora females who wreck their homes over useless stuff, no resilience to even bare a little hardship which every marriage comes with.

That's one thing some people forget. That someone back home, are living better and more comfortable lives then women in the west.

Who is living more comfortable the woman who has her bills paid, as well as having a maid to help with housework. Or the women living in the west working full time and having to pay 50/50 with her partner. I personally would say the one back home in Africa with the maid and all bills paid.

This idea women back home are oppressed isn't neccerally true. Yes oppression does exist but many women live very comfortable lives where they are treated very well by their husnands

 

[Inquisitive_]

You’re contradicting yourself. If that’s the case why I have read old rants from you about the older gen and the whole ‘bac madow’ fiasco which is basically women who were raised back home ‘destroying’ their marriages? This is the issue with misogyny, it doesn’t follow logic.

No, it actually doesn’t since the divorce rates even with recent fob women is very high. Thats why I can’t take your argument seriously. It’s one of the main reasons why most men who marry from back don’t want to bring their wives here.

Again failed Gen X and Boomers examples who go back to marry younger chicks, for some reason you are struggling to cite any millennial examples or Gen Z, or stick to our generation.

 

[Angelina]

I am not pushing 40, have a half a decade to go for that.

Ah but your gen were mostly born back home? I’m more than half a decade younger.

Those girls were not Fobs and these events happened over a decade ago, they were in their early 20's, but it doesn't prove anything either way, just saying I was never asked by those back home.

I’m a late millennial, 10 years ago I was in sixth form going to uni. You’re telling me teen years or early twenties were asking their counterpart boys for money when working and studying at the same time was normal for my generation?

Which point is moot? as soon as I asked you to talk about our generation, your writing has shrunk considerably and your ready to go why am I not surprised. Hey At least you acknowledged the Golden Generation.

Young man, I’ve seen you in threads for years as a teen talking about things I wouldn’t have thought about at 16. You’re deffo older. You’ve been on here for at least nearly 10 yrs and a twenty yr old man won’t be talking the way you’re talking about.

My writing has shrunk considerably due to disbelief. You want me to believe say Wallahi UK girls are asking money like fob women?

you’re around 36 to 40. I’ve nailed you. Most of your gen are semi fobs.

 

[Angelina]

That's one thing some people forget. That someone back home, are living better and more comfortable lives then women in the west.

Who is living more comfortable the woman who has her bills paid, as well as having a maid to help with housework. Or the women living in the west working full time and having to pay 50/50 with her partner. I personally would say the one back home in Africa with the maid and all bills paid.

This idea women back home are oppressed isn't neccerally true. Yes oppression does exist but many women live very comfortable lives where they are treated very well by their husnands

I was specific to talk about working class women back home and tbh they’re not more comfortable if their fathers don’t have money. I have seen the fall from grace. I have seen women from back home having their bills paid by diaspora men and then divorced and having to give up children post divorce and even having those kids being given to random relatives as punishment.

There is no such privileges if you’re dependent and can’t take yourself out of the lurch, that’s what a smart woman learns which is why the cleaver ones amongst them makes it a requirement that he buys her house and she writes her name on it.

You boys have a lot to learn.

 

[Angelina]

Again failed Gen X and Boomers examples who go back to marry younger chicks, for some reason you are struggling to cite any millennial examples or Gen Z, or stick to our generation.

No, I’m talking about older Gen X Somali mothers who you believe have destroyed their marriages. These women were raised in Somalia and came to the West as adult women and are trad. Why are the divorce rates high for that gen?

Our gen don’t have high divorce rates, we have low marriage rates and very late marriages, that’s our issue especially amongst the highly educated.

 

[Angelina]

@Inquisitive_

Another contradiction, what street smarts and qualities would a woman raised back home from an affluent family who had maids and hardly any responsibilities have that’s different from a Western women if not worse? What gives women in Somalia their edge and street smarts which you seem to like is the responsibilities given to them from early and other things mostly associated with their working class or lower middle class upbringing. My cousins in Xamar raised in an upper middle class home even like the same K-pop as my younger sisters and hardly venture out and don’t even do any housework.

A girl in the West who studied and worked from 18 probably has more smarts and then one who has two maids at home.

Your constant contraction is fascinating to behold. The very qualities you love about back home people and you marry someone shielded from truly having any of that. Furthermore, those qualities you like comes from having to graft hence I can imagine that your wife has similar levels of daacadnimo of a Western raised one which is why you took the plunge to bring her.