Is federalism 'treaty' good or bad for .So?

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

You’ll have to explain further, what specially has not been participatory and inclusive?

I have showed how many levels of participation have been taken. And that it is now open to the public to participate after participation and inclusion of national leaders, parliamentarians, judiciary, civil society.

You’ll also have to expand how this above has broken power sharing?

See if you could consult the following articles:

Article 54: Allocation of powers

Article 137: Review of the Constitution of Fed. Rep. afer raticication by referendum.

Article 139: Continuation of the Laws.

Article 142: Existing Fed. Member States

Article 132, title (1), of Chapter 15: Amending the Constitution.

a) After you have done so, are you convinced what is being done was participatory, and inclusive?

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

This is centralism. MJ are correct to reject this farce

Madoobe & Xamse signed this.

According to reliable sources at villa Kismayo, I do not think either was aware of what was being proposed, but that is a conversation for another day, and were taken in by nationalist narrative.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

This is now in the hands of the Independent Constitution Review Committee

Who appointed the 'Independent' Committee? And under which Article(s) was their appointment filed?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Federalism must be ratified by PL govt and SFG not NCC or mogadishu parliament according to constitution. So anything outside out of puntland recognising it makes it null and void.

Any federalism outside puntland model will be illegal. You can't create your federalism and not follow the constitutional framework. Puntland has special status inside federal and state constitution. Puntland is independent untill such time puntland recognise it at a state level.

E very commitee or law they pass in that kangaroo state or parliament is not legal in puntland. It will all be scrapped by landheer puntland and that's constitutional law

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha NCC or mogadishu parliament or villa somalia has no jurisdiction over puntland. Puntland is legally independent according to federal and state constitution. Any political settlement or law must be recognized by puntland govt. Until such time the federal govt follows the law puntland is independent. You can't do political moryanism and work outside this constitutional legality. Puntland status is stipulated in the federal constitution.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha NCC or mogadishu parliament or villa somalia has no jurisdiction over puntland. Puntland is legally independent according to federal and state constitution. Any political settlement or law must be recognized by puntland govt. You can't do moryanism and work outside this constitutional reality.

PL can not partake. It isn’t important to the FGS as it’s a small minority of the country . Similar to how SL doesn’t recognise Somalia, koonfurta will move on without them

 

[DR OSMAN]

PL can not partake. It isn’t important to the FGS as it’s a small minority of the country . Similar to how SL doesn’t recognise Somalia, koonfurta will move on without them

Please be patient with puntland. the constitution you recognize has settled their status. If you don't follow the federal constiution your govt will have no legal status and is no longer a govt. Stop being a political moryan and creating NCC or passing laws in mogadishu as it will be all scrapped when PL and the SFG finalize constitution.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Biden you know why I know puntland is landheer? You hags always hide or do political moryanism like NCC or pass laws in the sfg. You also run overseas like a laangaab. Why go to such length if pl is not superior and your not scared. Face a warrior like warrior following rules of engagement sharciga not be ghetto thug.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@Biden you know why I know puntland is landheer? You hags always hide or do political moryanism like NCC or pass laws in the sfg. You also run overseas like a laangaab. Why go to such length if pl is not superior and your not scared.

PL was laandheere in Shariif’s time when Garowe 1 and 2 happened. I’ll give you that unfortunately you had a lot of sway with the South under Shabaab

But HSM is correcting this. There’ll no longer be Garowe 1 and 2 as you are just any other state. Come to Xamar to sign the papers and get financial reward or we’ll leave you behind

 

[DR OSMAN]

PL was laandheere in Shariif’s time when Garowe 1 and 2 happened. I’ll give you that unfortunately you had a lot of sway with the South under Shabaab

But HSM is correcting this. There’ll no longer be Garowe 1 and 2 as you are just any other state. Come to Xamar to sign the papers and get financial reward or we’ll leave you behind

You can't deny your constitution and puntland status without you losing your federal govt status. If You deny it then you no longer federal govt. No man or parliament in mogadishu can change it without smiting itself in the process. Your in a political checkmate

 

[bidenkulaha]

You can't deny your constitution and puntland status without you losing your federal govt status. If You deny it then you no longer federal govt. No man in mogadishu can change it without smiting itself in the process. Your in a political checkmate

There’s no checkmate, we don’t have to wait long for this process to reach the final stages. A vote in SFG parliament

 

[DR OSMAN]

There’s no checkmate, we don’t have to wait long for this process to reach the final stages. A vote in SFG parliament

Any vote in parliament cant change it because the clause says it must be recognized by puntland. That's the check mate. Just come to garowe stop being laangaab and moryan. Don't smite yourself by not following constitution.if you don't follow it. Your parliament and govt has lost status hasanadi is gone and your mogadishu local govt overnight

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bide


Any vote in parliament cant change it because the clause says it must be recognized by puntland. That's the check mate. Just come to garowe stop being laangaab and moryan. Don't smite yourself by not following constitution.if you don't follow it. Your parliament and govt has lost status.

No such clause is in the constitution.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@biden no clause? The parliament falls under constiution so does courts and govt. The constiution is supreme. Puntland clause says anything done by the mogadishu is null and void. Because everything has to be ratified by puntland parliament. Even deni cant do anything if he sign anything if it doesn't go thru parliament of puntland. Read constiution carefully. Two men cant do shit to make agreement without puntland parliament ratifying it. So if you want to win get puntland parliament to ratify it or else it will be illegal or just replaced. Two president agreement has no legality. The parliament will override it in the future. They only sign agreement for bribe but it will never be law and replaced later

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha the federal constiution applies to all federal organs not just govt but parliament and court.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Biden federal parliament just want bribes but they know it will all be scrapped when puntland and the feds finalised their relationship. Even Somaliland must be present. Till then everything is just temporary status. When puntland and somaliland parliament ratify any agreement with federal govt till then its all temporary status law and the feds know this.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@Biden federal parliament just want bribes but they know it will all be scrapped when puntland and the feds finalised their relationship. Even Somaliland must be present. Till then everything is just temporary status

Why are you begging for an agreement? Like I said we can go our separate ways. You can be autonomous while South Central Somalia continue with our own constitution.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Why are you begging for an agreement? Like I said we can go our separate ways. You can be autonomous while South Central Somalia continue with our own constitution.

@Biden It's the constitutional law that puntland and Somaliland must ratify any agreement and law through its state parliament. Till then its not national but temporary and localised laws agreement. It's safety measure to ensure two men thru personal interest or bribe dont sell out their region future. That's why everything must be ratified by regional and federal parliament. Till then if only regional or federal presidents sign deal its not legal and will be scrapped if they dont get their all parliament to sign it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha do you lack logic? One side cant reach agreement with itself. All regional parliament must ratify all laws or else its not federal law. They only do what their doing right now to fool people and suck on bribes but they know what their doing will be cancelled because all parliament didn't ratify it which constiution demands
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[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha do you lack logic? One side cant reach agreement with itself. All parliament must ratify all laws or else its not federal law.
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Horta what are you going to do? The constitution will be changed by SFG parliament who has the ultimate power.

You can go your separate way like SL and losing access to IC projects. Good luck. It would be great to select your 48 MPs in Xamar