Isaaq genocide narrative

[Rayaale]

Low iq thread

 

[Idilinaa]

I'm not here to talk about the political aspect. Siad did obviously kill a lot of issaqs. But recently watched what happned in plaestnia and lascanood has me wondering. Even the lowest estimates you often here from people talking about the isaaq genocide is 50,000 people. That came mainly from bombing the cities. But when you think about that number that's about how many people died in palestine in the first few months( it's obviously higher now) where they were subjected to massive bombing everyday and they couldn't escape Gaza. How would siad barre who obviously didn't have as many bombs been able to kill that many people ? Especially when they woukd have been able to flee right after the first couple bombs. I mean look how everybody in lascanood was gone within a few days. Yet siad barre was able to kill that many people that quickly? It doesn't make sense

Simple answer he didn't kill that many people. I don't know what the real number casualties are but it certaintly wasn't 50 -200k or whatever exaggerated wikipedia estimates they make up.

There was no Isaaq genocide. Those numbers are not independently verified and most would have probably died of famine and starvation due to the deteriorating situation in the North which not only affected the city but the general country side which was insecure. Others died in the decades/years after from the infighting after the governments collapse.

It was one insurgent group SNM attacking the north blowing things up, doing several combined attack with the Ethiopian army, massacring people in their homes and doing general terrorist acts and it was the Somali national army defending against it. The government was 100% in a defense posture throughout it and launching counter offensives , they were reacting to unprovoked attacks.

SNM was founded in Ethiopia and was using Ethiopia as a base to launch attacks from while the people in the in northern Somalia suffered from a counter offensive, , destroying refugee camps, somali towns in Ethiopia, highjacking planes/ships and preventing humanitarian aid, kidnapped refugee workers, hostage taking , assassinating officials and innocent people, causing people to flee.

The SNM even launched combined attack with Ethiopian Army on Borama , killing a bunch of school children, and caused 80.000 people to flee .They blowed up hospitals and building in Hargeisa.

They would do hit and run, while innocent people suffered from a counter offensive. SNM would wear plain clothing and hide amongst the civilian population, in order to bring the civilian population into it and provoke the Somali government.

They jumped on roof tops of various houses and buildings , with machines guns and rocket launchers shooting at people, before the government resorted to Arial assaults targeting them from above.

We have various eye witness accounts, monitoring groups and local testimonies from the populations living there to support this.

The supplies to the north was cut off by the southern insurgent groups and not by the government that was battling the government because the same national army in the north was dying from starvation as well towards last year or two.

If we ignore the unverifiable numbers, which make no sense and evaluate the governments response, there is several things that prove that this was not a genocide.

1) Siad Barre is recorded to order restraint and leniency from his soldiers on the civilian populations

2) From the time of the first insurgency attack until they invaded in the two cities 1988 , the government avoided hitting population centers, gave clear warnings for people to flee and

3) The government payed compensation fees to families affected by the conflict

4) Allowed humanitarian aid & international workers into the area, UN inspectors , to provide relief.

5) The government built camps to house people in safe areas away from conflict.

6) He even tried to create avenues for peace treaties with SNM, reconcilation and open dialogue with them, constantly negotiating with them to end the fight. But they refused it. And even encouraged the US to lead effors of reconciliation and rehabilitation as a neutral third party. He even appointed various northern and other local leaders into a constitutional committee to achieve national reconciliation.

7) Siad Barre commisioned the two cities infrastructure to be rebuilt, hospitals and humanitarian facilitiaties and programmes etc. The united states donated 1 million and provided assistance distrubituted through the Somali government.


So in short there was not attempt made by the government to bring about the destruction of Isaaq or the north in general. It's just an easily disprovable lie . SNM sought to draw out the government to use civilians deaths as propaganda.

They also invent this mythology that they were able to defeat the government when they actually was defeated and repulsed each time and was only able to enter the cities a few moments after the central government collapse. After that they went on a hunting spree targeting innocent Somalis , infighting amongst their ranks and collectively punishing Somalis with unionist asperations. They had zero policy, vision or unitary governmental plan.

 

[DR OSMAN]

This was written by CHATGPT

The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Genocide is an international crime, according to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948). The acts that constitute genocide fall into five categories:

• Killing members of the group
• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part
• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Yes, the attacks by the Somali National Army (SNA) on the Isaaq population, particularly between 1987 and 1989, have widely been classified as genocide by several human rights organizations, scholars, and international observers. The events are commonly referred to as the "Isaaq Genocide," which included systematic mass killings, targeted bombings, torture, and other atrocities committed primarily against the Isaaq clan in northern Somalia (now Somaliland). Here are the key reasons why these attacks are classified as genocide:

1. Intent to Destroy, in Whole or in Part, a Specific Group​

• Genocide, as defined by the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, involves acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group. Evidence suggests that the Somali government under Siad Barre systematically targeted the Isaaq clan due to their support for the Somali National Movement (SNM) and their perceived opposition to Barre's regime.
• The scale and intensity of violence directed specifically at the Isaaq population—who were labeled as "enemies" of the state—suggest an intent to punish or eradicate the group, meeting the criteria for genocide.

2. Systematic Mass Killings and Bombing Campaigns​

• The SNA, alongside government-backed militias, conducted large-scale killings in Isaaq-majority cities such as Hargeisa and Burao. In 1988, government forces launched aerial bombings, artillery attacks, and other assaults on these cities, resulting in tens of thousands of civilian casualties and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Isaaq people.
• Hargeisa was almost completely destroyed, earning it the label "Africa's Hiroshima" due to the sheer devastation and loss of civilian life. The destruction of these urban centers specifically targeted areas predominantly inhabited by the Isaaq clan.

3. Use of Torture, Detention, and Execution​

• The Somali government engaged in arbitrary arrests, torture, and summary executions of Isaaq people, targeting community leaders, intellectuals, and anyone suspected of having ties to the SNM or simply for being of Isaaq descent.
• Mass graves have been uncovered in Somaliland, revealing evidence of systematic execution of civilians, further supporting the classification of these actions as genocide. Human rights organizations have documented these atrocities, describing them as a deliberate attempt to dismantle Isaaq society and eliminate its members.

4. Forced Displacement and Famine​

• The violence forced hundreds of thousands of Isaaq people to flee to Ethiopia and other regions, creating a humanitarian crisis. Those who remained faced severe food shortages, restricted movement, and deliberate deprivation policies that blocked aid from reaching Isaaq areas.
• The forced displacement, combined with destruction of infrastructure and agricultural resources, led to widespread starvation and suffering, part of a broader strategy to weaken the Isaaq community.

5. Ethnic Targeting and Propaganda​

• The Barre regime used propaganda to label the Isaaq as "traitors" and "anti-national elements," fostering an environment of hostility that justified attacks on Isaaq civilians. This targeting of the Isaaq population based on ethnic affiliation aligns with genocidal intent, as it sought to vilify and dehumanize an entire group.

6. International Recognition and Legal Implications​

• Numerous reports by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and other international organizations have characterized the atrocities committed against the Isaaq as genocide or crimes against humanity. Somaliland’s government has also made efforts to seek international recognition of these events as genocide.
• Mass grave excavations, testimonies from survivors, and documented evidence of state-planned attacks have been used to substantiate claims of genocide, even though no formal international tribunal has yet prosecuted these crimes.

7. Aftermath and Continued Recognition​

• The destruction and trauma experienced by the Isaaq community have had lasting effects, which contribute to the continued push for recognition of the genocide. Since the fall of Siad Barre's government, Somaliland has engaged in a process of documentation and memorialization to ensure that these atrocities are recognized as genocide.

In conclusion, the systematic and targeted nature of the SNA’s attacks on the Isaaq people, combined with the widespread evidence of intent to destroy the group, has led to the classification of these events as genocide. The violence inflicted upon the Isaaq community was not only intended to suppress a political insurgency but also to eradicate the Isaaq as a social and cultural entity, thereby meeting the international definition of genocide.

The term genocide came into human language after the holocaust and we know what a true genocide is judging by those events the systemic killing of un armed people just like the Jews were, if that isn't the case then every war between armies or between govt and rebels and terrorist can be described as genocide then which every country can be charged not just siyad hell no siyad is held to different standards socon mayso. These thugs noone harmed them untill they joined a foreign enemy menguistu which is strike 1 and became a domestic enemy of the state and violence is used on all those traitorous rebels across the world. Second strike was they initiated the war not siyad no problems existed for them prior 1982, that's a fact. Third strike is why isn't abi Ahmed in trial for Tigray and Amhara attacks? His defending his nation from tribal rebels, he is the nation leader, their tribal rebels, end of story and same thing existed for siyad as the state and snm were the clan rebel thugs

These clowns sell their shit without anyone standing up for truth due to Somali wokeism history.

You need to be in armed, non fighting, and civilian group on those grounds if your killed in large numbers that is a genocide to its true definition. None of those criteria are met by SNM @wonyluvr

 

[TheLand]

This was written by CHATGPT

The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Genocide is an international crime, according to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948). The acts that constitute genocide fall into five categories:

• Killing members of the group
• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part
• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Yes, the attacks by the Somali National Army (SNA) on the Isaaq population, particularly between 1987 and 1989, have widely been classified as genocide by several human rights organizations, scholars, and international observers. The events are commonly referred to as the "Isaaq Genocide," which included systematic mass killings, targeted bombings, torture, and other atrocities committed primarily against the Isaaq clan in northern Somalia (now Somaliland). Here are the key reasons why these attacks are classified as genocide:

1. Intent to Destroy, in Whole or in Part, a Specific Group​

• Genocide, as defined by the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, involves acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group. Evidence suggests that the Somali government under Siad Barre systematically targeted the Isaaq clan due to their support for the Somali National Movement (SNM) and their perceived opposition to Barre's regime.
• The scale and intensity of violence directed specifically at the Isaaq population—who were labeled as "enemies" of the state—suggest an intent to punish or eradicate the group, meeting the criteria for genocide.

2. Systematic Mass Killings and Bombing Campaigns​

• The SNA, alongside government-backed militias, conducted large-scale killings in Isaaq-majority cities such as Hargeisa and Burao. In 1988, government forces launched aerial bombings, artillery attacks, and other assaults on these cities, resulting in tens of thousands of civilian casualties and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Isaaq people.
• Hargeisa was almost completely destroyed, earning it the label "Africa's Hiroshima" due to the sheer devastation and loss of civilian life. The destruction of these urban centers specifically targeted areas predominantly inhabited by the Isaaq clan.

3. Use of Torture, Detention, and Execution​

• The Somali government engaged in arbitrary arrests, torture, and summary executions of Isaaq people, targeting community leaders, intellectuals, and anyone suspected of having ties to the SNM or simply for being of Isaaq descent.
• Mass graves have been uncovered in Somaliland, revealing evidence of systematic execution of civilians, further supporting the classification of these actions as genocide. Human rights organizations have documented these atrocities, describing them as a deliberate attempt to dismantle Isaaq society and eliminate its members.

4. Forced Displacement and Famine​

• The violence forced hundreds of thousands of Isaaq people to flee to Ethiopia and other regions, creating a humanitarian crisis. Those who remained faced severe food shortages, restricted movement, and deliberate deprivation policies that blocked aid from reaching Isaaq areas.
• The forced displacement, combined with destruction of infrastructure and agricultural resources, led to widespread starvation and suffering, part of a broader strategy to weaken the Isaaq community.

5. Ethnic Targeting and Propaganda​

• The Barre regime used propaganda to label the Isaaq as "traitors" and "anti-national elements," fostering an environment of hostility that justified attacks on Isaaq civilians. This targeting of the Isaaq population based on ethnic affiliation aligns with genocidal intent, as it sought to vilify and dehumanize an entire group.

6. International Recognition and Legal Implications​

• Numerous reports by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and other international organizations have characterized the atrocities committed against the Isaaq as genocide or crimes against humanity. Somaliland’s government has also made efforts to seek international recognition of these events as genocide.
• Mass grave excavations, testimonies from survivors, and documented evidence of state-planned attacks have been used to substantiate claims of genocide, even though no formal international tribunal has yet prosecuted these crimes.

7. Aftermath and Continued Recognition​

• The destruction and trauma experienced by the Isaaq community have had lasting effects, which contribute to the continued push for recognition of the genocide. Since the fall of Siad Barre's government, Somaliland has engaged in a process of documentation and memorialization to ensure that these atrocities are recognized as genocide.

In conclusion, the systematic and targeted nature of the SNA’s attacks on the Isaaq people, combined with the widespread evidence of intent to destroy the group, has led to the classification of these events as genocide. The violence inflicted upon the Isaaq community was not only intended to suppress a political insurgency but also to eradicate the Isaaq as a social and cultural entity, thereby meeting the international definition of genocide.

Why are you posting chat-gpt xaar here?

 

[Idilinaa]

Why are you posting chat-gpt xaar here?

Chat GPT relies on and is trained on wikipedia. We know wiki is xaar.

Isaaq locals and leaders were blaming SNM for turning their lives upside down.

Various witnesses who present even the one i posted moments ago blamed SNM for the situation in the North.

People back then plainly saw things for what it was, they were deranged maniacs playing with the lives of their own.

Creating a fake ''genocide'' by levaraging the civilian populations suffering to not only justify their attacks but also their secessionists aspirations

They farmed suffering to legitimize their own cause and de-legitimize the government.

 

[Idilinaa]

Doesn't really matter anyways since there is no proof that Barre had genocidal intent. His campaign in Hargeisa/Somaliland was meant to defeat SNM.

Have you noticed all things they try to pin on him and there is not a single statement he has made to prove he was all these things or any intent. Numerous letters, speeches, interviews, reports, writtings, declassified files and not a single statement.

They have a video of a group of military officers talking about eliminating SNM targets, thats about it.

Here is Siad talking about SNM and everything he mentions is backed by seperate eyewitness testimonies and third party reports, so they can't say ''Waa Siad/Kacaan propaganda '' or whatever.

Notice he doesn't refer to them as ''Isaaq'' , but calls SNM terrorists who are bringing destruction to their own. He doesn't accuse the whole isaaq population of colluding or supporting them either, but describe them as victims. He has a very rational and correct assessment of the situation.

His concern is with suffering of the people.

“𝗜𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗮 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱𝗻’𝘁 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 own houses, their families, their children. How is any national political aim fight to kill? begin to kill his family? So they are terrorists armed and organized by foreigners''

 

[NidarNidar]

Chat GPT relies on and is trained on wikipedia. We know wiki is xaar.

Isaaq locals and leaders were blaming SNM for turning their lives upside down.

Various witnesses who present even the one i posted moments ago blamed SNM for the situation in the North.

People back then plainly saw things for what it was, they were deranged maniacs playing with the lives of their own.

Creating a fake ''genocide'' by levaraging the civilian populations suffering to not only justify their attacks but also their secessionists aspirations

They farmed suffering to legitimize their own cause and de-legitimize the government.

It's worse.

"The Dilla and Borama massacres were among the many brutal episodes during the Somali Civil War in the late 1980s, part of a broader campaign of violence perpetrated by Siad Barre’s regime against the Isaaq population in northern Somalia. These massacres specifically targeted civilians in the towns of Dilla and Borama, which are located in the Awdal region of Somaliland. The events are often viewed as part of the systematic violence and mass killings that have been classified by human rights organizations and scholars as acts of genocide against the Isaaq people. Here’s a closer look at the massacres and their context:"

 

[Idilinaa]

It's worse.

"The Dilla and Borama massacres were among the many brutal episodes during the Somali Civil War in the late 1980s, part of a broader campaign of violence perpetrated by Siad Barre’s regime against the Isaaq population in northern Somalia. These massacres specifically targeted civilians in the towns of Dilla and Borama, which are located in the Awdal region of Somaliland. The events are often viewed as part of the systematic violence and mass killings that have been classified by human rights organizations and scholars as acts of genocide against the Isaaq people. Here’s a closer look at the massacres and their context:"

Nevermind the fact that Dilla and Borama is Gadabursi populated and not Isaaq

The fact that SNM commited mass autrocities against reer awdal in the early 90s with the aid of Ethiopia and is framed as being perperptrated by the Siad Barre regime in the late 80s by ChatGPT.

I blame Somali people collectively, they allowed these deranged traitors and ethiopia to falsify the narrative of what really happened, and point it at Siad Barre. They treat him like a living ghost that haunst them, because without that rabid demonization and obsession with him , they have zero legitimacy and united vision.

Most people don't know about all the horrifics things SNM did leading to and after the collapse in 1991. But they know about a fake wikipedia genocide.

 

[GemState]

No serious researcher considers it a genocide.

It was a run of the mill suppression of a Rebellion in an African autocracy, no more and no less.

 

[Idilinaa]

No serious researcher considers it a genocide.

It was a run of the mill suppression of a Rebellion in an African autocracy, no more and no less.

It wasn't even a rebellion or a supression. Rebellions are locally derived and it's locals rising up. Nothing like that actually happened.

These were literally armed foreign proxies attacking and invading a country and it's people and a national government defending itself.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Have you noticed all things they try to pin on him and there is not a single statement he has made to prove he was all these things or any intent. Numerous letters, speeches, interviews, reports, writtings, declassified files and not a single statement.

They have a video of a group of military officers talking about eliminating SNM targets, thats about it.

Here is Siad talking about SNM and everything he mentions is backed by seperate eyewitness testimonies and third party reports, so they can't say ''Waa Siad/Kacaan propaganda '' or whatever.

Notice he doesn't refer to them as ''Isaaq'' , but calls SNM terrorists who are bringing destruction to their own. He doesn't accuse the whole isaaq population of colluding or supporting them either, but describe them as victims. He has a very rational and correct assessment of the situation.

His concern is with suffering of the people.

“𝗜𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗮 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱𝗻’𝘁 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 own houses, their families, their children. How is any national political aim fight to kill? begin to kill his family? So they are terrorists armed and organized by foreigners''

You must be retarded if you think you need a direct statement to prove his knowledge and complicity in the genocide.

There are reports of the time of civilians being killed not even close to battlezones due to their background.
You would have to prove that MSB was either incapacitated or did not have chain of command and that would be hard to prove, from your side.

You people often try to hide in the gaps but really when it comes to proving things you just have to use common sense and reasonable doubt, no reasonable person would be convinced that Siad Barre was not directly involved.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

It wasn't even a rebellion or a supression. Rebellions are locally derived and it's locals rising up. Nothing like that actually happened.

These were literally armed foreign proxies attacking and invading a country and it's people and a national government defending itself.

SNM were a local group, not a foreign group, so they can't be a foreign proxy (a proxy for a time but not a foreign one because theres no such thing a foreign proxy, the word is proxy only, you just added foreign to make it seem a purely Ethiopian project.
They received some support from Ethiopia but they were sent out of Ethiopia after a deal between MSB and Mengitsu, most of their support came from Isaaq. That's when most of the fighting occured.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Caught in 4K, actually VHS.

They are not here to be educated. The same ones today denying the Isaaq genocide are also the same ones advocating for a new Isaaq genocide.

There is no point of having discussions with the grandchildren of F*qash

 

[Idilinaa]

You must be retarded if you think you need a direct statement to prove his knowledge and complicity in the genocide.

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There are reports of the time of civilians being killed not even close to battlezones due to their background.
You would have to prove that MSB was either incapacitated or did not have chain of command and that would be hard to prove, from your side.

You people often try to hide in the gaps but really when it comes to proving things you just have to use common sense and reasonable doubt, no reasonable person would be convinced that Siad Barre was not directly involved.

Notice it says:
''While estimates of number of casualties are impossible to estimate''

I actually read the Gersony report

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Notice it says:
''While estimates of number of casualties are impossible to estimate''

I actually read the Gersony report

You are denying a genocide even took place, so we got you on one count of lying. The numbers are debatable.

In response to your deflection attempt.

Typical SSpot graduate lol
Back to lying 101.

 

[Idilinaa]

You are denying a genocide even took place, so we got you on one count of lying. The numbers are debatable.

It was the insurgent SNM attacking people, refuge camps and embedding themselves within the civilian population in major cities at the same time.

As the report said the civilian deaths and casualties resulted from them trying to draw out the government. It's a lie to frame it differently.

SNM were a local group, not a foreign group, so they can't be a foreign proxy (a proxy for a time but not a foreign one because theres no such thing a foreign proxy, the word is proxy only, you just added foreign to make it seem a purely Ethiopian project.
They received some support from Ethiopia but they were sent out of Ethiopia after a deal between MSB and Mengitsu, most of their support came from Isaaq. That's when most of the fighting occured.

No it wasn't locally derived or based even.

SNM has roots that that ties back to the Ethiopian regime of 1961 after failed secessionist coup attempt sponsored and set up by Haile Selassie.

But SNM was formally founded in a pub in London by an Alcoholic Christian named Dr. Omar Elmi Dihoud after the Ogaden war in 1978.

Then they became split between the London group and the Saudi based group who were traditionalists. The London group took over, removed the Suadi group and became the most influential, they were alcoholic liberal and secularists with Christians in their ranks.

Notice none of this is taking place in the local communities of Northern Somalia.

Then they contacted Ethiopian Embassy in London and plotted a relocation to Ethiopia, to finalize and to organized themselves.

14 leading SNM were invited by Mengistu's Colonel Moges and housed by Ethiopia funded and armed to kick start their insurgencies, and carry out the plan of secession coined by the Ethiopian general.

Col. Moges was pretty much organizing everything, replacing certain SSDF and SNM leaders replacing them with someone else, putting them together etc.

Why do you think the Isaaq Elders in the North said that the SNM was ''Plunging the north into desolation and chaos while they themselves were living comfortably abroad''

It because they were based in England and Ethiopia were they organized themselves and first popped up.

The SNM were seperate from the local Isaaq leadership until 1989 and the guurti system was created in Ethiopia through merging both, but later they just outsted the the local issaq elders and replaced them with stooges.

 

[Idilinaa]

Why do you think the Isaaq Elders in the North said that the SNM was ''Plunging the north into desolation and chaos while they themselves were living comfortably abroad''

It because they were based in England and Ethiopia were they organized themselves and first popped up.

The SNM were seperate from the local Isaaq leadership until 1989 and the guurti system was created in Ethiopia through merging both, but later they just outsted the the local issaq elders and replaced them with stooges.

Also there is nothing to deny about SNM being an ethiopian proxy and taking orders from Mengistu and performing combined assaults with the Ethiopian army into Somali civilian areas and inflitrating nomadic and urban settlments dispersing themselves among them

The SNM leaders like Mohamed Silaanyo the former president of Somaliland as well freely admit to this on camera

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

It was the insurgent SNM attacking people, refuge camps and embedding themselves within the civilian population in major cities at the same time.

As the report said the civilian deaths and casualties resulted from that. It's a lie to frame it differently.


No it wasn't locally derived or based even.

SNM has roots that that ties back to the Ethiopian regime of 1961 after failed secessionist coup attempt sponsored by Haile Selassie.

But SNM was formally founded in a pub in London by an Alcoholic Christian named Dr. Omar Elmi Dihoud after the Ogaden war in 1978.

Then they became split between the London group and the Saudi based group who were traditionalists. The London group took over, removed the Suadi group and became the most influential, they were alcoholic liberal and secularists with Christians in their ranks.

Notice none of this is taking place in the local communities of Northern Somalia.

Then they contacted Ethiopian Embassy in London and plotted a relocation to Ethiopia, to finalize and to organized themselves.

14 leading SNM were invited by Mengistu's Colonel Moges and housed by Ethiopia funded and armed to kick start their insurgencies, and carry out the plan of secession coined by the Ethiopian general.

Col. Moges was pretty much organizing everything, replacing certain SSDF and SNM leaders replacing them with someone else, putting them together etc.

Why do you think the Isaaq Elders in the North said that the SNM was ''Plunging the north into desolation and chaos while they themselves were living comfortably abroad''

It because they were based in England and Ethiopia were they organized themselves and first popped up.

The SNM were seperate from the local Isaaq leadership until 1989 and the guurti system was created in Ethiopia through merging both, but later they just outsted the the local issaq elders and replaced them with stooges.

Lol, that all gave me a good laugh.

How does any of this disprove the reported facts that the SNA was killing isaaq away from battle zones? Were they all embedded SNM? If so using your basis is there any way to prove a genocide took place. If any person Isaaq person could be an SNM member they can be killed, armed or unarmed in any place any time. There's no way for you to commit a genocide using this framework. You essentially disprove genocide by making it impossible to even commit, thankfully the real world doesn't operate like that.

You just became an honorary Israeli.

 

[Midas]

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Lol, that all gave me a good laugh.

How does any of this disprove the reported facts that the SNA was killing isaaq away from battle zones? Were they all embedded SNM? If so using your basis is there any way to prove a genocide took place. If any person Isaaq person could be an SNM member they can be killed, armed or unarmed in any place any time. There's no way for you to commit a genocide using this framework. You essentially disprove genocide by making it impossible to even commit, thankfully the real world doesn't operate like that.

You just became an honorary Israeli.

You realize that the word genocide actually means something right? It's funny that this whole narrative really began with that bbc documentary on YouTube in the late 2000s . None of the other genocides had a militia that was literally fighting with mikitary and finacial support from a foreign government as well as commenting massacre of local people.

 

[Idilinaa]

Lol, that all gave me a good laugh.

How does any of this disprove the reported facts that the SNA was killing isaaq away from battle zones? Were they all embedded SNM? If so using your basis is there any way to prove a genocide took place. If any person Isaaq person could be an SNM member they can be killed, armed or unarmed in any place any time. There's no way for you to commit a genocide using this framework. You essentially disprove genocide by making it impossible to even commit, thankfully the real world doesn't operate like that.

You just became an honorary Israeli.

I gave you reported facts.

SNM wore plain civilian clothes and dispersed themselves into nomadic and urban settlements. Some of these were supposedly ''non-battle'' zones.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that it's government reacting to that and trying to snuff out insurgents/proxy agents like that reports that i just shown you say.