Isaaq genocide narrative

[Itsnotthateasy]

I gave you reported facts.

SNM wore plain civilian clothes and dispersed themselves into nomadic and urban nomadic settlements. Some of these were supposedly ''non-battle'' zones.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that it's government reacting to that and trying to snuff out insurgents/proxy agents like that reports that i just shown you say.

You gave us a whole load of vomit about Alcholic christians and other nonsense like political organizing that wasn't happening in the area made it a foreign plot? What was the nationality of those involved.

You are really picking at straws and conjuring up something that doesn't pass the smell test. If a government can kill unarmed civilians outside of battlezones it cannot commit a genocide.

 

[Idilinaa]

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You realize that the word genocide actually means something right? It's funny that this whole narrative really began with that bbc documentary on YouTube in the late 2000s . None of the other genocides had a militia that was literally fighting with military and financial support from a foreign government as well as commenting massacre of local people.

It's obvious to anyone with any semblance of knowledge about the situation that it was a war between foreign proxy group and a national government. It was not a genocide campaign or suppressing local rebellion.

You gave us a whole load of vomit about Alcholic christians and other nonsense like political organizing that wasn't happening in the area made it a foreign plot? What was the nationality of those involved.

You are really picking at straws and conjuring up something that doesn't pass the smell test. If a government can kill unarmed civilians outside of battlezones it cannot commit a genocide.

No. I gave you a run down of how SNM was a foreign proxy group consisting of traitors.

They did not emerge locally, they were based in Ethiopia and London, Founded in a London Pub by alcoholics and then organized, planned and funded/armed by Ethiopia. They would also launch press release in their early London beginnings and announce a war against all Somalis.

They are key to understanding what happened in the North, everything that happened was initiated by them, and was a response to them. They attacked refugee camps, towns on the borders, the country side and embedded themselves within the civilian population and then later invaded the major northern western cities.

Notice it says ''crosssed the Ethiopian-Somali border'' if they are a local group and not an Ethiopian proxy how are they crossing the border into the North? with Ethiopian support?

You even have Silaanyo admitting and explaining this: From the horses mouth

Also there is nothing to deny about SNM being an ethiopian proxy and taking orders from Mengistu and performing combined assaults with the Ethiopian army into Somali civilian areas and inflitrating nomadic and urban settlments dispersing themselves among them

The SNM leaders like Mohamed Silaanyo the former president of Somaliland as well freely admit to this on camera

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

It's obvious to anyone with any semblance of knowledge about the situation that it was a war between foreign proxy group and a national government. It was not a genocide campaign or suppressing local rebellion.

You are maybe retarded. Believe whatever makes you happy.

All points already answered.

 

[Idilinaa]

You are maybe retarded. Believe whatever makes you happy.

All points already answered.

You know you have no real rebuttal , when you resort to insults.

I shared texts of reports, witness testimony, video interviews of key actors and the historical breakdown of events. And you just ignored it, so its you who wants believe what makes you happy.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You know you have no real rebuttal , when you resort to insults.

I shared texts of reports, witness testimony, video interviews of key actors and the historical breakdown of events. And you just ignored it, so its you who wants believe what makes you happy.

None of which leads to your conclusions so that's why I don't need to answer. Your conclusion has no basis. If TFG was in Nairobi is that a foreign government? They are Somali citizens lol. You think SNM could organize in Hargeisa at the time? This is why you are not worth debating you are far from reality.

 

[Qeelbax]

Can't be 'genocide' anyway cause you are talking about the same ethnic group. How do you even prove who the people that were killed were? Even dna wouldn't be able to prove that since it's all basically the same anyway. Maybe a new term such as 'qabiloside' is needed? Either way it's clearly massively overblown.

Isaaqs have been caught digging up old Ogaden graves and claiming they are Isaaqs

 

[Idilinaa]

None of which leads to your conclusions so that's why I don't need to answer. Your conclusion has no basis. If TFG was in Nairobi is that a foreign government? They are Somali citizens lol. You think SNM could organize in Hargeisa at the time? This is why you are not worth debating you are far from reality.

Yes it's a foreign proxy government, it's perceived to be conceived from the outside and externally driven by many local Somalis

Federal Somalia: Not If but How​

Federal Somalia: Not If but How

A significant majority of Somalis favor a federal system of governance, despite serious misgivings. This is according to a research project concluded by HIPS that spun across 5 major cities in Somalia.The majority of those surveyed consider federalism as the best way to achieve a power-sharing...

waagacusub.net

• A substantial majority still views the current federation process as deeply flawed, because it is a largely elitedriven and externally facilitated scheme that promotes clan identity at the expense of citizenship.

It's imposed on Somalis by foreign countries and back in the early 2000s the only locally derived government was the ICU that won the popular support, while foreign countries like the US/Ethiopia supporting corrupt warlords that emerged from those ethiopian back proxy groups wreaking havoc on locals.

Watch them explain it.

 

[TheLand]

Isaaqs have been caught digging up old Ogaden graves and claiming they are Isaaqs

Was gonna mention that lol. OG’s that they massacred. No way to sort out who’s who so claim they are all genocided iidoor

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Yes it's a foreign proxy government, it's perceived to be conceived from the outside and externally driven by many local Somalis

It's a somali government, your use of the word foreign is just plain wrong. A foreign government would be Ethiopia or Kenya.

 

[TheLand]

You are maybe retarded. Believe whatever makes you happy.

All points already answered.

Resorting to insults as usual when you are frustrated and have no rebuttal

 

[wonyluvr]

You are maybe retarded. Believe whatever makes you happy.

All points already answered.

Ableist

 

[wonyluvr]

Resorting to insults as usual when you are frustrated and have no rebuttal

He’s ill imagine still using the r word as an insult against someone else what this high school

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You guys are insulting mental illness? And calling me ableist? Definitely retards.

 

[Idilinaa]

It's a somali government, your use of the word foreign is just plain wrong. A foreign government would be Ethiopia or Kenya.

Its a foreign proxy government and SNM, SDF, UNC, SPM are foreign proxy groups , first understand what a ''proxy' means.

What Are Proxy Militias?

Proxy militias, often understood as going extinct after the Cold War, are alive and well, getting their funding from government sponsors.

spheresofinfluence.ca

The term “proxy” refers to an individual or group that acts on behalf of another. Thus, a proxy conflict is a “war in which a state attempts to increase its power or influence without taking part in the action, as by providing arms or finance to one of the participants.

It's a government run by a foreign actors and propped up by them.

 

[TheLand]

You guys are insulting mental illness? And calling me ableist? Definitely retards.

Aw what’s the matter sweetheart? Your feelings get hurt cause nobody believes in your ‘genocide’ fairytale?

 

[wonyluvr]

You guys are insulting mental illness? And calling me ableist? Definitely retards.

You are really something get with the times

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You are really something get with the times

Bunch of woke genocide deniers.
I'm done.

 

[El Nino]

Massacres of Isaaq civilians happened, there is no doubt about that.

However, claiming it to be a genocide is a huge stretch. It gives an idea that all other somalis specifically targeted Isaaqs, when it was just Daroods. A clan that Isaaqs have had multiple wars historically. As a Hawiye man I did not do shit, Im innocent.

Whats also is crazy is Isaaqs ”forgave” one of the main culprit clan, Dhulbahantes. In order to gain independence, Isaaqs partnered up with one clan who played a huge part in the ”genocide”. Nonsensical.


MSB used south african mercenaries to carry out the bombings btw. Of course somali persons help out.

The conflict between Snm (isaaqs) and Kacaan (daroods) essentially kicked off our civil war, which was the culmination of millenial old continuos clan feuds. We used to kill each other with spears while riding horses, we traded them for AK-47s and anti-aircraft guns loaded onto a Toyota pickup truck. We started killing each other more efficiently and in larger numbers.

 

[Cartan Boos]

They are not here to be educated. The same ones today denying the Isaaq genocide are also the same ones advocating for a new Isaaq genocide.

There is no point of having discussions with the grandchildren of F*qash

why does the isaaq clan think themselves so important, ain't nobody cares to genocide u lot the only thing threat to u is u low birth rate

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

why does the isaaq clan think themselves so important, ain't nobody cares to genocide u lot the only thing threat to u is u low birth rate

Isaaq are not only important we are very well organized enough to take down Darood with Russian/US backing. Imagine losing from that position. Must be hard to cope.

Now the rest is coming by force too.