Why did they hate you guys so much?
Isaaq genocide narrative
- Thread starter Midas
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Idk tbh but it has to do probably from OG figure in the regime who wanted to forcefully settle their fellow kinsmen in to our lands after 1977 war by reviving back old tribal grievances and using it against us especially to nomads alongside the border who routinely were harassed and killed by WSLF militia who were supported by the regime.
Read the thread. @Idilinaa already explained why this wasn't the case.
Simple answer he didn't kill that many people. I don't know what the real number casualties are but it certaintly wasn't 50 -200k or whatever exaggerated wikipedia estimates they make up.
There was no Isaaq genocide. Those numbers are not independently verified and most would have probably died of famine and starvation due to the deteriorating situation in the North which not only affected the city but the general country side which was insecure. Others died in the decades/years after from the infighting after the governments collapse.
It was one insurgent group SNM attacking the north blowing things up, doing several combined attack with the Ethiopian army, massacring people in their homes and doing general terrorist acts and it was the Somali national army defending against it. The government was 100% in a defense posture throughout it and launching counter offensives , they were reacting to unprovoked attacks.
SNM was founded in Ethiopia and was using Ethiopia as a base to launch attacks from while the people in the in northern Somalia suffered from a counter offensive, , destroying refugee camps, somali towns in Ethiopia, highjacking planes/ships and preventing humanitarian aid, kidnapped refugee workers, hostage taking , assassinating officials and innocent people, causing people to flee.
The SNM even launched combined attack with Ethiopian Army on Borama , killing a bunch of school children, and caused 80.000 people to flee .They blowed up hospitals and building in Hargeisa.
They would do hit and run, while innocent people suffered from a counter offensive. SNM would wear plain clothing and hide amongst the civilian population, in order to bring the civilian population into it and provoke the Somali government.
They jumped on roof tops of various houses and buildings , with machines guns and rocket launchers shooting at people, before the government resorted to Arial assaults targeting them from above.
We have various eye witness accounts, monitoring groups and local testimonies from the populations living there to support this.
The supplies to the north was cut off by the southern insurgent groups and not by the government that was battling the government because the same national army in the north was dying from starvation as well towards last year or two.
If we ignore the unverifiable numbers, which make no sense and evaluate the governments response, there is several things that prove that this was not a genocide.
1) Siad Barre is recorded to order restraint and leniency from his soldiers on the civilian populations
2) From the time of the first insurgency attack until they invaded in the two cities 1988 , the government avoided hitting population centers, gave clear warnings for people to flee and
3) The government payed compensation fees to families affected by the conflict
4) Allowed humanitarian aid & international workers into the area, UN inspectors , to provide relief.
5) The government built camps to house people in safe areas away from conflict.
6) He even tried to create avenues for peace treaties with SNM, reconcilation and open dialogue with them, constantly negotiating with them to end the fight. But they refused it. And even encouraged the US to lead effors of reconciliation and rehabilitation as a neutral third party. He even appointed various northern and other local leaders into a constitutional committee to achieve national reconciliation.
7) Siad Barre commisioned the two cities infrastructure to be rebuilt, hospitals and humanitarian facilitiaties and programmes etc. The united states donated 1 million and provided assistance distrubituted through the Somali government.
So in short there was not attempt made by the government to bring about the destruction of Isaaq or the north in general. It's just an easily disprovable lie . SNM sought to draw out the government to use civilians deaths as propaganda.
They also invent this mythology that they were able to defeat the government when they actually was defeated and repulsed each time and was only able to enter the cities a few moments after the central government collapse. After that they went on a hunting spree targeting innocent Somalis , infighting amongst their ranks and collectively punishing Somalis with unionist asperations. They had zero policy, vision or unitary governmental plan.
I won't read it as it's full of stupid BS. My family and people were there and saw everything and my father was literally there in Saudi Arabia shir organized by the diaspora that led to the foundation of SNM before it was proclaimed in London so enough with the bullshit.
Resorting to misogyny again….You’re arguing with a qabilist lady just leave her alone bro. She has no rights
is it accurate
By the OP's logic, the Kacaan in it's final years was a foreign proxy government.
Kacaan regime was backed by the US and other allies but had very little home grown support just a few minority clans. It was internationally recognized but then those are all foreign governments too, so more foreign influence.
Kacaan was a foreign proxy government.
OP is just talking nonsense trying to justify the inexcusable.
Kacaan regime was backed by the US and other allies but had very little home grown support just a few minority clans. It was internationally recognized but then those are all foreign governments too, so more foreign influence.
Kacaan was a foreign proxy government.
OP is just talking nonsense trying to justify the inexcusable.
whole thing is just copypasta from a Twitter user who is a known engager in fadhi ku dirir no originality whatsoever. Every source is US-based too, I wonder why
I can guess who the twitter user is I can sense it wallahi
You wouldn’t understand
my intuition is next levelWhy’d you reply to me?? I could care less about some fabricated genocide.You wouldn’t understand
You are the second coming of Nin123 .who actually knows how to speak English properly his English is ass this is something he’d say
They’re using FKD accounts for info and packaging it as “analysis”You wouldn’t understand
This is kind of insane @Idilinaa ?????????? I hope this isn’t true sis !!!!They’re using FKD accounts for info and packaging it as “analysis” View attachment 347850 the real question is why are they interacting with these accounts in the first place? For people who claim to be wadanis
I didn’t @ anyone specifically, these are assumptions you’re making btw
So because refugees from Ogaden that fled the war settled into Waaqoyi it means you start insurgencies to collapse the government? you invade civilian areas to draw out the government and attack innocent civilians and refugee camps? keep humanitarian aid workers hostage and do combined attacks towards with Ethiopian millitary one of which saw the killings innocent Kids at a school?
This is the worst justification i have heard in my life. It actually proves how you politicize and leverage civilian suffering that SNM are also responsible for.
I see what you are doing here
but I read back one can only assume!!!!
