liberal ethio-philia phenomenon deep dive
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It looks like crap but it's taste pretty good, I still have baris and hilib over it.
The British destroyed Indian silk production through high taxes, restrictions, and competition. They imposed heavy taxes on Indian silk weavers and farmers, making it harder for them to afford production. The British also flooded the market with cheap, machine-made British textiles, undercutting Indian silk prices. They restricted Indian weavers' exports and forced them to sell only to British buyers at low prices. This ruined India’s once-thriving silk industry, as many weavers went out of business, and India became reliant on British imports, the skill died out, the west just knows how to destroy.
They pretty much de-industrialized India.
Never tried it, it must be an acquired taste.
Somalis eating Bariis iyo Hilib described by Ibn Battuta in the 13th century:
''The food of these people is rice topped with butter (gee) and a sauce containing meat, chicken, fish and vegetables served on a large wooden dish. They also serve unripe banana cooked in milk and serve it as a sauce. Sour milk with pickled lemon, bunches of pickled chilies with vinegar and salt, green ginger, and mangoes which look like apples but have a nut inside. Ripe mangoes are very sweet and are eaten like fruit, but unripe mangoes are as acid as lemons, and are cooked in vinegar. When the Mogadishu people have taken a mouthful of rice, they take some of these pickles.. ''
Most of the comments are glazing
Ghengis Kaarhis
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The random Indian claiming it’s actually Indians that invented, then gets roasted by everyone. They saying India never invented anything related to hygiene
Mac sonkor Indians have been coming at Somalis recently in twitter.The random Indian claiming it’s actually Indians that invented, then gets roasted by everyone. They saying India never invented anything related to hygiene
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This video gave me a headache5 whole minutes of ethiopia glaze and meatriding
I know its going to be painful for them , once we break the African mythology they have formed around them.
Kinda looking forward to shaking things up with real documented historical facts and current day realities.
They don't see that the Negus is an illterate mountain peasant who lived in a poverty stricken backwater with no cities or trade/industries. They just see Haile Selassie wearing a crown crafted by Armenian christians or a military suit imported from their european allies with fake medals embroided in to it, and think ''oh how majestic'' .
Ethiopians cosplaying as real Emperors/Kings, is like those Congo Dandies.
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The glorification of ethiopia is deeply rooted and has been so for a very long time if you search up "ethiopia industrialisation" "ethiopia history" its just endless scrolling of inaccurate glaze. I dont even think we will ever see the day where all these myths get debunked.
hayran
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This video gave me a headache
"hero of the trojan war memnon da black"
We can debunk it , to make it more known to us and perhaps around Non-African Muslim circles.
3 reasons for this glaze parade:
1) When it comes to Western/Europeans there is an obvious christian neo-colonial and zionist component to it. It's self-explanatory. As you can also see in the greater isreal thread where i explained.
2) But when it comes to Africanist's like the video you posted , its because of an inferiority complex, they want prove to white people they can be on par with them , so it's for the sake of keeping appearances. There is no substantive underneath it, they never venture deep into describing Ethiopian's administrative organization , their diplomacy , production, trade, intricacies of their army or anything really related to governance or proper rulership. It's like their obsession with Egypt, because Ethiopia had cadaan colonialists stamp of approval and Ancient Egypt was an object of their exotic fascinations ever since Napoleon, these Africans follow it because they seek white approval.
3) Lastly the main reason for this glaze, is that Ethiopians have a longstanding tradition and history of being expert propagandists, remember how i compared their historical chronicles to ours? Like one was pure epic fiction and glaze, all made up , the other was recording events as they had happened.
Literally they were sitting down writing wattpad stories for centuries, dressing it up as history and perfecting it like an artform. How is anyone meant to compete with that?
The account of the wars of King ʿAmda Ṣeyon against the Islamic sultanates, an epic fiction of the 15th century
Le récit des guerres du roi ʿAmda Ṣeyon contre les sultanats islami...
Tous les commencements sont difficiles.Chaïm Potok, Au Commencement, 1976 [2019]. Le récit des guerres menées par le roi ʿAmda Ṣeyon contre les souverains de l’Ifāt et, plus globalement, contre les...
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It's the same with the Gelewados Chronicle claiming he conquered all of Awdal and conquered Mogadishu and other territories that @Three Moons shared.
Then the Portuguese who is biased in their favour had to fact check them which i showed earlier and called it fiction. Said he never went there, nor did he do those things and was chased down deep into highlands at his own court with a super small army(which ethiopian lied and said it was large) and was decapitated by Emir Nur who paraded him his head around Harar, all of which is confirmed in the local Muslim chronicles.
I also found another example where they blatantly hide how their kings get killed in their sources:
''His death, an event of presumably major importance, is not confirmed by the Ethiopian chronicles'' '' for ethiopian royal chroniclers often deliberately attempted to suppress the violent deaths of the kings whose reigns they extol''
There is a clear separation between Muslim and Christian writing tradition. The Ethiopians write chronicles decades later from when the event occurred and after their kings die, and they issue them when they are being defeated badly mostly as a way to save face.
The Muslim Awdalite chroniclers are often more reliable and in some cases are like eyewitness accounts that show that the documents are contemporary.
''I personally saw the head of the king with my own eyes''
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Its a pain in the ass for those that live in the region but liberal/Western support of Ethiopia made sense for a while.
The liberal order views the defeat of fascism and the Nazis as their defining moment and built an international order/narrative off that event. Also, the fighting in Italian East Africa was the first allied victory against axis powers, this is while Germany was throwing it’s weight around in Europe - so its a bit sentimental.
They defeated fascism in East Africa, collaborated with and reinstated a ‘native sovereign’ to set things straight …..etc etc. It’s part of the ‘narrative building’ of the allies/liberals in the second world war. Ethiopia and its ‘emperor’ happened to be on the side of the ‘good guys’ in World war II and they reaped the benefits of it (as opposed to Britain throwing Eritrea and Somalia under the bus).
The liberal order views the defeat of fascism and the Nazis as their defining moment and built an international order/narrative off that event. Also, the fighting in Italian East Africa was the first allied victory against axis powers, this is while Germany was throwing it’s weight around in Europe - so its a bit sentimental.
They defeated fascism in East Africa, collaborated with and reinstated a ‘native sovereign’ to set things straight …..etc etc. It’s part of the ‘narrative building’ of the allies/liberals in the second world war. Ethiopia and its ‘emperor’ happened to be on the side of the ‘good guys’ in World war II and they reaped the benefits of it (as opposed to Britain throwing Eritrea and Somalia under the bus).
hayran
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how would this extend to anti-liberal regimes of the derg and abiy?Its a pain in the ass for those that live in the region but liberal/Western support of Ethiopia made sense for a while.
The liberal order views the defeat of fascism and the Nazis as their defining moment and built an international order/narrative off that event. Also, the fighting in Italian East Africa was the first allied victory against axis powers, this is while Germany was throwing it’s weight around in Europe - so its a bit sentimental.
They defeated fascism in East Africa, collaborated with and reinstated a ‘native sovereign’ to set things straight …..etc etc. It’s part of the ‘narrative building’ of the allies/liberals in the second world war. Ethiopia and its ‘emperor’ happened to be on the side of the ‘good guys’ in World war II and they reaped the benefits of it (as opposed to Britain throwing Eritrea and Somalia under the bus).
the liberal order allegedly punishes its enemies for stepping out of line, ie iran post shah and russia after the crimea invasion. they really wanted to bring russia into the fold for quite a while before 2014
abiy can be as anti-liberal as he wants and he gets a nobel peace prize for deposing their TPLF friends and media sympathy for his land grabs (somaliland)
pictures like this indicate the liberal order is still friendly to abiy
The alchemist
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Ethiopia was more like Israel, embracing Western imperialism as colluders willing to be the conduit and facilitators, the symbolic and strategic embodiment of the introduction of Western colonialism than Japan was to the Axis powers. The invitation to the Axis came through sheer acknowledgment for the latter, the former existing as merely an ideological satellite stooges.Its a pain in the ass for those that live in the region but liberal/Western support of Ethiopia made sense for a while.
The liberal order views the defeat of fascism and the Nazis as their defining moment and built an international order/narrative off that event. Also, the fighting in Italian East Africa was the first allied victory against axis powers, this is while Germany was throwing it’s weight around in Europe - so its a bit sentimental.
They defeated fascism in East Africa, collaborated with and reinstated a ‘native sovereign’ to set things straight …..etc etc. It’s part of the ‘narrative building’ of the allies/liberals in the second world war. Ethiopia and its ‘emperor’ happened to be on the side of the ‘good guys’ in World war II and they reaped the benefits of it (as opposed to Britain throwing Eritrea and Somalia under the bus).
I get the sense you're misattributing Ethiopia's status as more of a rational actor on par with the latter than the former in the eyes of the Western historical body.
One thing was true. Given its historical position as described and its relations through this modality of early Modern Era pan-Christian appeal of concerns -- that viewed Abissinya as a 'Christian island in the sea of Muslims' -- coupled with the colonialism regional aid enforcer, afforded it agency of individuality greater than most African states that, for the most part, were merely colonial subjects.
The British supported the Italian control over Ethiopia in the 1890s because it would prevent the French ambition to gain control over the Upper Nile region. Relations had aligned itself differently by the 1930s. During the Italo-Ethiopian war, they took a diplomatic mediating role, not an aggressive stance toward the Italian invasion, as one might think. One of their officials stated it was not in Britain's best interest to want Italy to lose badly during a defeat because of economic relations. Britain sought to amend the relationship expediently through mechanisms of depressuring of sanctions after the war.
Remember, this was when ties were different, a period before the Axis powers established a firm geopolitical union, a moment when Italy had maintained complex relations with independent European nations. It was not black and white -- yet.
A lot of what took place after the war that was filtrated through the whitewashing of history ties perfectly with what you stated, but it was a post-colonial artificial recounting, only understood through the earlier colonial relations in that they gave Ethiopia a contradictory convenient image because of its ironic pro-British colonial acts. This typical grandiose embellishment occurred after the dust had settled; if you read the documents, the Britains were less hypothetical for any ideals and more matter-of-fact.
History was re-imagined by the winners in a developmentally convenient manner: judgment of their crafting holds a higher position in obscuring the truth. The 'narrative building' (as you put it) became the bedrock of legitimizing how these nations that once were the core of the problem now self-assert as the most virtuous, even anointing a symbol of such for Ethiopia, being their former colluder.
Liberalism repainted the same things in a new language. That is why Israel does what it does as the most advanced colonial settler state where colonial justifications furnished in a language of Western appeal -"But they are a liberal democracy," tying direct roots from liberal, imperial expansionism always getting support from a domestic ideological justification by the West mainland.
It sounds so simple and evil but that is what it bogs down to, the Israeli Jews are like us, the Palestinians are not. And since people who have gays on the streets, are Western in their values, and have advanced economies, they can afford to kill poor Muslim brown people by only that.
Similar to how 1 million Iraqis had to die for what non-Iraqis did to thousands of people. I recently read a tweet saying if Israel put Palestinians in gas chambers, many would be in support of it. This civilizational contempt and arrogance is rooted in the same disease that brought colonialism. It's not a fascist process, it is a liberal one. I believe most fascism is a version of liberalism. It's just that they have cranked up certain aspects of it. Nazi Germany was not a highly conservative country. Hitler in Mein Kampf had a hyper-secular picture, where his interpretation of evolution was liberal and very secular.
People need to take root in how the discourse of Social Darwinism is in parallel with the thinking of the secular liberalist linear growth view, centering the evil and improvement of the West as the core of the humanities path for growth, being the pinnacle of traversing that roadmap. Palestinians are far from adjacent to Westerners which is why their lives are worth less than Israelis who signal Western appeal. That is why Netanyahu said that Iran is no civilization, they are merely a barbaric entity that does not deserve to exist. This is the colonial imperial, Western-centric language that Israel was founded upon, that colonized the world.
Well said.
Ethiopia definitely is an ideological satellite stooge.
They just rebranded the same old more blatant genocidal colonial discourse under the new 'liberal democracy'' discourse.
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He committed numerous war crimes and what some would qualify as act of Genocide in Tigray to booth. But they did impose economic sanctions on Ethiopia for it however, could that be seen a punishment?
No, at that time he was normalizing with Somalia and Eritrea and was talking a big game about peace in the region, so the west was backing the TPLF (their long time stooges) to take back power in Ethiopia and keep the old policy in place. Since he was fighting the west preferred candiates to replace him with they sanctioned Abiy and condemned him on their media while funding the TPLF.
Once he returned to the usual satellite state and hostility against Somalis and Eritrea (who they hate for supporting Somalis). He has been back in their good graces ever since and he can kill whoever and however many he wants now.
So he was being punished at that time only because he was not hostile to Somalia and Eritrea.
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