"Otherwise we'll have to go to war" - Somaliland FM

[Lordilord]

Where the f*ck are the 4 million people? Don't be delusional. Somaliland+Puntland is not even 30 % of the population of koonfur, let alone Awdal + Waqooyi Galbeed+ 2/3rds of Toghdeer.

If you think that 1.5-2 million people will get 50 % of international aid when there are 10+ million people in the rest of Somalia, then you're insane.

is deji, Las Anod is taken, we know you are heartbroken

 

[horumar]

Where the f*ck are the 4 million people? Don't be delusional. Somaliland+Puntland is not even 30 % of the population of koonfur, let alone Awdal + Waqooyi Galbeed+ 2/3rds of Toghdeer+1/2 of Sanaag.

If you think that 1.5-2 million people will get 50 % of everything when there are 10+ million people in the rest of Somalia, then you're insane.

I have not interacted with anyone as stupid as you, in my 3 years of Somali forum usage, you take the number 1 spot

Are you not forgetting of the reer miyi? cities alone do not account for population, basic geography.

UNPO:http://unpo.org/members/7916

Population (2013 estimate): 4.5 million

BBC:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14115069(outdated but roughly 4mil)

• Population 3.5 million
  

IBTIMES:http://www.ibtimes.com/somalia-stru...come-east-africas-next-big-commercial-1407582

Somaliland, a region with a population of 4 million located

Do you not like facts? are you allergic to them or something? kkkk

Also, did i say 50-50? I meant 90-10, that goes for somaliweyn too

 

[Abdalla]

I don't need to fight my brothers because of half breeds


When you come to free your cousins I will be waiting in lascanod

You're already pulling the Yaa isaaq ah card after 4 pages. This just shows who needs who sacsac boy. You don't wanna fight because you know a lot of secrets will be dropped

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I have not interacted with anyone as stupid as you, in my 3 years of Somali forum usage, you take the number 1 spot

Are you not forgetting of the reer miyi? cities alone do not account for population, basic geography.

UNPO:http://unpo.org/members/7916


BBC:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14115069(outdated but roughly 4mil)


IBTIMES:http://www.ibtimes.com/somalia-stru...come-east-africas-next-big-commercial-1407582


Do you not like facts? are you allergic to them or something? kkkk

Also, did i say 50-50? I meant 90-10, that goes for somaliweyn too

4.5 million

Less than 30 % of Somalia's population lives North of Gaalkacyo. Join up with Puntland and you can get 1/3rd of everything as the "north", else you will be integrated into the 4.5 system (which will become 5).

 

[Lordilord]

I have not interacted with anyone as stupid as you, in my 3 years of Somali forum usage, you take the number 1 spot

Are you not forgetting of the reer miyi? cities alone do not account for population, basic geography.

UNPO:http://unpo.org/members/7916


BBC:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14115069(outdated but roughly 4mil)


IBTIMES:http://www.ibtimes.com/somalia-stru...come-east-africas-next-big-commercial-1407582


Do you not like facts? are you allergic to them or something? kkkk

Also, did i say 50-50? I meant 90-10, that goes for somaliweyn too

 

[Tjioux]

I'm going to do my best to not take some of these posters bait and stay out of the discussion currently in the gutter in the peripherals of this thread.

To address @merka's post:

No one's going to war. Farmajo doesn't even control Suuqa Bakaaraha let alone koonfurta so his main priority will be to secure the south over the next few years.

If the south isn't secured during his term, then the status quo will continue. It's really that simple. You will see more macro regions and clan states pop up and the further weakening of the central government. This is obviously the situation that Siilyano et. Al would prefer. It requires no action on their part, they just sit back, collect their aid cheques and continue to steal the people of Somaliland's money while watching Farmajo struggle and fail. This is the only scenario where Somaliland has a chance at recognition as well.


If the south is reasonably secured during his term then 1 of 3 things will happen:

1. Renegotiations for reunification will start, due to pressure from international community. 4.5 will be abolished, or at the very least Isaaq joins 4.5 to make it a 5.5 system. There is no way Somaliland comes back without one of the 2 as a prerequisite. I obviously prefer that 4.5 be abolished all-together but knowing Somalis it probably won't be. There will be a new constitution, truth and reconciliation committee, and everything will have to be negotiated to appease Somaliland to come back. It will probably restructure Somalia into a new Somali republic with 2 formal political entities (Somalia and Somaliland), with 50/50 power sharing, revenue sharing and the equal splitting of the international aid budget, new elections, and full autonomy for Somaliland (think of Scotland or Quebec). There will be referendums in any disputed regions, and they will be able to choose which entity they'd like to join.

2. China - Taiwan type political situation, Somalia will still be too weak federally to actually do anything about Somaliland, since it will be in the process of rebuilding after 26 years at war. Somalia will still claim Somaliland as a part of its territory in the international community, and Somaliland won't receive any recognition from the IC. When Somalia rebuilds, it will just isolate Somaliland from the IC and Somalia will cut ties with any country that recognizes SL.

3. A North and South Korea type situation. Easily the worst outcome, both sides will build up military, and the eastern border with Somalia will be heavily fortified, with sporadic conflicts. Somaliland most likely becomes a pariah in the IC under this scenario, which is probably what Farmajo would like. Even then it would just mostly be hanjabad back and forth with occasional clashes, not full out war.

I've wanted to speak on this issue for quite sometime. I think it deserves its own post discussing the potential political dynamics, and I'll make one soon.

you are one of the few somalilanders i respect, very mature and politically savy who always has something great to say, i salute you sxb.

 

[waraabe]

Where the f*ck are the 4 million people? Don't be delusional. Somaliland+Puntland is not even 30 % of the population of koonfur, let alone Awdal + Waqooyi Galbeed+ 2/3rds of Toghdeer+1/2 of Sanaag.

If you think that 1.5-2 million people will get 50 % of everything when there are 10+ million people in the rest of Somalia, then you're insane.

You must think everyone is a langaab qurjile

 

[fox]

Dowlada muqdisho doesnt even control muqdisho How can they fight somaliland?somaliland doesnt even need boots in muqdisho to take it over we can get the hawiyes and daroods to finish each otheryou are at our mercy be grateful

 

[waraabe]

I urge beesha darod to free their own from Isaaq

 

[waraabe]

You're already pulling the Yaa isaaq ah card after 4 pages. This just shows who needs who sacsac boy. You don't wanna fight because you know a lot of secrets will be dropped

Look at this calaacal

 

[TheWeekday]

a is open season.

SL can supply weapons and money to the Somali Bantus.Let them wreck havoc in the most fertile regions while declaring independence.

The rest of these Zoo animals will be fighting eachother like in Mudug iyo Hiiran.While Godane's Pro-Isaaq organization bombs Xamar every week.

We don't need to risk a single Isaaq life to have these fools killed


The victorious Banu Hashim politicians will be laughing from our capital of Hargeisa :siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

I urge beesha darod to free their own from Isaaq

I urge beesha Isaac to free their own people from ileys and Ogaden hegemony in ogadenia

 

[AceofSom]

I'm going to do my best to not take some of these posters bait and stay out of the discussion currently in the gutter in the peripherals of this thread.

To address @merka's post:

No one's going to war. Farmajo doesn't even control Suuqa Bakaaraha let alone koonfurta so his main priority will be to secure the south over the next few years.

If the south isn't secured during his term, then the status quo will continue. It's really that simple. You will see more macro regions and clan states pop up and the further weakening of the central government. This is obviously the situation that Siilyano et. Al would prefer. It requires no action on their part, they just sit back, collect their aid cheques and continue to steal the people of Somaliland's money while watching Farmajo struggle and fail. This is the only scenario where Somaliland has a chance at recognition as well.


If the south is reasonably secured during his term then 1 of 3 things will happen:

1. Renegotiations for reunification will start, due to pressure from international community. 4.5 will be abolished, or at the very least Isaaq joins 4.5 to make it a 5.5 system. There is no way Somaliland comes back without one of the 2 as a prerequisite. I obviously prefer that 4.5 be abolished all-together but knowing Somalis it probably won't be. There will be a new constitution, truth and reconciliation committee, and everything will have to be negotiated to appease Somaliland to come back. It will probably restructure Somalia into a new Somali republic with 2 formal political entities (Somalia and Somaliland), with 50/50 power sharing, revenue sharing and the equal splitting of the international aid budget, new elections, and full autonomy for Somaliland (think of Scotland or Quebec). There will be referendums in any disputed regions, and they will be able to choose which entity they'd like to join.

2. China - Taiwan type political situation, Somalia will still be too weak federally to actually do anything about Somaliland, since it will be in the process of rebuilding after 26 years at war. Somalia will still claim Somaliland as a part of its territory in the international community, and Somaliland won't receive any recognition from the IC. When Somalia rebuilds, it will just isolate Somaliland from the IC and Somalia will cut ties with any country that recognizes SL.

3. A North and South Korea type situation. Easily the worst outcome, both sides will build up military, and the eastern border with Somalia will be heavily fortified, with sporadic conflicts. Somaliland most likely becomes a pariah in the IC under this scenario, which is probably what Farmajo would like. Even then it would just mostly be hanjabad back and forth with occasional clashes, not full out war.

I've wanted to speak on this issue for quite sometime. I think it deserves its own post discussing the potential political dynamics, and I'll make one soon.

Argubaly the most intelligent response on this issue in sspot ever

 

[waraabe]

I urge beesha Isaac to free their own people from ileys and Ogaden hegemony in ogadenia

Kkkkkk illey is an Ethiopian worker, the presidents before were everyon including Isaaq

 

[Zayd]

They have short memories.....

2/3rds of the SNA army including their poor airforce was dispatched to deal with what they called 'Qudhmis', they used up all their army on us to the point when they went back south their capital was unprotected and the Hawiye chased them out


Now they are a semi colonised nation and they still flexing with their non existent army that's busy killing ministers.

 

[Zayd]

Look at this kid projecting. We all know who cries "Isaaqniimo" even in this forum.
I don't believe in being related to Oromos (already proven by DNA). If I see any Oromos
in my deegaan the same Ceel Afweyn massacre will happen to them.

Adigaa ba laga bilaabidoona, idgaf if your my abti, this kind of anti isaaqnimo is downright treasonous.

Sure there are revelations in the dna department, but the jury isn't out, I say we dna test the bones of odaygii ku aasaan maydh laftigiisi.

 

[Near]

you are one of the few somalilanders i respect, very mature and politically savy who always has something great to say, i salute you sxb.

Thanks, I appreciate it sxb.

My only piece of advice (and I'm reminding myself as well here) is to treat everyone on this forum as individuals. There are bad posters on this site from all regions of Somalia, idiocy is not exclusive to one region or tribe. We should all do our very best to get out of the mentality of Somalilanders, Puntlanders, Jubalanders etc as much as possible when dealing with one another. We should all respect each other and disagree civilly since we are all Muslims at the end of the day.

Wabillahi Towfiq

 

[Near]

Argubaly the most intelligent response on this issue in sspot ever

Appreciate it Saxiib.

 

[Zayd]

The 99th division of SNM interviewing these southerners who were sent to the north only to be sent to the aakhira, JB lions.


Marxuumkii Cigaal, who unified the Isaaq after the disastrous habr habr wars answers the question 'Faqash yay aheyd?'
My isaaq bretherin, I urge thee to not marry the tribes of dhulbahante or MJ otherwise you'll end up like @Duke of Bohol. :siilaanyosmile:

 

[supz]

A proxy war kulaha lool these guys are delusional as f*ck. Somalis are not that developed to wage proxy wars

kkkkk walle wa runtaa