Somali men who would have liberated Somalia are not born yet

[BebsiBolice]

That's according to radical feminism which you said you believed in

No it is not!!!

 

[Geeljire]

You could claim ethnocentrism for either side depending on the circumstance.
When I said 'the puntland woman' I was referring to the politician you linked me to.

Not really like i said one side dictating the conversation & narrative more than the other internationally. Pluss since when are Somalis in the west trying to dictate how europeans should live and govern themselves by solely our own world view,culture & values.?

This is what is happening in Somalia with the Un and the Puntland woman being an example out of many.

 

[Zayd]

For all you fanatic religious terror worshiping freaks. LAKUM DIINKUM WALI DINIKU

DON'T YOU BASTARDS EVER BE THE JUDGE.

Surah Al-Kafiroon

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful​

Say: O disbelievers! (1) I worship not that which ye worship; (2) Nor worship ye that which I worship. (3) And I shall not worship that which ye worship. (4) Nor will ye worship that which I worship. (5) Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (6)​

The Qur'an doesn't = Surah Al Ikhlas my Muslim sister, this is also from the Qur'an:

Say, [O Muhammad], "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your spouses, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people.
"
[9:24]

Allah said if you love all of those things more than Allah and HIS MESSENGER, that you should wait for what lies in store with you. Sis, don't get caught up in political movements, and societal movements, they mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[54321]

Wallahi one of the most convoluted posts I've ever read



Nigga went from the beginning of humanity to the IMF to the Islamic Golden Age

He was probably just looking for an opportunty to mention the fabled islamic golden age.

 

[BebsiBolice]

The Qur'an doesn't = Surah Al Ikhlas my Muslim sister, this is also from the Qur'an:

Say, [O Muhammad], "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your spouses, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people.
"
[9:24]

Allah said if you love all of those things more than Allah and HIS MESSENGER, that you should wait for what lies in store with you. Sis, don't get caught up in political movements, and societal movements, they mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Clearly I love Allah hence me trying to get his Somali people to prosper get an education get jobs and wealth. Can't say the same for you.

 

[Hubble]

Somalia was great, then we got invaded by Europe and fought the longest ever colonial war. Then we were doing well again only for instability to arise and lead to war which was followed by Islamic extremists who were deadlier than warlords and we're not done yet. There's nothing to compare to because we're still rebuilding. We'll be great again once we have peace and women will lead as much as men will, it's our culture and aspiration.

 

[AceofSom]

Barni, dont waste your time on these ciyaal.

 

[Zayd]

Clearly I love Allah hence me trying to get his Somali people to prosper get an education get jobs and wealth. Can't say the same for you.

You can love Allah all you want, the Christians love him, and the Jews, and the Samirtans, and the Gays, the question is have you managed to earn Allah's due pleasure?

And if you truly love Allah then why do you wish to sidetrack his deen that he sent to us as humanity, favouring social constructs like feminism and democracy, over what Allah sent to us?

 

[BebsiBolice]

Somalia was great, then we got invaded by Europe and fought the longest ever colonial war. Then we were doing well again only for instability to arise and lead to war which was followed by Islamic extremists who were deadlier than warlords and we're not done yet. There's nothing to compare to because we're still rebuilding. We'll be great again once we have peace and women will lead as much as men will, it's our culture and aspiration.

How are we gonna rebuild when our very own Somali people can not agree on the well being of the Somali population. People are advocating for Sharia Laws while they themselves live in the safe west.

 

[54321]

Not really like i said one side dictating the conversation & narrative more than the other internationally. Pluss since when are Somalis in the west trying to dictate how europeans should live and govern themselves by solely our own world view,culture & values.?

This is what is happening in Somalia with the Un and the Puntland woman being an example out of many.

Depends on how you look at it. Plenty of people try to shut down any conversation about the role of women in somali society by claiming everything is 'imposing western ideology'. You claim that some on the other side exclude somali women with different views from the discussion, that's an example going the other way.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

No it is not!!!

You cannot be serious being a radical feminist and not know their view on PIV?

 

[Odeg]

Plenty of people try to shut down any conversation about the role of women in somali society by claiming everything is 'imposing western ideology'. You claim that some on the other side exclude somali women with different views from the discussion, that's an example going the other way.

Not really because these people promoting this are self proclaimed radicial feminist or SJW. It becomes western imposed ideology by default then. Nobody would have a issue if womens right were raised by somali women back home and I think their rights needs and should improve.

 

[Hubble]

How are we gonna rebuild when our very own Somali people can not agree on the well being of the Somali population. People are advocating for Sharia Laws while they themselves live in the safe west.

This is recent. They're advocating for a certain type Sharia law because the mosques in Europe are radical. If you're pro women you're accused of working for the government and that's because Europe's Muslim population is mainly Asian and Arab. Their countries never had women's rights and their understanding of Islam fits into the state's they grew up in.

 

[54321]

You cannot be serious being a radical feminist and not know their view on PIV?

Is this the staple opinion of the group on the topic, or the opinion of a some radical feminist?

 

[Zayd]

Every propagator of radical feminism back home should be either jailed, exiled, or sentenced to death.

 

[54321]

Not really because these people promoting this are self proclaimed radicial feminist or SJW. It becomes western imposed ideology by default then. Nobody would have a issue if womens right were raised by somali women back home and I think their rights needs and should improve.

This is interesting. I guess a lot of this just comes down to legitimacy. Outsiders are inherently not legitimate.
I get that. Thanks for you input.

 

[Geeljire]

Depends on how you look at it. Plenty of people try to shut down any conversation about the role of women in somali society by claiming everything is 'imposing western ideology'. You claim that some on the other side exclude somali women with different views from the discussion, that's an example going the other way.

That's not what ethnocentrism is. We do not go to the any other country or culture trying to dictate what they do solely by our own norms,values and world view of our culture.

Promoting values and behavior that the majority opposes is not allowed in any place on earth. Hence why every society have certified red lines -ergo limits upon what constitutes lawful expression.

I cannot go on TV in the west/europe and Say Homosexuality is not right and not get attacked or censored , the opposite holds true in the Middeleast and Africa. Or even deny the holocaust without being jailed or killed in Isreal

Judging what is lawful and what is appropiate from western standards and equating it to the world as if , western values,conducts and laws are universal is very much the defintion of ethnocentrism, which is what i am speaking of.

 

[Racer]

Depends on how you look at it. Plenty of people try to shut down any conversation about the role of women in somali society by claiming everything is 'imposing western ideology'. You claim that some on the other side exclude somali women with different views from the discussion, that's an example going the other way.

They have to interject everything with words such as gaaloraac you want to make progress or talk about it waar gaal batahey is the response, or the next phase copy and paste scriptures adding their own meaning to it next phase when they can't convince you ad hominem and insults

 

[54321]

That's not what ethnocentrism is. We do not go to the any other country or culture trying to dictate what they do solely by our own norms,values and world view of our culture.

Promoting values and behavior that the majority opposes is not allowed in any place on earth. Hence why every society have certified red lines -ergo limits upon what constitutes lawful expression.

I cannot go on TV in the west/europe and Say Homosexuality is not right and not get attacked or censored , the opposite holds true in the Middeleast and Africa. Or even Deny the Holocaust without being Jailed or killed

Judging what is lawful and what is appropiate from western standards and equating it to the world as if , western values,conducts and laws are universal is very much the defintion of ethnocentrism is what i am speaking of.

I was addressing what I bolded in your post. I bolded so you could see what I was addressing.
Anway, we're going around and around in circles (because of your frequent bait and switch) and not to mention you are no fun. Bye.

 

[BebsiBolice]

You cannot be serious being a radical feminist and not know their view on PIV?

No I'm not because it's not radical feminist view perhaps an individual.