Somalia population density map (relief web)

[Step a side]

Shabaab hasn’t helped us either. Many many people have moved to Xamar the last 15 years. My personal family has been removed from Galgaduud for 90-100+ years.

Some of my uncles and aunties moved from Banaadir to Lower Shabelle. They visit Xamar every now and then.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Some of my uncles and aunties moved from Banaadir to Lower Shabelle. They visit Xamar every now and then.

That’s good encourage farming it will help population growth as well

 

[AlteKartel]

Some of my uncles and aunties moved from Banaadir to Lower Shabelle. They visit Xamar every now and then.

All roads end in Banaadir for us. I don’t know of anyone who moved out except to go abroad.

 

[Step a side]

That’s good encourage farming it will help population growth as well

You are right. They are all engaged in farming.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

You can be in the bush and not see another person for days. I noticed this in K5 and neighbouring area. Darod lands are especially empty.

Darod live in ~45% of Somalia’s land area. If Darod inhabited areas were as densely populated as the average across all of Somalia, Darod would be 45% of the population. That is of course not the case.

 

[Riftvalley]

Somalia as a whole is not a dense country by any means but it really is a wasteland between the Shabelle and western SL. Boosaaso area is a slight exception but there’s pretty much nothing going on in that region besides that.

Not a bad thing. Somalia is hard for any foreign army to control in its entirety. It helped defeat the Oromo and Ethiopian invasions of the past when towns were abandoned and the interior was the place of retreat/mobilisation. The British and Italian struggled with the interior.

 

[AlteKartel]

Not a bad thing. Somalia is hard for any foreign army to control in its entirety. It helped defeat the Oromo and Ethiopian invasions of the past when town were abandoned and the interior was the place of retreat. The British and Italian struggled with the interior.

On the flip side it makes the job of any Somali government harder. Much more difficult to control a population with a high proportion of pastoralists than an agrarian one; nomadic-based cultures don’t necessarily lend themselves towards stable styles of governance as easily. We are the way we are becuase of necessity. If there were non-seasonal rivers north of the Shabelle those areas would be more dense and we’d likely be much more agrarian.

 

[Riftvalley]

On the flip side it makes the job of any Somali government harder. Much more difficult to control a population with a high proportion of pastoralists than an agrarian one; nomadic-based cultures don’t necessarily lend themselves towards stable styles of governance as easily. We are the way we are becuase of necessity. If there were non-seasonal rivers north of the Shabelle those areas would be more dense and we’d likely be much more agrarian.

It makes it harder but don’t forget Somali pastoralists are often very loyal to their governments and administrations so long as there is a valid social contract and justice.

A bigger impediment is how Ethiopia/Kenya host Somali “reconciliation” conferences and they use different admins in Somalia as tools or “buffer states” to stop the rise of Somali nationalism.

 

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

Like I already suspected majority of the population is centred around the southern interiverine regions. Makes sense as that is the breadbasket of Somalia.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

How is it possible:
a) Galgaduud more populous than Hiran?
b) Togfheer twice the population of Sool?

i) Togdheer's population equal to Sool & Sanaag?​

ii) Outside of Burco, are there any sizeable towns other than Buhodle? how about sizeable villages?​

c) Xamar twice the size of W Galbeed? Highly unlikely.
d) Middle Juba the lowest populated after Sanaag?

Numbers do not quite compute. defy logic, and reality on the ground. Conjecture, and rough estimations?

 

[Step a side]

How is it possible:
a) Galgaduud more populous than Hiran?
b) Togfheer twice the population of Sool?

i) Togdheer's population equal to Sool & Sanaag?​

ii) Outside of Burco, are there any sizeable towns other than Buhodle? how about sizeable villages?​

c) Xamar twice the size of W Galbeed? Highly unlikely.
d) Middle Juba the lowest populated after Sanaag?

Numbers do not quite compute. defy logic, and reality on the ground. Conjecture, and rough estimations?

Galguduud is fertile. Somalis from SL and PL moved to Jacar a town in Ceelbuur district during the Dabadheer drought in the 70s while other drought stricken communities were sent to Koonfur Galbeed and Jubaland

 

[AlteKartel]

How is it possible:
a) Galgaduud more populous than Hiran?
b) Togfheer twice the population of Sool?

i) Togdheer's population equal to Sool & Sanaag?​

ii) Outside of Burco, are there any sizeable towns other than Buhodle? how about sizeable villages?​

c) Xamar twice the size of W Galbeed? Highly unlikely.
d) Middle Juba the lowest populated after Sanaag?

Numbers do not quite compute. defy logic, and reality on the ground. Conjecture, and rough estimations?

Everything is conjecture and estimation in Somalia, but on point C, it’s more likely they underestimated the population of Waqooyi Galbeed than overestimated Xamar.

 

[Fez]

How is it possible:
a) Galgaduud more populous than Hiran?
b) Togfheer twice the population of Sool?

i) Togdheer's population equal to Sool & Sanaag?​

ii) Outside of Burco, are there any sizeable towns other than Buhodle? how about sizeable villages?​

c) Xamar twice the size of W Galbeed? Highly unlikely.
d) Middle Juba the lowest populated after Sanaag?

Numbers do not quite compute. defy logic, and reality on the ground. Conjecture, and rough estimations?

Take any data on Middle Juba with a grain of salt. Its been AS central for over 10 years

 

[AlteKartel]

Take any data on Middle Juba with a grain of salt. Its been AS central for over 10 years

Yeah shabaab-controlled areas tend to see depopulation for urban areas, probably at a higher rate than non-shabaab controlled areas. Of course this is based on central Somalia. Reality might be different for the south.

 

[Arkan]

Mudug with a population the same as Waqooyi Galbeed is nuts

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

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Galguduud is fertile. Somalis from SL and PL moved to Jacar a town in Ceelbuur district during the Dabadheer drought in the 70s while other drought stricken communities were sent to Koonfur Galbeed and Jubaland

How big is Jacar? Bigger than Guriceel?
Was not Ceelbuur, at one time, the business hub for the Hobyo Sultanate?

Yeah shabaab-controlled areas tend to see depopulation for urban areas, probably at a higher rate than non-shabaab controlled areas.

I thought the opposite was true?

 

[Hilmaam]

somalia population according to this 16.7 million. i believe even that is over estimation. every org is incentivized to exxagerate whether its somali govt trying to get more aid and support. Or NGO and westerners who want to overstate problems and number of people they helped

 

[Step a side]

How big is Jacar?
Was not Ceelbuur, at one time, the business hub for the Hobyo Sultanate?

Nah you’re wrong. Ceelbuur was an Italian colony. It also served as the capital of Galguduud way up to 1991. In fact the whole of Galguduud from Marexaan Sinadqo up to the coast where the waceysla live was officially called Ceelbuur.

 

[Hilmaam]

Federal State	Regions Covered	Population_Total
Somaliland	Awdal, Woqooyi Galbeed, Togdheer(70%), Sanaag (50%)	2,454,042
Puntland	Bari, Nugaal, N.Mudug (50%)	2,199,178
Galmudug	Galgaduud, S. Mudug (50%)	1,309,586
Hirshabelle	Hiraan, Middle Shabelle	1,284,519
South West State	Bay, Bakool, Lower Shabelle	2,863,593
Jubaland	Gedo, Lower Juba, Middle Juba	2,080,632
Banadir	Banadir	2,683,312
Mahkir/Khatumo	Sool, Sanaag (50%), Togdheere (30%)	864,316

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Nah you’re wrong. Ceelbuur was an Italian colony. It also served as the capital of Galguduud way up to 1991. In fact the whole of Galguduud from Marexaan Sinadqo up to the coast where the waceysla live was officially called Ceelbuur.

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Well before the Italians captured it with Eritrean militias.