Somalia should never be fully ruled by the law of Allah

Somalia should never be fully ruled by the law of Allah

  • I want the law of Allah to be fully implemented

    Votes: 58 59.2%
  • I prefer the current system, which incorporates the law of Allah in a partial way

    Votes: 14 14.3%
  • Somalia should be secular

    Votes: 26 26.5%

  • Total voters
    98

Fobnimo Till I Dhimo

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I want to hear your thoughts on what you'd prefer the most.

implementing the law of God to its fullest extent, with the most qualified individuals in charge across every field, whether it's education, law, foreign relations, import/export, infrastructure development, or anything else essential for national progress, where there would be no favoritism, no corruption, no extremists in government, and no one above the law. Or do you prefer the current situation, where each region governs itself under God's law, but not fully?

They argue that such a move would set the country back by millennia, leading to extreme stagnation and risking blacklisting from the global trading system, which is monopolized by the wealthiest nations.

This explains why many non-Western countries emphasize their commitment to democratic values, often highlighting their adherence to democratic principles as a strategy to appease these wealthier nations. These powerful countries control significant investments and major development projects that are vital for the growth of developing nations. By aligning with these global powers, non-Western countries secure international benefits, such as financial aid and market access, which are contingent on their global standing. However, countries with weaker economies often receive minimal support, support that is frequently conditional and influenced by decisions that may benefit other nations rather than their own. These countries are effectively controlled by the small amount of support they receive and are always reminded of who is keeping them in charge.


Their political systems are often built on the premise of doing whatever it takes to please those who provide aid, aiming to avoid a harsher life while simultaneously entering into dubious long-term deals that could leave them in debt for centuries.

Funny how people with such mindsets always come to power, they often say that failure to please the wealthy nations controlling market access will jeopardize the country's success. Thus, they avoid fully implementing law of Allah due to the losses that come with it, which outweigh the benefits crucial to their economic and political stability. This cautious approach stems from the fear of severe economic sanctions and widespread poverty, though such outcomes are not guaranteed.

They’d prefer to maintain the current system and be good, well-behaved stooges who toe the line and do as they are told, just like everyone else. When I think about how the world is set up at the moment, it reminds me of this quote from Umar Ibn Al Khattab: “We were the most humiliated people on earth and God gave us honour through Islam. If we ever seek honour through anything else, God will humiliate us again.”.
 
I want to hear your thoughts on what you'd prefer the most.

implementing the law of God to its fullest extent, with the most qualified individuals in charge across every field, whether it's education, law, foreign relations, import/export, infrastructure development, or anything else essential for national progress, where there would be no favoritism, no corruption, no extremists in government, and no one above the law. Or do you prefer the current situation, where each region governs itself under God's law, but not fully?

They argue that such a move would set the country back by millennia, leading to extreme stagnation and risking blacklisting from the global trading system, which is monopolized by the wealthiest nations.

This explains why many non-Western countries emphasize their commitment to democratic values, often highlighting their adherence to democratic principles as a strategy to appease these wealthier nations. These powerful countries control significant investments and major development projects that are vital for the growth of developing nations. By aligning with these global powers, non-Western countries secure international benefits, such as financial aid and market access, which are contingent on their global standing. However, countries with weaker economies often receive minimal support, support that is frequently conditional and influenced by decisions that may benefit other nations rather than their own. These countries are effectively controlled by the small amount of support they receive and are always reminded of who is keeping them in charge.


Their political systems are often built on the premise of doing whatever it takes to please those who provide aid, aiming to avoid a harsher life while simultaneously entering into dubious long-term deals that could leave them in debt for centuries.

Funny how people with such mindsets always come to power, they often say that failure to please the wealthy nations controlling market access will jeopardize the country's success. Thus, they avoid fully implementing law of Allah due to the losses that come with it, which outweigh the benefits crucial to their economic and political stability. This cautious approach stems from the fear of severe economic sanctions and widespread poverty, though such outcomes are not guaranteed.

They’d prefer to maintain the current system and be good, well-behaved stooges who toe the line and do as they are told, just like everyone else. When I think about how the world is set up at the moment, it reminds me of this quote from Umar Ibn Al Khattab: “We were the most humiliated people on earth and God gave us honour through Islam. If we ever seek honour through anything else, God will humiliate us again.”.
If it will substantially help the progresses and the development of the country then It should be adhered to. The political systems in place should be changed. Aswell as the system which is based off religious principles. There is hope for Somalia. Lets just be on watch for the events and progressions of the world from now on. As to learn from it and implement what this Society (Somalia, ect) so desperately needs.
 

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A interesting video to watch on this topic. I think somalia should take the route that is presented in this video
 

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What does shariah mean tho?

In Shafi/Maliki/Hanbali madhab, those who miss their salah out of laziness are to be executed. So should somalis implement this law in which anyone missing salah out of laziness is to be killed? Should CCTV be installed in public to monitor whether people are praying when outside, and an intelligence agency to track it? Is that shariah?
 
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Anyone who isn’t for ruling by the sharia needs to have a hard look at themselves and ask themselves if they truly believe in Allah
Somalia needs laws that reflect the modern world. Clinging to outdated systems from the 6th century without the natural resource wealth to back it up will result in failure. Even Saudi Arabia is abandoning Sharia. It’s time to move on.

You guys always talk about how certain countries “didn’t fully implement sharia and therefore sharia is not to blame for its problems” but when has that ever been the case? There is a reason why the most pro-sharia countries don’t fully implement sharia.

They only implement the authoritarian aspects of sharia law that give them an excuse to oppress their population or use sharia some family/civil laws. Other than that, they won’t touch sharia. The people who actually try to implement sharia or always terrorists or extremists. It’s time you guys reflect on yourselves and ask why is that?

Basically what I’m trying to say is that Sharia is an outdated system from a bygone era and should never be used in the modern age. A system which is inherently oppressive and restricts freedom, creativity and expression.
 

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What does shariah mean tho?

In Shafi/Maliki/Hanbali madhab, those who miss their salah out of laziness are to be executed. So should somalis implement this law in which anyone missing salah out of laziness is to be killed? Should CCTV be installed in public to monitor whether people are praying in public, and an intelligence agency to track it? Is that shariah?
Say wallahi this is real :dead: :dead: :dead:
 
What does shariah mean tho?

In Shafi/Maliki/Hanbali madhab, those who miss their salah out of laziness are to be executed. So should somalis implement this law in which anyone missing salah out of laziness is to be killed? Should CCTV be installed in public to monitor whether people are praying in public, and an intelligence agency to track it? Is that shariah?
That’s the thing, sharia will always mean some guy getting executed for the smallest thing. Didn’t grow your beard? Execution. It will inevitably lead to religious nutjobs constantly trying to one up each other to prove their religiosity, all at the expense of common people.

Remember that girl in Pakistan that got beaten and attacked for wearing a dress with Arabic letters on it? No offense to Pakistanis, but that will be Somalia with sharia. A place where people get killed by religious zealots for little to no reason.
 
I want to hear your thoughts on what you'd prefer the most.

implementing the law of God to its fullest extent, with the most qualified individuals in charge across every field, whether it's education, law, foreign relations, import/export, infrastructure development, or anything else essential for national progress, where there would be no favoritism, no corruption, no extremists in government, and no one above the law. Or do you prefer the current situation, where each region governs itself under God's law, but not fully?

They argue that such a move would set the country back by millennia, leading to extreme stagnation and risking blacklisting from the global trading system, which is monopolized by the wealthiest nations.

This explains why many non-Western countries emphasize their commitment to democratic values, often highlighting their adherence to democratic principles as a strategy to appease these wealthier nations. These powerful countries control significant investments and major development projects that are vital for the growth of developing nations. By aligning with these global powers, non-Western countries secure international benefits, such as financial aid and market access, which are contingent on their global standing. However, countries with weaker economies often receive minimal support, support that is frequently conditional and influenced by decisions that may benefit other nations rather than their own. These countries are effectively controlled by the small amount of support they receive and are always reminded of who is keeping them in charge.


Their political systems are often built on the premise of doing whatever it takes to please those who provide aid, aiming to avoid a harsher life while simultaneously entering into dubious long-term deals that could leave them in debt for centuries.

Funny how people with such mindsets always come to power, they often say that failure to please the wealthy nations controlling market access will jeopardize the country's success. Thus, they avoid fully implementing law of Allah due to the losses that come with it, which outweigh the benefits crucial to their economic and political stability. This cautious approach stems from the fear of severe economic sanctions and widespread poverty, though such outcomes are not guaranteed.

They’d prefer to maintain the current system and be good, well-behaved stooges who toe the line and do as they are told, just like everyone else. When I think about how the world is set up at the moment, it reminds me of this quote from Umar Ibn Al Khattab: “We were the most humiliated people on earth and God gave us honour through Islam. If we ever seek honour through anything else, God will humiliate us again.”.
I support a secular democratic government where religion and state are separate. We’re in desperate need of a leader like Atatürk :damedamn:
 

Gacmeey

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Somalia needs laws that reflect the modern world. Clinging to outdated systems from the 6th century without the natural resource wealth to back it up will result in failure. Even Saudi Arabia is abandoning Sharia. It’s time to move on.

You guys always talk about how certain countries “didn’t fully implement sharia and therefore sharia is not to blame for its problems” but when has that ever been the case? There is a reason why the most pro-sharia countries don’t fully implement sharia.

They only implement the authoritarian aspects of sharia law that give them an excuse to oppress their population or use sharia some family/civil laws. Other than that, they won’t touch sharia. The people who actually try to implement sharia or always terrorists or extremists. It’s time you guys reflect on yourselves and ask why is that?

Basically what I’m trying to say is that Sharia is an outdated system from a bygone era and should never be used in the modern age. A system which is inherently oppressive and restricts freedom, creativity and expression.
No country today implements sharia. They might source some of their laws from sharia or say Quran is their constitution but their system is mostly napoleonic or British in structure and the facade of the shariah is used as legitimatising tool for some. (btw I’m not saying there is no muslim country)

Shariah is an entire seperate paradigm that is characterised by robust laws and a clear separation of powers between legislative, executive and judiciary. Shariah means that sovereignty lies with God and not with the state and all authorities are accountable to Allah. Shariah is an independent judiciary outside the purview of the government both legally and financially. Shariah is a legislative occupied by Allah’s words and the prophets sunnah and is authoritative (not influenced by another branch of power) and it seeks to create a moral subject. Shariah is a communal law that is deducible from binding higher principles completely different from a system of law that is ‘by the people for the people’. Shariah is something that achieves true representation. Anyone can be a qadi or a mufti and fatwa provided they have the requisite knowledge whether they be from a lower class or a upper class. Shariah is much deeper than some laws it’s a entirely structural concept it’s fundamentally different and opposed to modernity in terms of what it aims to achieve.

How is any of this oppressive?
 

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What does shariah mean tho?

In Shafi/Maliki/Hanbali madhab, those who miss their salah out of laziness are to be executed. So should somalis implement this law in which anyone missing salah out of laziness is to be killed? Should CCTV be installed in public to monitor whether people are praying in public, and an intelligence agency to track it? Is that shariah?

This is a topic that needs to be expanded upon by knowledgeable scholars, ideally with multiple videos dedicated to it. It would be unfortunate if people used this as propaganda to frame the religion in a certain way. The way you presented it only reinforces the impression that you’re someone who enjoys pointless back-and-forths without any real benefit or learning. These kinds of topics are not something to be joked about, and it gives the impression that you’re mocking the deen.

This is the best explanation i could find on the topic👇🏾


Yes, that is the position of the Maliki school. The Hanafi school’s ruling is that such people are to be imprisoned until they do pray. (al Mawsu’a al Kuwaitiyya) However, these rulings need to be understood in their proper context.

Context of the Narations

At the start of Islam, in the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), it was important to ensure that people’s practice of the din was strong. A deviation then would have compounded as time went on, and it would have been a much bigger issue centuries later.

For this reason, there are strong wordings in many narrations, such as, “Whoever leaves [the prayer] has rejected.“ (Tirmidhi) Scholars have explained that such wordings are intentionally intensified (taghliz), and this does not mean they are literal. Not praying does not take one out of Islam – unless one rejects the obligation of the Prayer.

Context of the Rulings

These rulings were derived in the context of people living in a Muslim state willingly. This means they agree to follow all the laws, just as is the case with any state.

The laws regarding the prayer were there to ensure a certain level of public practice was maintained. This is for everyone’s benefit. In this life, and in the next. The context of the prayer’s significance in the Akhira is important too.

Also, if religious and moral standards slip on a public level, many people who are vulnerable are likely to be influenced by matters that are detrimental to them. This is why media has age ratings, for example. Without a fiter, standards fall significantly everywhere.

The Prayer was deemed the boundary for outward practice that needs to be upheld, as people are free to practice how they want behind closed doors. Also, with the significance of the prayer, anyone who neglects it is likely to neglect other aspects of the din. Note also, that the Prayer has a purifying and uplifting element that affects everyone.

Contemporary Applications

The above was, in the time the schools of law were codified, most likely a theoretical discussion. However, with the slipping of religious and moral standards in many places, and the sheer number of people not praying today, the ruling would not be enforced if there was a proper Muslims state.

As you pointed out, many would be affected, so it would not be viable. The focus would be on promoting religious knowledge and guidance. This is the needs people have as these matters affect them forever in the Akhira.

May Allah grant you the best of both worlds.

[Shaykh] Abdul-Rahim




 

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I support a secular democratic government where religion and state are separate. We’re in desperate need of a leader like Atatürk :damedamn:
It's ok to dream.


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