Somalia should split up

[black]

If your Bantu or Cadcad I'm sorry for having you wait in the sidelines for this movie to get going. Playing Somalia is more difficult than watching Somalia.

With this analogy:

We are still fighting over who will press play on the movie. Just sit tight our new plan is to hold a stick together and push the play button together.

Bedouin ban raci kari waynay. Oil, gas iyo balayo marabo aan. How long are we going to wait on our arse for the Carab money to come through so we can finally develop some industries. I just want this nonsense to stop so I can fish without having to worry about foreign vessels destroying my stocks and dumping toxic waste on my shores. We have the longest coastline in mainland Africa, a decent amount of arable land yet our export treemap looks like it's from 16th century Wales. I read somewhere that in 2005 South Korean vessels among other culprits took an estimated $100m worth of fish from Somali waters while destroying maritime life in the process.

 

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Bedouin ban raci kari waynay. Oil, gas iyo balayo marabo aan. How long are we going to wait on our arse for the Carab money to come through so we can finally develop some industries. I just want this nonsense to stop so I can fish without having to worry about foreign vessels destroying my stocks and dumping toxic waste on my shores. We have the longest coastline in mainland Africa, a decent amount of arable land yet our export treemap looks like it's from 16th century Wales. I read somewhere that in 2005 South Korean vessels among other culprits took an estimated $100m worth of fish from Somali waters while destroying maritime life in the process.

Somali calacaal usually starts with this:

•We the have longest coastline
•We have Fish
•We have an arbitrary number of missing revenue from fishing
•We get dumped with toxic waste
•We have an arbitrary number of reserve in oil
•We have this and we have that.


Let me fill you in on something. Somalia is going 100% private equity. If they government can't do anything, small Somalia firms will begin like LG and Samsung did as little trading companies and fishing companies that reinvest profit into other infant industries. The most trusted Somali company will be a Somali funded one and when they emerge it will be through private equity.

Until then sit tight my little diluted Cushitic cadcad friend.

Or you can always head back to Oman. Muscat is my favourite Arabian city. You just head back if things get worse and bail.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Somalis don't hate each other, it's a big charade by corrupt elites and diasporans stuck in 1991

 

[MadNomad]

You want to Balkanize an already tiny area/group into even tinier worthless countries. While the rest of the world thinks about expansion. You not only split and divide the people (which most of you don't care about). You split up the resources, land, manpower, and any clout we could ever hope to salvage in this world. How can you compare somalia as it is today to large swathes of the world like Europe or the Arab world? It's like the United States splitting up each state becoming a country, they would become irrelevant overnight and were not nearly as large as the states. Everything you mentioned can be and should be worked out as a country, if you believe Somalis can't as a country what makes you think they can as different clan based countries? That would only make matters worse. It makes 0 sense, the world is building empires and controlling other countries and you people want to become medieval city states. All over ego and clan, so backwards.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Mudane @black comes with a creative solution to unite Somalis but y'all still dreaming of a centralized Somaliweyn. Niggas still stuck in 1969

They're fake. The "muh unionism" crew are the same ones insulting other qabiils in another thread. I would rather share a country with cobra snakes than these creatures. At least snakes don't pretend to be something they're not.

 

[MadNomad]

Mudane @black comes with a creative solution to unite Somalis but y'all still dreaming of a centralized Somaliweyn. Niggas still stuck in 1969

It's as @embarassing said. Splitting up would make us irrelevant on the world stage.

 

[Prince Abubu]

It's as @embarassing said. Splitting up would make us irrelevant on the world stage.

I got news for you son, we're already irrelevant.

 

[MadNomad]

I got news for you son, we're already irrelevant.

Obviously, but any hope of changing that would fly out the window if @black got his way.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Obviously, but any hope of changing that would fly out the window if @black got his way.

@black is thinking with his brain not with his emotions. He's the only one that's offered intelligent and cogent arguments. The rest of you are just using fake nationalist rhetoric and appeals to emotion. A unified Somali state is a dream, a mirage. Somalia gives no indication of ever fixing itself. Somaliland has no interest in rejoining a failed project and all the other regions have no interest in Somaliweyn either. As I said, fix your country first. You offer nothing for the rest of the Somali regions.

Also, saying a recognised Somaliland would fall under Ethiopian influence is stupidly absurd. Somaliland already is under Ethiopian influence. Why? Because braindead southerners who can't think long-term have decided to keep it weak and unrecognised. A Somaliland that is officially recognised, has a UN seat and access to investment would be stronger and less susceptible to Ethiopian domination.

Also using Ethiopia as a boogeyman is ridiculous when you have Ethiopian AMISOM troops in your country and Gabre interfering in your politics!

 

[MadNomad]

@black is thinking with his brain not with his emotions. He's the only one that's offered intelligent and cogent arguments. The rest of you are just using fake nationalist rhetoric and appeals to emotion. A unified Somali state is a dream, a mirage. Somalia gives no indication of ever fixing itself. Somaliland has no interest in rejoining a failed project and all the other regions have no interest in Somaliweyn either. As I said, fix your country first. You offer nothing for the rest of the Somali regions.

Also, saying a recognised Somaliland would fall under Ethiopian influence is stupidly absurd. Somaliland already is under Ethiopian influence. Why? Because braindead southerners who can't think long-term have decided to keep it weak and unrecognised. A Somaliland that is officially recognised, has a UN seat and access to investment would be stronger and less susceptible to Ethiopian domination.

Put any person in any country during its dark periods in history and you would say the same thing.

19th century @Prince Abubu: "Just let the south secede! The United States is a dream, a mirage. They will never work out their problems."

It's short sighted. If other countries moved on and united after murdering each other for decades in bloody Civil wars, so can Somalia. Splitting up a tiny country into even tinier states would only make us weaker, poorer, and irrelevant.

 

[horumar]

Puntland should stay with Somalia, they cannot survive as a separate state.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Its a silly idea.
If u said lets adopt the system of UAE then i might slightly agree.
Separate entities but with one unifying great Amiir (symbolic leader) and one army.
The amiir stays only 5 years and doesnt intervene in the policies of other "emirates".


This comes from hardcore centralist!

 

[Prince Abubu]

Put any person in any country during its dark periods in history and you would say the same thing.

19th century @Prince Abubu: "Just let the south secede! The United States is a dream, a mirage. They will never work out their problems."

It's short sighted. If other countries moved on and united after murdering each other for decades in bloody Civil wars, so can Somalia. Splitting up a tiny country into even tinier states would only make us weaker, poorer, and irrelevant.

You can't compare yourself to the American north. The Causus Belli of the American civil war was the emancipation of the slaves. The Unionist's weren't a failed state. In fact, they were a highly industrialised and advanced country. More importantly, the Unionist's weren't corrupt tribalists that tried wipe out the south. They were patriots who fought to end the evil of slavery and keep their country intact. Do not compare yourselves to them. This what I mean when I say southerners are delusional. They try to use non-existent historical precedent.

 

[MadNomad]

You can't compare yourself to the American north. The Causus Belli of the American civil war was the emancipation of the slaves. The Unionist's weren't a failed state. In fact, they were a highly industrialised and advanced country. More importantly, the Unionist's weren't corrupt tribalists that tried wipe out the south. They were patriots who fought to end the evil of slavery and keep their country intact. Do not compare yourselves to them. This what I mean when say southerners are delusional.

You could compare Somalias situation to African countries who have gone through civil wars if you like, my point remains the same.

 

[Prince Abubu]

You could compare Somalias situation to African countries who have gone through civil wars if you like, my point remains the same.

First, other African countries whose lands and resources are controlled by a few corrupt dictators and western corporations is not a model I would like to follow. Many of these states are on the brink of civil war even Nigeria can implode any minute.

Second, your arguments have been dismantled. Your whole argument is that it's better to stay together than separate. I've explained to you why the former is not possible in these current circumstances. So you can either keep flogging a dead horse and watch as other nations move forward and Ethiopia/Kenya have more influence over Somali states. Or you can let the peaceful and stable regions of Somalia go their own way, hopefully to unite in the future when we have more civilised, democratic and stable societies.

 

[MadNomad]

First, other African countries whose lands and resources are controlled by a few corrupt dictators and western corporations is not a model I would like to follow. Many of these states are on the brink of civil war even Nigeria can implode any minute.

Second, your arguments have been dismantled. Your whole argument is that it's better to stay together than separate. I've explained to you why the former is not possible in these current circumstances. So you can either keep flogging a dead horse and watch as other nations move forward and Ethiopia/Kenya have more influence over Somali states. Or you can let the peaceful and stable regions of Somalia go their own way, hopefully to unite in the future when we have more civilised, democratic and stable societies.

I disagree. There will be no re-unification once officially split up. People will develop national identities around their respective regions.

Either way, i see no logical reason in splitting up. You keep talking about "fixing my country". If we all split up, what country will be left? Mogadishu? No. I believe staying together is the only way Somalia will ever be worth for shit.

But by all means, keep on believing that splitting up into small irrelevant states will somehow cause prosperity. Now who is it that believes in a faux dream.

 

[Prince Abubu]

So, basically misery loves company? I get it.

 

[MadNomad]

So, basically misery loves company? I get it.

Nope, just being realistic. You have an absolutist mindset about unity. "unity failed once so it will never work in the future", well i disagree.

 

[waraabe]

This has already been discussed to death. We just don't want a union with wanlawein. Somaliland is here to stay and there is nothing that is going to change that.

 

[Yonis]

Calling for the balkanization of Somalia is equivalent to opting for Somali genocide. Those tiny states will fall under either the sphere of influence of Ethiopia or Kenya. Choose your master.