Somalis unite

[BebsiBolice]

I somewhat disagree here, man. I don't think Somalia needs "democracy" or any sort of genuine "republicanism" right now. I would much prefer something akin to the China-model where a single party runs the state and pushes toward economic growth and social development. Of course, this is unlikely to ever happen in Somalia or anywhere in Africa because the dictators or dominant parties that form in these regions are usually greedy shit-eaters who live comfortably while the general populace remains poor:

They don't tend to be like the Chinese Communist Party or like monarchies in places like Oman, Qatar and UAE which, say what you will about them, do work toward the prosperity of their people, just so long as said people don't rebel against the local government. But the reason I'm against "democracy" and true-blue "republicanism" in a country like Somalia is because the majority of our people are much too imbecilic for that.

I'm serious... We have qabiilists, islamists and all around morons of various sorts in every corner. You think these people will create a prosperous 21st century nation-state without at least a generation of being re-educated and living up to first world standards in a stable and unified home country? You don't let little children control their own fate and I say the same when it comes to several underdeveloped countries in places like Africa and Asia - they are usually not ready for "self-determination".

Here are some the things holding Somalia back which can be changed by the locals themselves:

• Widespread corruption
• Clanism
• Islamism (or "Fundamentalist Islam")

Be serious... You think average everyday Somalis would seriously solve these issues if they were allowed to control their own fate? I seriously doubt that. More fundamentalist and hard-line forms of Islam are quite popular among the masses (who have the nerve to dress pre-pubescent girls in these goddamned trash bags), you can see how popular qabiilism is among the masses via these various websites and forums alone and, at the same time, I sincerely doubt truly elected high officials would be meaningfully less corrupt than the likes of the current elites.

Somalia would have or would be best served with a Kemal Atatürk-esque figure. A "benevolent dictator" (with somewhat of an iron-grip on the country) of sorts, but fat chance of that ever happening. Nowadays I've come to accept that there probably is no hope for Somalia without such a figure backed by a like-minded party. I really really wish that was not the case but it is.

Japan and even the European countries you all flock to - most of them were not industrialized under "democracies", they were instead industrialized under Imperial or generally some form of dictatorial rule. The people started "self-determining" and building truly modern nations after this. The West is truly anus fucking the 3rd world by pushing "democracy" on them before they're ready.

Nobody bring up Siad Barre and act like we actually "tried this". That guy was no "benevolent dictator".

Welcome to this site!!!

 

[Apollo]

I somewhat disagree here, man. I don't think Somalia needs "democracy" or any sort of genuine "republicanism" right now. I would much prefer something akin to the China-model where a single party runs the state and pushes toward economic growth and social development. Of course, this is unlikely to ever happen in Somalia or anywhere in Africa because the dictators or dominant parties that form in these regions are usually greedy shit-eaters who live comfortably while the general populace remains poor:

They don't tend to be like the Chinese Communist Party or like monarchies in places like Oman, Qatar and UAE which, say what you will about them, do work toward the prosperity of their people, just so long as said people don't rebel against the local government. But the reason I'm against "democracy" and true-blue "republicanism" in a country like Somalia is because the majority of our people are much too imbecilic for that.

I'm serious... We have qabiilists, islamists and all around morons of various sorts in every corner. You think these people will create a prosperous 21st century nation-state without at least a generation of being re-educated and living up to first world standards in a stable and unified home country? You don't let little children control their own fate and I say the same when it comes to several underdeveloped countries in places like Africa and Asia - they are usually not ready for "self-determination".

Here are some the things holding Somalia back which can be changed by the locals themselves:

• Widespread corruption
• Clanism
• Islamism (or "Fundamentalist Islam")

Be serious... You think average everyday Somalis would seriously solve these issues if they were allowed to control their own fate? I seriously doubt that. More fundamentalist and hard-line forms of Islam are quite popular among the masses (who have the nerve to dress pre-pubescent girls in these goddamned trash bags), you can see how popular qabiilism is among the masses via these various websites and forums alone and, at the same time, I sincerely doubt truly elected high officials would be meaningfully less corrupt than the likes of the current elites.

Somalia would have or would be best served with a Kemal Atatürk-esque figure. A "benevolent dictator" (with somewhat of an iron-grip on the country) of sorts, but fat chance of that ever happening. Nowadays I've come to accept that there probably is no hope for Somalia without such a figure backed by a like-minded party. I really really wish that was not the case but it is.

Japan and even the European countries you all flock to - most of them were not industrialized under "democracies", they were instead industrialized under Imperial or generally some form of dictatorial rule. The people started "self-determining" and building truly modern nations after this. The West is truly anus fucking the 3rd world by pushing "democracy" on them before they're ready.

Nobody bring up Siad Barre and act like we actually "tried this". That guy was no "benevolent dictator".

Most of the West isn't democratic. The U.S. has a rigged duopoly and legalized corporate bribery. The UK has a rigged system with First Past the Post. Continental Europe is rigged by the EU as they decide most of the crucial policies and not the elected national governments.

Possibly only Australia and New Zealand are the only true democracies.

 

[Moravia]

Walaweyn refers to a village in Southern Somalia, it goes back to the 60s when corruption was rampant, Walaweyn tallied a hugely disproportionate amount of votes during an election, clearly done to sway the election. That's when the Isaaq began to comically used the word to refer to southerners.

 

[Apollo]

I have never met a qabiliste Somali irl so maybe the internet just attracts some of our 'not so brightest.'

Oh boy, just go to any Somali Cafe where unemployed old guys sit around. All you hear is Qabiil.

 

[Mohamud]

I am confident that in every somali community there is at least one coffee shop with at least one former army general who was top of his class and swears his qabil is the qabil of Kings


Confident

 

[VixR]

Walaweyn refers to a village in Southern Somalia, it goes back to the 60s when corruption was rampant, Walaweyn tallied a hugely disproportionate amount of votes during an election, clearly done to sway the election. That's when the Isaaq began to comically used the word to refer to southerners.

@RudeBoi

Tell us the history of galdaan. Lemme guess, a negative township in the North, perhaps a hill or notable well, or port Southerners hold in contempt in return?

 

[RudeBoi]

@RudeBoi

Tell us the history of galdaan. Lemme guess, a negative township in the North, perhaps a hill or notable well, or port Southerners hold in contempt in return?

The story of Qaldaan is very funny.Qaldaan started when walaweyn
started coming to Hargeisa for work.Hargeisa was like Saudi Arabia for these folks.
Anyways the southerners started to notice that these northerners were not stingy folks like them and were willing to let them keep the change.
They thought something was wrong with us therefore we got the term qaldaan(the one who is wrong).


Walaweyn still means negroe as of 2016

 

[VixR]

The story of Qaldaan is very funny.Qaldaan started when walaweyn
started coming to Hargeisa for work.Hargeisa was like Saudi Arabia for these folks.
Anyways the southerners started to notice that these northerners were not stingy folks like them and were willing to let them keep the change.
They thought something was wrong with us therefore we got the term qaldaan(the one who is wrong).


Walaweyn still means negroe as of 2016

Keeping the change = 'qaldaan'. No offense, I'm gonna need a cosignature

Somalis are whack wallahi, the entire south is now identified by that town, and Northerners are 'the wrong ones'

 

[Bahal]

My nigga is a comedian wallahi



Keep the change

 

[RudeBoi]

My nigga is a comedian wallahi



Keep the change

We are generous folks

 

[VixR]

We are generous folks

 

[Shimbiris]

Welcome to this site!!!

Thanks for the welcome, walaal. I'm not new though. I joined this site a whiiile back but tend to go on these several month long hiatuses then post a little and repeat the process. I do this with most forums. By the way... Is "Noble-Geeljire" still around?

 

[Nin xun]

Thanks for the welcome, walaal. I'm not new though. I joined this site a whiiile back but tend to go on these several month long hiatuses then post a little and repeat the process. I do this with most forums. By the way... Is "Noble-Geeljire" still around?

If you mean regular Geeljire the prolific poster then no because he's banned.

 

[Shimbiris]

If you mean regular Geeljire the profilic poster then no because he's banned.

Hmm, not sure who "regular Geeljire" is or what "profile posting" refers to. He liked to start threads on things like Somali medieval history and swords. We thinking of the same hombre?

 

[Nin xun]

Hmm, not sure who "regular Geeljire" is or what "profile posting" refers to. He liked to start threads on things like Somali medieval history and swords. We thinking of the same hombre?

Meant prolific, yeah it's him that's banned.

 

[Shimbiris]

Meant prolific, yeah it's him that's banned.

Hhahahahaha! Sorry, I misread you there. Poor guy... Well, I'll leave it at that. Don't wanna contribute to derailing Merca's thread.

 

[BebsiBolice]

Thanks for the welcome, walaal. I'm not new though. I joined this site a whiiile back but tend to go on these several month long hiatuses then post a little and repeat the process. I do this with most forums. By the way... Is "Noble-Geeljire" still around?

No @Geeljire was banned.

 

[Odeg]

Keeping the change = 'qaldaan'. No offense, I'm gonna need a cosignature

Somalis are whack wallahi, the entire south is now identified by that town, and Northerners are 'the wrong ones'

South is identified with that town? I hope you dont think internet jargong have real implications on the ground. If you say wanlaweyn in koonfur you might at best get directions and at worst people might think you are out of your mind. Qaldaans is different and well established term on the ground.

 

[RudeBoi]

South is identified with that town? I hope you dont think internet jargong have real implications on the ground. If you say wanlaweyn in koonfur you might at best get directions and at worst people might think you are out of your mind. Qaldaans is different and well established term on the ground.

As if reer woqooyi go to the south.Lets face the reality there is more chance that a southern negroe refugee in Borama,Gabiley,Bebera.Burco,Hargeisa,Sheikh etc will be called a walanweyn then a reer woqooyi in the south .There is simply negligible amount of northerners in the south due to the ongoing civil war

Langaab southern dir

 

[Merca]

As if reer woqooyi go to the south.Lets face the reality there is more chance that a southern negroe refugee in Borama,Gabiley,Bebera.Burco,Hargeisa,Sheikh etc will be called a walanweyn then a reer woqooyi in the south .There is simply negligible amount of northerners in the south due to the ongoing civil war

Langaab southern dir

There are plenty of reer waqooyi in Mogadishu. I've never heard of the terms "walanweyn" and "qaldaan" before.