Somalis were Sufi and Shafi’i for over 700 years, how did Wahhabism/Salafism wipe it out in 2 generations?

[TekNiKo]

Lmao, funny girl. Wahhabi actions are bad, but let’s teach their books. Hilarious. The guy who thinks makkah and madinah were all kaafir is the one whose ideology was right and should be spread, whilst all the Muslim scholars from all madhabs who condemned him and called him khawarij, are wrong. Al Shabab are directly inspired from the original Wahhabi movement, they are not wrong in this regard. Saudi scholars are controlled by the government, they do what they say. If they’re against Arab spring, that’s because the Saudi government was against it.

Abdulwahhab literally rampaged across Arabia and killed women, men and children whom he deemed “mushrikeen”, “grave worshippers” etc. He destroyed mosques, levelled graves that even Asxaaba left sacred. These people idealogy stems from his book “Kitaabu Tawxiid” which teaches people that the Madhabs are not viable and that we must directly interpret hadith and Quran with no respect for scholars.

Heck even Mawliir which has been approved by major scholars like Imam Nawaawi was attacked. Whoever defends this wicked idealogy must be punished.

AUN Siad Barre he would lock up these Saudi brainwashed wadaads.

 

[Badboy4life]

Abdulwahhab literally rampaged across Arabia and killed women, men and children whom he deemed “mushrikeen”, “grave worshippers” etc. He destroyed mosques, levelled graves that even Asxaaba left sacred. These people idealogy stems from his book “Kitaabu Tawxiid” which teaches people that the Madhabs are not viable and that we must directly interpret hadith and Quran with no respect for scholars.

Heck even Mawliir which has been approved by major scholars like Imam Nawaawi was attacked. Whoever defends this wicked idealogy must be punished.

AUN Siad Barre he would lock up these Saudi brainwashed wadaads.

You have never listened to an explanation of kitaabu tawxiid or even read it yourself. And you haven't studied history either, you are just repeating things you have heard.

 

[citrus_samurai]

The Saudi Prince will wipe out Wahhabism from Saudi Arabia. All Muslim countries must do the same. All the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abdul wahabb, salafis, ibn taymiyyah must all be banned from somalia,

Why Ibn Taymiyyah if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[citrus_samurai]

You have never listened to an explanation of kitaabu tawxiid or even read it yourself. And you haven't studied history either, you are just repeating things you have heard.

Kitab at-Tawhid, the same book of creed that contains a narration of Adam (as) committing shirk?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Lets not spread misinformation please. Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen is seen as one of the biggest and most reputable amongst Salafis and he followed the Hanbali school of thought. Madhabs are followed but not staunchy. That is all.

Salafi and Athari might be different, but most Salafis or Salafi leanings tend to be Athari. Most people that follow Athari in Aqeedah agree with the views of Sh. Abdul Wahab in terms of aqeedah, but would differ is their views on his methods and the way he behaved ect.

When salafis attribute themselves to the athari aqeedah they do so only on some few issues but they don’t follow it in it’s entirety. Take for instance their understanding of tawheed & shirk, it differs from imam hanbal, the salaf etc. There’s also other aspects of the Hanbali madhab that they don’t follow.

They follow the athari aqeedah, hanbali madhab insofar as it aligns with their understanding. In fact ibn abdulwahab isn’t even listed in tabaqat al hanbalila (collection of hanbali scholars & jurist) starting with Imam Ahmad. Laakin his brother Suleiman is listed.

Salafis today have simply hijacked the hanbali school as their own using it to spread the najdi dawah. Non-salafi/najdi hanbalis don’t agree with them laakin due to them becoming a minority in their own madhab their opposition to the salafi is hardly known especially in the west.

The image that western muslims have about the najdi dawah & it’s founder ibn abdulwahab is a diluted version of what he taught. Some of his works & history is deliberately not translated into English so as to not expose what that dawah led to.

A lot of people don’t this laakin ibn wahab believed that christians, jews (alongside pagan arabs ) affirmed the Lordship of Allah. Just let that sink in christians who believe Jesus AS is their Lord have not committed shirk Rububiyyah according to miaw. Sc below is from Abu khadijah’s website

He even lists the source, look at the names of those scholars.

The Fundamentals of Tawheed (Monotheism) ―Part 8: Deviation from the required Tawheed

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[World]

Why Ibn Taymiyyah if you don’t mind me asking?

He is not like miaw to be honest as he is a real scholar of Islam, but his teachings and books are used to spread extremism in the modern day. You don’t see al shabab quoting imam nawawi but they will use ibn taymiyyah. Likewise the same for all extremists across the world.

 

[World]

isnt it irnic he is wiping out wahabism and replacing it with complete haram things
surely if he was riding the country of something good he would replace it with a better following of Islam

I’m against that but it’s good that he’s destroying wahhabism. The head of the snake will be cut off. Islam will never be wiped out, but if wahhabism is wiped out it will never return inshallah.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

For anyone interested about the issues regarding the salafi understanding of tawheed. Have a look at the following thread that I made a few yrs ago, if you have questions don’t hesitate to ask inshallah

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/salafi-understanding-of-tawheed.95570/

 

[citrus_samurai]

He is not like miaw to be honest as he is a real scholar of Islam, but his teachings and books are used to spread extremism in the modern day. You don’t see al shabab quoting imam nawawi but they will use ibn taymiyyah. Likewise the same for all extremists across the world.

I would say that the Salafis don’t know that much about him. Wait until they hear that he was a Sufi and took the cloak of the Qadiri Sufi order

 

[Badboy4life]

He is not like miaw to be honest as he is a real scholar of Islam, but his teachings and books are used to spread extremism in the modern day. You don’t see al shabab quoting imam nawawi but they will use ibn taymiyyah. Likewise the same for all extremists across the world.

I've had interactions with ISIS supporters before and you'd be surprised to hear what scholars they quote to justify their actions.

 

[Angelina]

When salafis attribute themselves to the athari aqeedah they do so only on some few issues but they don’t follow it in it’s entirety. Take for instance their understanding of tawheed & shirk, it differs from imam hanbal, the salaf etc. There’s also other aspects of the Hanbali madhab that they don’t follow.

They follow the athari aqeedah, hanbali madhab insofar as it aligns with their understanding. In fact ibn abdulwahab isn’t even listed in tabaqat al hanbalila (collection of hanbali scholars & jurist) starting with Imam Ahmad. Laakin his brother Suleiman is listed.

Salafis today have simply hijacked the hanbali school as their own using it to spread the najdi dawah. Non-salafi/najdi hanbalis don’t agree with them laakin due to them becoming a minority in their own madhab their opposition to the salafi is hardly known especially in the west.

The image that western muslims have about the najdi dawah & it’s founder ibn abdulwahab is a diluted version of what he taught. Some of his works & history is deliberately not translated into English so as to not expose what that dawah led to.

A lot of people don’t this laakin ibn wahab believed that christians, jews (alongside pagan arabs ) affirmed the Lordship of Allah. Just let that sink in christians who believe Jesus AS is their Lord have not committed shirk Rububiyyah according to miaw. Sc below is from Abu khadijah’s website

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The Fundamentals of Tawheed (Monotheism) ―Part 8: Deviation from the required Tawheed

I encourage you to donate a small amount as Sadaqah to GoFundDawah.com so we (at Al-Maktabah As-Salafiyyah) can print and distribute free leaflets and booklets to aid the da’wah of Ahlus-Sunnah and…

abukhadeejah.com

That last part clearly means that all people deep down believe in the oneness of Allah and what stops them is arrogance.

Example, an Athiest that is about to die might pray to Allah, despite saying that God doesn't exist.

With all due respect, you can have issues with Abdul- Wahab, even I do as I don't understand how it was valid for him to rebel when modern day Salafis are staunchly against rebelling against rulers. But why would you twist something to mean something it clearly does not mean?

 

[Deleted L]

Salafi and athari are two completely different things.

Salafis are followers of ibn taymiyyah, and muhammad ibn abdul wahabb.

Likewise, salafis don’t believe in following a madhab. They believe in following the “Quran and sunnah” only (as if madhabs don’t either).

Ibn taymiyyah and muhammad ibn abdul wahabb, and anyone inspired by their teachings should be banned across somalia from preaching.

Unlike Muhammad Ibn Abd al-wahhab, Ibn Taymiyyah is an actual qualified scholar. You’re free to disagree with Imam Ibn Taymiyyah but let’s not disrespect him or put him into the same boat as the extremist MIAW and the Najdi movement who appropriated him for their own agenda.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

@World

Basically wahabism/najidism/salafism was localised to a few places & lacked both the influence & energy to take over compared to the 1st & 2nd Saudi states ( diriyyah emirate ). Laakin due to the establishment of universities & oil money in Saudi Arabia starting from 50s,60s etc it gained momentum & adherence as more & more student from different muslim countries started studying in these universities. Oil money made it reach a global audience than ever before.

When these students went back to their respective countries they continued to spread the najdi dawah, in the beginning a lot of Muslims were receptive to them due the fact that muslim countries were led by brutal secular dictatorships.

However in due time as more people got accustomed to their doctrine opposition began from the various muslims groups who were being attacked & dislodged. Salafis faced a lot of opposition which led them to change tactics they stopped trying to force people to accept their more radical teachings etc & when groups like alshabab etc started to pop up it led them to dilute their doctrine even more.

After all they had to distant themselves from these khawarij etc it’s in these periods that you start seeing salafis fractioning into various sub-groups etc. Those who fell in line with their respective governments began to be known as the madkhalis the more violent ones were the jihadi salafis etc . The period will be around late 80s early 90s that’s when the lines become more or less permanent between the different sub- groups within salafis

 

[World]

Unlike Muhammad Ibn Abd al-wahhab, Ibn Taymiyyah is an actual qualified scholar. You’re free to disagree with Imam Ibn Taymiyyah but let’s not disrespect him or put him into the same boat as the extremist MIAW and the Najdi movement who appropriated him for their own agenda.

I did say this, check post #66. But although he is a scholar of Islam, he was controversial and fringe. He is nothing like MIAW at all, but his teachings today have been used to spread extremism and there is no way around that.

Somalia needs to follow Egypt’s lead and ban all Salafis.

“The Egyptian Ministry of Religious Endowments have launched a campaign to remove the books of scholars that belong to the Salafi movement from all mosques in Egypt.

Names of scholars whose books are to be removed or confiscated:-

– Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab
– Imam Ibn Taymiyyah
– Sheikh Ibn Baz
– Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen
– Sheikh Abu Ishaq al-Huweini
– Sheikh Mohamed Hussein Yacoub
– Sheikh Mohammed Hassan

They have already confiscated 7000 books and CDs from mosque libraries in Cairo, Alexandria and Giza. The authors of these materials include:

– Sheikh Wagdi al-Ghoneim
– Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi
– Sheikh Muhammad al-Maqsood
– Yasser al-Burhami
– Sheikh Abu Ishaq al-Huweini
– Sheikh Mohamed Hussein Yacoub
– Sheikh Mohammed Hassan

The ministry’s department is currently launching an inspection campaign on mosques and libraries in all provinces, to make sure they are free of any books and media calling for “militancy and extremism”.”

Egypt bans Salafi books from mosques

The Egyptian Ministry of Religious Endowments have launched a campaign to remove the books of scholars that belong to the Salafi movement from all mosques in Egypt

muslimvillage.com

 

[World]

@Abu Ash’ari @citrus_samurai

We can’t deny the fact that all the scholars supported imprisoning Ibn Taymiyyah due to his beliefs, so I don’t know why it’s controversial for me to say that his teachings should be banned across Somalia.

Shaykh al-Islam ibn Hajar al-Haytami (D. 974AH) on ibn Taymiyya in his own time and the reality of his followers:

“The scholars of his age rose against him (ibn Taymiyya) and impelled the Sultan to either kill or imprison him, so he imprisoned him until he died and his innovations died out and his darkness disappeared. Then he was supported by followers whose heads Allah has not raised, nor has He granted them power or strength; rather they were afflicted with humiliation and remained under Allah’s wrath, due to their disobedience and their beliefs.”

[ibn Hajar al-Haytami, al-Jawhar al-Munazzam, 31]

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

That last part clearly means that all people deep down believe in the oneness of Allah and what stops them is arrogance.

Example, an Athiest that is about to die might pray to Allah, despite saying that God doesn't exist.

With all due respect, you can have issues with Abdul- Wahab, even I do as I don't understand how it was valid for him to rebel when modern day Salafis are staunchly against rebelling against rulers. But why would you twist something to mean something it clearly does not mean?

There’s an important reason why pagans, jews christians etc all worship others beside Allah. They worship others because of they’ve already committed shirk in Allah’s Lordship.

Worship is only a result of believing in Rububiyyah, meaning a person can’t have tawheed of Lordship but be mushrik in uluhiyyah. it’s impossible as rububiyyah & uluhiyyah are inclusive of each other

Anyone who believes in another god besides Allah is guilty of shirk Rububiyyah as they’ve ascribed partners to Allah in His Lordship.

Why does a christian worship Jesus ? They worship him because they believe he’s their Lord so how can they have tawheed in Allah’s Lordship when they’ve already ascribed Jesus as a partner in His Lordship ?

As you can see worship is directly tied to Lordship, if anyone worships other than Allah then this means they’re guilty of shirk in Lordship, their deviation in Allah’s Lordship is what led them to worship others besides Allah.

If anyone is guilty of twisting anything then it’s the likes of Miaw & his followers who affirm tawheed Rububiyyah to people who clearly commit shirk in Rububiyyah.

How can the prayer of an atheist be accepted when they don’t acknowledge Allah ?

It’s ONLY Muslims who believe in the Oneness of Allah, all others commit shirk. This is what separates us from them.

The reason why salafis today are so against rebellion against rulers is because the situation has changed previously they were never the ones in control. When the actions of their former ulama etc came to affect them now they had to act to & separate themselves from groups like isis. What’s funny is that they still consider what the early najdis did to be legitimate it’s a cognitive dissonance

 

[Taij4an]

Worship is only a result of believing in Rububiyyah

thats not true
shaytaan did kufr but he didnt believe in a Rabb other than Allah
All he did was worship himself but he didnt ascribe himself as a lord
doing shirk uloohiyah doesnt neccesitate you do shirk ruboobiyah

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

thats not true
shaytaan did kufr but he didnt believe in a Rabb other than Allah
All he did was worship himself but he didnt ascribe himself as a lord
doing shirk uloohiyah doesnt neccesitate you do shirk ruboobiyah

How did Iblis worship himself ?

I’m referring to bani adam sxb where worship is directly related to Lordship. There’s never been a religion or a group of people who worshipped gods without ascribing lordship to the god they worship.

You’re making my point without knowing it ie the importance of Rububiyyah. How is it possible that iblis is guilty of kufr in Rububiyyah while christians, pagans, jews aren’t ?

Pagan arabs, jews iyo christians all affirmed offspring to Allah; the pagan arabs claimed uzza,manat, & allat were daughters of Allah, jews claimed Uzair was the son of Allah & Christians claimed Jesus was the son of Allah.
They all took them as lords besides Allah, so how can they not be guilty of shirk Rububiyyah?

 

[Taij4an]

How did Iblis worship himself ?

He believed he was above Allahs command and therefore was too arrogant to worship Allah, therefore he worshiped his own ego.

 

[Taij4an]

There’s never been a religion or a group of people who worshipped gods without ascribing lordship to the god they worship.

People worship saints and graves to get closer to Allah but they dont believed they are rabbs