Somalis were Sufi and Shafi’i for over 700 years, how did Wahhabism/Salafism wipe it out in 2 generations?

[Taij4an]

iblis is guilty of kufr in Rububiyyah

he isnt

 

[Removed]

Sufis will never be allowed a foothold in Somalia again.

They had there fun taking advantage of the Somali people im happy there games have been found out.

 

[GemState]

Most Muslims nowadays are Salafi

 

[Badboy4life]

Most Muslims nowadays are Salafi

The knowledgeable ones at least, and the less knowledgeable ones still learn from salafi shuyuukh even if they don't know what salafism is.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

I did say this, check post #66. But although he is a scholar of Islam, he was controversial and fringe. He is nothing like MIAW at all, but his teachings today have been used to spread extremism and there is no way around that.

Somalia needs to follow Egypt’s lead and ban all Salafis.

“The Egyptian Ministry of Religious Endowments have launched a campaign to remove the books of scholars that belong to the Salafi movement from all mosques in Egypt.

Names of scholars whose books are to be removed or confiscated:-

– Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab
– Imam Ibn Taymiyyah
– Sheikh Ibn Baz
– Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen
– Sheikh Abu Ishaq al-Huweini
– Sheikh Mohamed Hussein Yacoub
– Sheikh Mohammed Hassan

They have already confiscated 7000 books and CDs from mosque libraries in Cairo, Alexandria and Giza. The authors of these materials include:

– Sheikh Wagdi al-Ghoneim
– Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi
– Sheikh Muhammad al-Maqsood
– Yasser al-Burhami
– Sheikh Abu Ishaq al-Huweini
– Sheikh Mohamed Hussein Yacoub
– Sheikh Mohammed Hassan

The ministry’s department is currently launching an inspection campaign on mosques and libraries in all provinces, to make sure they are free of any books and media calling for “militancy and extremism”.”

Egypt bans Salafi books from mosques

The Egyptian Ministry of Religious Endowments have launched a campaign to remove the books of scholars that belong to the Salafi movement from all mosques in Egypt

muslimvillage.com

Ibn taymiyyah is critiqued mostly for being against asharism & going against majority views in the hanbali madhab. Salafis utilise ibn taymiyyah against the asharis when it relates the use of kalam, understanding of Allah’s sifaat etc.

As for using him to support modern day extremism like daesh etc then he’s free from that. Takfiris, khawarij that we see today utilise najdi dawah as this is what their theology is based on.

Furthermore Egypt is bad example as it’s governed by a secular dictatorship that’ll do just about anything to maintain it’s power. It’s common knowledge that the intent behind such measures is to go after anyone that they deem is a threat to their power be it ashari, salafis etc. In fact they regularly promote madkhalis as these salafis are pro government.


Any average citizen could be detained and imprisoned using such ambiguous laws as long they believe them to be a threat to their power.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

He believed he was above Allahs command and therefore was too arrogant to worship Allah, therefore he worshiped his own ego.

How did he worship his ego though ? there’s a connection between what you term as worship & kufr in Rububiyyah

People worship saints and graves to get closer to Allah but they dont believed they are rabbs

How do they do that ? what is it that makes their action at the graves worship ?

Could you give me an example of a religion where people do exactly just that ? worshipping without believing that those they worship lack rububiyyah?

 

[Taij4an]

How did he worship his ego though ? there’s a connection between what you term as worship & kufr in Rububiyyah

By not worshipping Allah and worshipping himself

 

[Taij4an]

what is it that makes their action at the graves worship ?

They believe that these saints will get them closer to Allah and that the saints and close to Allah so they worship the saints to get closer to Allah

 

[Taij4an]

@AdoonkaAlle
Im gonna ask my ustaadh tommorow Inshaallah on this issue

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

he isnt

Sxb did you read what you wrote ?

thats not true
shaytaan did kufr but he didnt believe in a Rabb other than Allah
All he did was worship himself but he didnt ascribe himself as a lord
doing shirk uloohiyah doesnt neccesitate you do shirk ruboobiyah

I asked how did iblis worship himself & this was your reply ?

He believed he was above Allahs command and therefore was too arrogant to worship Allah, therefore he worshiped his own ego.

How is what you described not kufr in Allah’s Rububiyyah?

 

[citrus_samurai]

They believe that these saints will get them closer to Allah and that the saints and close to Allah so they worship the saints to get closer to Allah

Intercession is halal. They don’t worship the saints as only Allah is to be worshipped

 

[World]

Ibn taymiyyah is critiqued mostly for being against asharism & going against majority views in the hanbali madhab. Salafis utilise ibn taymiyyah against the asharis when it relates the use of kalam, understanding of Allah’s sifaat etc.

As for using him to support modern day extremism like daesh etc then he’s free from that. Takfiris, khawarij that we see today utilise najdi dawah as this is what their theology is based on.

Furthermore Egypt is bad example as it’s governed by a secular dictatorship that’ll do just about anything to maintain it’s power. It’s common knowledge that the intent behind such measures is to go after anyone that they deem is a threat to their power be it ashari, salafis etc. In fact they regularly promote madkhalis as these salafis are pro government.


Any average citizen could be detained and imprisoned using such ambiguous laws as long they believe them to be a threat to their power.

To be honest, I trust the scholars of his time who all wanted him arrested and imprisoned and said what he was spreading was innovation. Ibn Taymiyyah was the most influential person on MIAW.

Asking the prophet (saw) for intercede to Allah for us at his grave(tawwasul) is a great deed in Islam according to all scholars, and ibn taymiyyah was the first scholar to forbid it, and MIAW used this as justification to kill muslims and declare takfir on them.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

They believe that these saints will get them closer to Allah and that the saints and close to Allah so they worship the saints to get closer to Allah

@AdoonkaAlle
Im gonna ask my ustaadh tommorow Inshaallah on this issue

Dhiib male sxb, ask him what’s the reason why they believe that those people will get them closer to Allah ?

Asking him more specifically whether asking intercession from the Prophet SAW at his grave is shirk or not ?

 

[Maxaa kaa galay]

I’m bewildered how our nation of 25 million from NFD to Djibouti went from Sufi/Shafi’i to Salafi/Wahhabi between 1990 to 2010, when we have been Sufi/Shafi’i for at least 700 years(Ibn Battuta journey from Zeila to Mogadishu)?

How is this even possible? What happened to Sufi/Shafi’i Sheikhs that existed before 1990? How did they get replaced? How much money did Saudi Arabia pump into spreading their ideology? An ideological change this large in such a short time span across a whole nation is almost unheard of. Now our country will have problems for next 50 years due to this violent ideology.

Somalia or Somalis were never fully Sufi sxb, we have always had the same number as we do now. I don’t know if you know this but Somalia along with Eritrea, Djibouti and Ethiopia still follow the Shafi’i ”madhab” which is one of the tour schools of religious law and we still do.

Salafi/Wahhabi is a movement that seeks to and wants muslims to follow the teachings of islam as it were back in the day, and it is not a school of religious law.

 

[Indeed]

I heard extreme sufis worship graves, is that true?

 

[Taij4an]

Dhiib male sxb, ask him what’s the reason why they believe that those people will get close to Allah ?

Asking him more specifically whether asking intercession from the Prophet SAW at his grave is shirk or not ?

Is asking the prophet salllalhu alayhi wasalam shirk because they believe he is a rabb?

 

[Taij4an]

How is what you described not kufr in Allah’s Rububiyyah?

What is the definition of Allahs rubabiyyah

 

[Taij4an]

Intercession is halal. They don’t worship the saints as only Allah is to be worshipped

no it isnt halal no sahaaba or salaf ever did it

 

[Badboy4life]

Question to the ashcaris here, who is your favourite contemporary scholar?

 

[Taij4an]

I asked how did iblis worship himself & this was your reply ?

yes