Taliban ban all women from university

[Angelina]

traditionally this is how it works, but there is no quranic requirement that child care can't be shared among wives. the practice needs to adapt to the times...

Nope, it never did traditionally, not in Somali culture or Arab culture.

in only works in your own teenage fantasies.

The Sharia fiqh of women having their own accommodation goes back a thousand yrs, but we have little Farax with a whole lot of fantasies saying otherwise.

 

[DubatDiaries]

Loooooooooool. You don't have a clue.

Let the African troops leave. Somalia will be take over in less than 30 days. All Somalis need to be told is "ma gaal ba tahay?" and they'll fall in line. No Somali will fight Al Shabab one protest without African troops infront of them.

Not necessarily. Its just that alshabaab is the most politically organized group in the country. The rest of them ( like Afghanistan) have gotten too comfortable living off of corrupted tax money and having their petty deals with foreign companies. They are being protected by Americans and AMISOM while having homes in Kenya. There is barely a coherent political movement in the country.

 

[Angelina]

I said I support them winning against the US. As for this, I have no idea what's going on there. There's nothing in Islam that says women can't go to university. But are they actually against women going to university or is there some temporary reason? I saw someone say it was because they didn't have the funds to pay the teachers. The Taliban are Deobandis, I am not. But I support Muslims fighting US invasion, that is what I supported. But I don't follow the same understanding of Islam as they do and I don't know much about Deobandis.

There is nothing in the Sharia that suggests that women can’t be educated, but unfortunately we have a history of women’s rights being limited whilst upholding the rights of man and even making takfir on anyone that tries to restrict any form of male rights such as polygamy or age gaps and age of marriage laws.

Why is it that takfir is only leveled at people that try to make the halal haram for men, but never at men who try to make the halal haram for women? This has been the norm for centuries now.

It’s deeply hypocritical and when you deep it, Muslim women in practice don’t have any rights that are protected.

 

[Omar del Sur]

There is nothing in the Sharia that suggests that women can’t be educated, but unfortunately we have a history of women’s rights being limited whilst upholding the rights of man and even making takfir on anyone that tries to restrict any form of male rights such as polygamy or age gaps and age of marriage laws.

Why is it that takfir is only leveled at people that try to make the halal haram for men, but never at men who try to make the halal haram for women? This has been the norm for centuries now.

It’s deeply hypocritical.

Well... the Quran explicitly gives men the right to up to four wives. I don't have a problem with women getting education but to my understanding, I think you can make takfir against someone who goes against what the Quran says. Like if someone says jinn don't exist or witchcraft doesn't exist. So I guess that's where takfir against anti-polygamy people would come from- because it's specifically mentioned in the Quran.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Men who claim to be Muslim are among the most misogynist on earth, just as bad as the cultures they had prior to Islam. They make Western misogynist look very progressive by comparison, let's keep it real.

 

[Prince of HS]

Afghanis are not fighting for their rights so honestly who cares. It's clear they align with the Taliban. Why did the previous government collapse so easily in just a few months in that huge country? The capital captured like taking candy from a baby. Did the Taliban even need to fire a shot to capture Kabul? All I recall was that they walked in from the outskirts of the city in their dacas, some without even an AK. How did their armed forces surrender to the Taliban despite all their training and weaponry and being more sophisticated than them? It's because they agree with the Taliban which is why everyone got amnesty. The Taliban knew people were just trying to feed themselves and were not really "traitors". The Pashtuns I know here are pro Taliban even though they lead gaal lifestyles so what does that tell you? Even the women at university agree with the Taliban except for a few dozen who will protest in their minds.

Expect this in Somalia soon. Women were showing their hair and wearing skirts pre 1991. Now, every third woman wears a niqab and rocks are thrown at men for wearing basketball shorts in Hargeisa of all places, forgot about Al Shabab controlled areas.

This is a virus. You cannot beat it. Its not the terrorists that are the main problem but the populace. They want the Taliban. They want Al Shabab. Let them have it but contain the virus within their borders. Don't trust anyone coming from these countries. Shoot anyone on sight who leaves their borders. It's best to let these countries to self destruct.

Take out the successor to AMISOM and Al Shabab will take over the whole south and sleeper cells in Puntland and Somaliland will activate and the populace will welcome Al Shabab in Bosaso and Hargeisa. The biggest support for Al Shabab in all Somali lands is in Burco in fact.

i highly doubt the support for AS is there in somalia for them to take over the south. it just doesn't make sense. i have family in AS controlled villages ( xaradhere for example) and nearly every civilian there despise AS but they cannot show it due to AS ruling the place with an iron fist. The average civilian there can not wait for pro government forces to free them from their misery. Apart from some clans, most somalis are not like pashtuns who mainly stand for the taliban. Somalia is not in the same situation as Afghanistan

 

[Angelina]

Well... the Quran explicitly gives men the right to up to four wives.

Only if they can afford to do so with a warning that it will be hard to give them justice. Then you have the view of two madhabs that believe that monogamy is better. That isnt to suggest that Allah doesn't give men that right, but it is optional as is women's education.

I don't have a problem with women getting education but to my understanding, I think you can make takfir against someone who goes against what the Quran says.

There have been cases of scholars saying that laws surrounding
age of marriage is following the Kufr because it goes against rights of people to marry at any age. Where does it give men the explicit right to marry a 14?

What about people's right to education or being able to provide for themselves?


Do you not see? Stopping a man from marrying someone significantly younger= case of takfir.


Stopping women's education and work= no case.

I want to understand the logic, I really do as i've been grappling with this for a long time.

Like if someone says jinn don't exist or witchcraft doesn't exist. So I guess that's where takfir against anti-polygamy people would come from- because it's specifically

Lets be real, any form of limiting of polygamy is met with swift threats of takfir despite it being completely optional and at times not even allowed for certain men (poor, 0 time), but I don't ever recall women's rights be upheld this way?

mentioned in the Quran.

 

[DubatDiaries]

Not necessarily. Its just that alshabaab is the most politically organized group in the country. The rest of them ( like Afghanistan) have gotten too comfortable living off of corrupted tax money and having their petty deals with foreign companies. They are being protected by Americans and AMISOM while having homes in Kenya. There is barely a coherent political movement in the country.

There is also an ethnic element to the taliban. They are largely a pashtun group and have the loyalty of Pashtuns, sometimes even those who aren't very religious. Religious Tajiks and Persians (who are Sunni) rarely joined the Taliban. Alshabab on the other hand have rejected the clan system in Somalia. This is not helping their numbers. The most religious somalis still have clan loyalties. It's our achilles heel.

 

[Omar del Sur]

There have been cases of scholars saying that age of marriage is following the Kufr because it goes against rights of people to marry at any age. Where does it give men the explicit right to marry a 14?

What about people's right to education or being able to provide for themselves?


Do you not see? Stopping a man from marrying someone significantly younger= case of takfir.


Stopping women's education and work= no case.

I could imagine that claiming polygamy is haraam... I can imagine that could be kufr because it goes against the explicit text of the Quran.

But someone saying a man can't marry a girl under 18 or saying women can't go to school, I don't think it's kufr, though. I can't just say something is kufr if I want it to be kufr. I've read that going against the explicit text of the Quran is kufr but I'm not aware of the other two cases being kufr.

 

[Angelina]

I could imagine that claiming polygamy is haraam... I can imagine that could be kufr because it goes against the explicit text of the Quran.

But someone saying a man can't marry a girl under 18 or saying women can't go to school, I don't think it's kufr, though. I can't just say something is kufr if I want it to be kufr. I've read that going against the explicit text of the Quran is kufr but I'm not aware of the other two cases being kufr.

Alright then, your explanation makes sense.


May Allah bless you with Jannah.

 

[Prince of HS]

There is also an ethnic element to the taliban. They are largely a pashtun group and have the loyalty of Pashtuns, sometimes even those who aren't very religious. Religious Tajiks and Persians (who are Sunni) rarely joined the Taliban. Alshabab on the other hand have rejected the clan system in Somalia. This is not helping their numbers. The most religious somalis still have clan loyalties. It's our achilles heel.

This very reason is why clans that people refer to as 'langaab' make a good proportion of AS or clans that use AS against neighbour clans that they see as a threat

 

[HoodHawiye]

Nope, it never did traditionally, not in Somali culture or Arab culture.

in only works in your own teenage fantasies.

The Sharia fiqh of women having their own accommodation goes back a thousand yrs, but we have little Farax with a whole lot of fantasies saying otherwise.

I meant in my previous post that you are correct about how it works traditionally. I am saying the practice could modernize so they can share a roof and thereby gain efficiencies in house work. If there is a hadeeth countering this i am open to hearing it. i am aware the wives of the prophet had their own abodes but did the prophet ever say it was impermissible to just allot each wife a different room in the same house?

 

[Maintainnnin]

Just because a nation is Muslim doesn't mean that elements of their jahil misogynistic culture doesn't penetrate through their laws and society. Afghanistan banning women from Universities and the Saudis not allowing their women to drive until recently are just a few examples of this.
Sucks for them at the end of the day this move has the potential to do serious economic damage to their country if they stick to it long term.

 

[senor chang]

They are fucked

 

[ZBR]

From my understanding, Afghan’s proclivity to be extremely intrusive into the movements and lives of women is a inheritance from Pre Islamic Persian social dynamics like Purdha.
Also Afghans are at the edge of the world and never really had a long standing history of women’s education

I think it’s best not to look at Afghanistan as beacon of Islam , but also a secluded despotic Eastern state that will continuously intruded into the inner most parts of their citizens lives a la North Korea Iran China etc

Gulfs Arabs or Somalis are perceived as equally despotic but they’re are restrictive with modesty rules and rightfully so but quite egalitarian in the private affairs of people. Women have always had the ability to run their business or go to school, but schools weren’t co-Ed until recently. In Hadith, you can observed even though women aren’t unjustly burdened with the responsibility of decision making, their intellectual capacity wasn’t and opinions was listened to

Recently Women in the Gulf have even past their make counterparts in enrollment in STEM not just their male counterparts but also women in the west. Many do opt out ofIf you look at the engineers in the Saudi and Emirates space programs, women are heavily represented. Many women also do opt out the workforce to become housewives after obtaining degrees

Even Yemen the Arab country with the most traditional modesty culture, women’s education has a long standing history but schooling is segregated by gender in upper education


https://gulfbusiness.com/womens-voi...e-greater-women-participation-in-engineering/

 

[ZBR]

This pdf highlights the the excessive rules and cultural laws of Ancient Persians and their predecessors

https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/id/6e69610b-3f85-4af0-aa03-75797c06f6a6/650050.pdf

 

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

He will probably question why you need an education.

why do you need an education?

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

From my understanding, Afghan’s proclivity to be extremely intrusive into the movements and lives of women is a inheritance from Pre Islamic Persian social dynamics like Purdha.
Also Afghans are at the edge of the world and never really had a long standing history of women’s education

I think it’s best not to look at Afghanistan as beacon of Islam , but also a secluded despotic Eastern state that will continuously intruded into the inner most parts of their citizens lives a la North Korea Iran China etc

Gulfs Arabs or Somalis are perceived as equally despotic but they’re are restrictive with modesty rules and rightfully so but quite egalitarian in the private affairs of people. Women have always had the ability to run their business or go to school, but schools weren’t co-Ed until recently. In Hadith, you can observed even though women aren’t unjustly burdened with the responsibility of decision making, their intellectual capacity wasn’t and opinions was listened to

Recently Women in the Gulf have even past their make counterparts in enrollment in STEM not just their male counterparts but also women in the west. Many do opt out ofIf you look at the engineers in the Saudi and Emirates space programs, women are heavily represented. Many women also do opt out the workforce to become housewives after obtaining degrees

Even Yemen the Arab country with the most traditional modesty culture, women’s education has a long standing history but schooling is segregated by gender in upper education


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Dugsi in Somalia was historically co-ed. There was no separation between boys and girls at dugsi in the past. Separating boys and girls when they are growing up plays a part in creating Saudi and Pashtun style misogyny. Men simply don't think of women as fellow humans.

Imagine having never interacted with teenage girls growing up, how fucked up would you be when interacting with women later in life?

 

[NinWero]

It's not deen but rather culture. Afghans, Arabs, and Middle Easterns in general have inherent hatred for women and girls.

 

[HoodHawiye]

It's not deen but rather culture. Afghans, Arabs, and Middle Easterns in general have inherent hatred for women and girls.

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