Taliban ban all women from university

[Angelina]

I meant in my previous post that you are correct about how it works traditionally. I am saying the practice could modernize so they can share a roof and thereby gain efficiencies in house work. If there is a hadeeth countering this i am open to hearing it. i am aware the wives of the prophet had their own abodes but did the prophet ever say it was impermissible to just allot each wife a different room in the same house?

The whole reason why women don’t is for women’s privacy and dignity so they don’t have to deal with jealousy and other unfair treatment.

The reason why I accuse you of peddling male fantasy is because what you’re suggesting goes against reality and what actually benefits women and you seem to forget the jealousy component. Women do not like sharing their husbands and If they are in that position, they’ll never want to live with the other women or have to deal with her or her kids. It is human nature 101.

About the impermissible part. One of the rights your wives have over you is that you provide them with their OWN lodging. Not doing do Is going against their right and no woman is going to accept you bringing another woman into her space. If you cannot afford separate houses with separate bills and life, polygamy is haram for you.

With regards to housework as a man you should help her and the woman has her own family that can help her with childcare. Any subsequent children and wives you have has nothing to do with your wives and she isn’t obliged to even talk to them let alone help. That is the Sharia.

 

[your_average_farax]

Women, seek knowledge. Even as far as your kitchen.

They can seek it in my bed

 

[Aurelian]

Even the women only institutions? I'd like to hear their reasoning.

Their reasoning would be like :women don’t need to go to study

 

[Angelina]

Just because a nation is Muslim doesn't mean that elements of their jahil misogynistic culture doesn't penetrate through their laws and society.

It’s easier said that done when these regimes can easily use the fatwa of an obscure scholar from the classical Islamic period. They can easily claim that what they’re doing isn’t new to Islamic traditions and they’d be right.

Afghanistan banning women from Universities and the Saudis not allowing their women to drive until recently are just a few examples of this.

The driving ban had the backing of a great many well reputed scholars who would issue detailed fatwas. At what point can we as Muslims still use the ignorance card?

Sucks for them at the end of the day this move has the potential to do serious economic damage to their country if they stick to it long term.

I highly doubt they will. They’ll end up crumbling soon or even later, but it’s a waiting game.

My overall point is, how can women ever ensure any of their rights when a lot of the misogynistic rulings are with the full backing of the most knowledgeable?

What concrete rights do Muslim women have when many of their rights is determined by the current understanding of whoever’s fatwa is the most well regarded at that particular point in time? Clearly women’s rights isn’t timeless like men’s and that is the crux of the issue that the Muslim community shy away from.

 

[Hamzza]

There have been cases of scholars saying that laws surrounding
age of marriage is following the Kufr because it goes against rights of people to marry at any age. Where does it give men the explicit right to marry a 14?

What about people's right to education or being able to provide for themselves?


Do you not see? Stopping a man from marrying someone significantly younger= case of takfir.


Stopping women's education and work= no case.

I want to understand the logic, I really do as i've been grappling with this for a long time.

Outlawing men from marrying under 18 girls indeed goes against the Quran and Sunnah where men were allowed to marry minor girls, and the prophet ﷺ married Aisha ra when she was I think 7 years old.

Taliban's argument for banning girls from university education is, they say social protection of women is more important than secular education and I think as the above sxb said they are khilaafing westerners because they allow their women to be freer. I don't support Taliban's crusade against women btw.

 

[Angelina]

Outlawing men from marrying under 18 girls indeed goes against the Quran and Sunnah where men were allowed to marry minor girls, and the prophet ﷺ married Aisha ra when she was I think 7 years old.

It goes against Sunnah yes. Not Quran as far as I’m aware. The same can even said for women going to the masjid. The Sunnah makes it clear that no man can stop a woman, but it is banned in a lot of South Asian Muslim communities. I’ve never heard of calls for takfir that is for sure. To make it worse, men will just build masjid with just male sections to prevent women from the masjid

outlawing women from education or halal avenues to make money is also contrary to Islamic tradition. People always talk about Khadijah, it’s a cliche but there were many female companions and Salaf that had their own means of income and that is recorded.

Btw, how do Scholars deal with the fact that you have extensive scientific literature that looks at how childbirth at very young ages damages women’s bodies?

Taliban's argument for banning girls from university education is, they say social protection of women is more important than secular education and I think as the above sxb said they are khilaafing westerners because they allow their women to be freer. I don't support Taliban's crusade against women btw.

The issue is that apart from let’s say, provision, women’s rights aren’t concrete at all and it is very much based on the whims of the fatwa writers of the day. Using that argument of social protection and ‘fitna’ which is another popular argument, you can strip women of human rights we take we for granted. You can literally ban her from everything.

 

[Hamzza]

It goes against Sunnah yes. Not Quran as far as I’m aware. The same can even said for women going to the masjid. The Sunnah makes it clear that no man can stop a woman, but it is banned in a lot of South Asian Muslim communities. I’ve ever heard of calls for takfir that is for sure.

It goes against Quran Sarah AT Talaq ayah 4

“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]”

The Ciddah for those who do not menstruate is three months and we know the Ciddah is counted after divorce.

It is an anti rape bill. It has already been passed in Puntland and Somaliland.

The sheikhs are against this bill because:

1. It prohibits marital rape by not differentiating it from other kinds of rape
2. It prohibits child marriage by citing the constitution which states that "In this Article a "child" is defined as any person under 18 years of age".

That is what all this is about. They want to be able to rape their wives and to marry underdeveloped girls.

Look at this comment from a person who claims to be Muslim, he concluded Sheikhs want to rape underdeveloped girls. I think we should divert most of our energy to people like this who are part of our society.

As I have specified I'm completely against this ban which hinders women's lives, for example, Taliban don't allow women to be treated by men doctors and they ban women from education and becoming doctors.

If they are really for the social protection of women They should've built women's only universities.

 

[Hamzza]

I need to do some research and look at the Tafsir ect so this isn’t me debating with you ect as I’m ignorant on the matter and I’m simply a layman. But all women stop having their periods after 50 and they can easily get divorced or remarry, so how is it concluded that it must be someone who is underage? Menopausal women are much more likely to be married and divorced so why would female children be the ones that this Ayah is referring to?

Ok, do your research. From the Ayah we can see both those girls who didn't reach puberty and the older women who no longer get periods will count three months after divorce or death of their husbands.

My problem with him is his statement "these Sheikhs want to be able to rape underdeveloped girls." The ulema are the heirs of the prophets and we shouldn't allow cheap slander of our Ulema from misguided people like this guy.

 

[Laagite]

Afghanis are not fighting for their rights so honestly who cares. It's clear they align with the Taliban. Why did the previous government collapse so easily in just a few months in that huge country? The capital captured like taking candy from a baby. Did the Taliban even need to fire a shot to capture Kabul? All I recall was that they walked in from the outskirts of the city in their dacas, some without even an AK. How did their armed forces surrender to the Taliban despite all their training and weaponry and being more sophisticated than them? It's because they agree with the Taliban which is why everyone got amnesty. The Taliban knew people were just trying to feed themselves and were not really "traitors". The Pashtuns I know here are pro Taliban even though they lead gaal lifestyles so what does that tell you? Even the women at university agree with the Taliban except for a few dozen who will protest in their minds.

Expect this in Somalia soon. Women were showing their hair and wearing skirts pre 1991. Now, every third woman wears a niqab and rocks are thrown at men for wearing basketball shorts in Hargeisa of all places, forgot about Al Shabab controlled areas.

This is a virus. You cannot beat it. Its not the terrorists that are the main problem but the populace. They want the Taliban. They want Al Shabab. Let them have it but contain the virus within their borders. Don't trust anyone coming from these countries. Shoot anyone on sight who leaves their borders. It's best to let these countries to self destruct.

Take out the successor to AMISOM and Al Shabab will take over the whole south and sleeper cells in Puntland and Somaliland will activate and the populace will welcome Al Shabab in Bosaso and Hargeisa. The biggest support for Al Shabab in all Somali lands is in Burco in fact.

This will never happen in Somalia, as Alshabaab isn't a Somali led organization but a global one with the intent of erasing the Somali identity and everything Somali meanwhile the Taliban align themselves with Pashtun nationalism which made it easier for them to capture Kabul.



the only ones who are against the Taliban are the langaab ethnicities Tajik, Hazara and the Uzbeks.

 

[Sheikh Google]

 

[Barni]

Imagine oppressing 50% of your fellow believers all to make a stand. It wouldn’t be far off to believe that they don’t see 50% of their population as actual people. Just props they use to make a stand at the expense of their lives. For too long a lot of Muslim men would argue that the West objectifies women. But what do you call it then when you strip women lof autonomy and render them as objects, albeit private ones?

To add everyone. Throughout history, oppressed groups have always been banned from getting an education. From the White Americans banning African slaves to the Roman and Greeks banning their foreign slaves from seeking an education. It is a known tactic throughout the centuries used to those that you want to keep under your thumb.

I actually remember seeing a video awhile back of an iranian cleric saying Allah created women as animals, but made them look human to not scare men off. These persians really don't see women as human beings.

 

[Barni]

Outlawing men from marrying under 18 girls indeed goes against the Quran and Sunnah where men were allowed to marry minor girls, and the prophet ﷺ married Aisha ra when she was I think 7 years old.

U need to be put on a watchlist.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

This is gonna blowback, no health care services, no women in the economy. Its going to get worse. This why its Important for us to finish off al-shabaab.

University is the most hyped institution where people mostly qualify with bogus degrees and they pay a fortune to go to.

 

[Hamzza]

U need to be put on a watchlist.

Do you have a problem with the above statement?

 

[Ahmedahmed5000]

Afghanis are not fighting for their rights so honestly who cares. It's clear they align with the Taliban. Why did the previous government collapse so easily in just a few months in that huge country? The capital captured like taking candy from a baby. Did the Taliban even need to fire a shot to capture Kabul? All I recall was that they walked in from the outskirts of the city in their dacas, some without even an AK. How did their armed forces surrender to the Taliban despite all their training and weaponry and being more sophisticated than them? It's because they agree with the Taliban which is why everyone got amnesty. The Taliban knew people were just trying to feed themselves and were not really "traitors". The Pashtuns I know here are pro Taliban even though they lead gaal lifestyles so what does that tell you? Even the women at university agree with the Taliban except for a few dozen who will protest in their minds.

Expect this in Somalia soon. Women were showing their hair and wearing skirts pre 1991. Now, every third woman wears a niqab and rocks are thrown at men for wearing basketball shorts in Hargeisa of all places, forgot about Al Shabab controlled areas.

This is a virus. You cannot beat it. Its not the terrorists that are the main problem but the populace. They want the Taliban. They want Al Shabab. Let them have it but contain the virus within their borders. Don't trust anyone coming from these countries. Shoot anyone on sight who leaves their borders. It's best to let these countries to self destruct.

Take out the successor to AMISOM and Al Shabab will take over the whole south and sleeper cells in Puntland and Somaliland will activate and the populace will welcome Al Shabab in Bosaso and Hargeisa. The biggest support for Al Shabab in all Somali lands is in Burco in fact.

Taliban and shabaab are different, shabaab are on the back foot where even civilians are fighting them now.

 

[Ahmedahmed5000]

University is the most hyped institution where people mostly qualify with bogus degrees and they pay a fortune to go to.

Dumb answer, more than half of afghans can't read. They suffer from food shortage, education would be a net-positive.

 

[Abdisamad]

All my sympathy to Afghan girls and women.

 

[Sol]

So what is their reasoning for not giving girls/women an education I'm genuinely curious?

 

[Barni]

Do you have a problem with the above statement?

Why in dis day and age do u think it is okay to marry kids. Don’t compare the circumstances of the prophet’s time to today’s age.

 

[Qeelbax]

The driving ban had the backing of a great many well reputed scholars who would issue detailed fatwas. At what point can we as Muslims still use the ignorance card?

"When they are driving, the car moves and vibrates and they might feel sexual pleasure from that, so it is haram for women to drive"

I deadass remember hearing this a few years ago. Like not only is that such sick, false and absurd thinking but what difference does it make if you're in the driver or passenger seat?