Taliban ban all women from university

[Qeelbax]

U need to be put on a watchlist.

Other scholars: She was 19

Men who want to marry little girls: She was 9

Some dude on SomaliSpot: She was actually 7



I'm actually sick. Like Imagine marrying a 7 y.o boy

 

[Kane]

No women should be allowed to study beyond high school, unless it’s in the fields of (STEM).

since that’s probably non existent in them back woods, I gotta agree with the wisdom.

And for the female university graduates whom I offended, this one’s for you.

 

[animelover]

Outlawing men from marrying under 18 girls indeed goes against the Quran and Sunnah where men were allowed to marry minor girls, and the prophet ﷺ married Aisha ra when she was I think 7 years old.

Taliban's argument for banning girls from university education is, they say social protection of women is more important than secular education and I think as the above sxb said they are khilaafing westerners because they allow their women to be freer. I don't support Taliban's crusade against women btw.

You're disgusting! you need to be removed from society

 

[Nikka]

You're disgusting! you need to be removed from society

Age of Consent should be 15

 

[Angelina]

No women should be allowed to study beyond high school, unless it’s in the fields of (STEM).

since that’s probably non existent in them back woods, I gotta agree with the wisdom.

And for the female university graduates whom I offended, this one’s for you.

Surely it should be opposite? Men are supposedly providers and STEM is what provides the most money.

A man studying Philosophy defeats the purpose of what he is meant to bring to the table, which is solely employment.

Men who aren’t very academic or aren’t into stem should be be forced to apprenticeship from the age of 14. They should be banned from university and should be trained to be in the work force.

Your silly rationale for stripping women of the choice to educate themselves on an array of topics can be equally applied to men. In fact, it makes more sense.

 

[Burqad]

This comes from Pashtunwali, their version of Xeer, and not from Islam.

 

[Burqad]

nobody could come close to the way Pushtun feel about females ; there's a Pushtun saying, "Women belong in the home or in the grave," and another, a real doozy: "Even your own mother and sister are disgusting." Very interesting people lol.

 

[Hamzza]

Why in dis day and age do u think it is okay to marry kids. Don’t compare the circumstances of the prophet’s time to today’s age.

When did I say I think it's ok to marry kids? Who are we to outlaw what Allah the almighty made legal

 

[Hamzza]

You're disgusting! you need to be removed from society

You are Jaahi!! No wonder you are obsessed with cartoons. Grow up.

 

[Al Muslim]

Funny how when talking about a country that is being sanctioned and has it's own money withheld by westerners trying to cause a famine, the biggest topic is "muh womens education". This is a non-issue.

 

[hinters]

Muslim men cannot continue blaming the West for creating the narrative that they’re misogynistic.

Don’t be telling these gaals that Islam gives women ‘rights’ and then proceed to not give women their ‘rights’.

I say this, because in most apart from a few Muslim countries, women are denied many basic things we take for granted in the West. It isn’t just education and it isn’t just Afghanistan, but this is the worst of it and it’s a nightmare.

It is what it is.

Acting like the fucking Taliban is the face of Muslim men f*ck outta here

 

[hinters]

Age of Consent should be 15

It should be at LEAST seventeen. A society where a 15 year old child can hook up with a 35 year old man is a degenerate one.

 

[anonimo]

When did I say I think it's ok to marry kids? Who are we to outlaw what Allah the almighty made legal.

There is a lot of ignorant folk that cannot differentiate between the message and the messenger so don't let them get to you. They are confused because they have been subconsciously socially conditioned to view things from a Western perspective, and also due to an ignorance about the Islamic facts regarding this subject. This results in the cognitive dissonance that is on display here regarding their inability to digest the scholarly historical consensus regarding Aisha RAH marriage to the Prophet SAWS and the supporting Quranic evidence for early marriage. They don't even realise that some of their statements are unknowingly borderline Kufr because to reject an Ayat from the Qur'an equals rejection of the supremacy of Allah's words.

I reckon some of these folk will experience an existential crisis as they might be unable to come to terms with the contradiction that exists between their own reasoning and Islam.

 

[Hamzza]

There is a lot of ignorant folk that cannot differentiate between the message and the messenger so don't let them get to you. They are confused because they have been subconsciously socially conditioned to view things from a Western perspective, and also due to an ignorance about the Islamic facts regarding this subject. This results in the cognitive dissonance that is on display here regarding their inability to digest the scholarly historical consensus regarding Aisha RAH marriage to the Prophet SAWS and the supporting Quranic evidence for early marriage. They don't even realise that some of their statements are unknowingly borderline Kufr because to reject an Ayat from the Qur'an equals rejection of the supremacy of Allah's words.

I reckon some of these folk will experience an existential crisis as they might be unable to come to terms with the contradiction that exists between their own reasoning and Islam.

It's frightening walaahi sxb, are we supposed to hide our beliefs because westerners will find it backwards and we will be embarrassed? The same Westerners they took their moral standards, openly promote their degenerate dhaqan all over the world and try to force it on other people including Muslims and yet here in a supposedly Somali forum we can't discuss a legal Islamic Sharia issue because people will laugh at our primitiveness smh.

 

[anonimo]

It's frightening walaahi sxb, are we supposed to hide our beliefs because westerners will find it backwards and we will be embarrassed? The Westerners they took their moral standards, openly promote their degenerate dhaqan all over the world and try to force it on other people including Muslims and yet here in a supposedly Somali forum we can't discuss a legal Islamic Sharia issue because people will laugh at our primitiveness smh.

This has nothing to do with Westerners bro, directly speaking. Some of the folk in these forum are caught between two worlds regarding their understanding of what is right and wrong morally speaking; the societal morals of the society they were raised in which has become relatively dominant globally due to historical Western imperial dominance (physical and ideological), and their own sociocultural/ religious background.

I don't think it has much to do with saving face but their own rejection of social practices they view as being 'paedophilic', 'misogynistic'. This would not be an issue if these practices were alien to their own socioreligious background but they encounter an ideological conundrum when the faith/ancestral society that they subscribe to is in contradiction with their bespoke value system hence why they lash out against you even though what you have spoken us the truth in this thread. Easier to shoot the messenger than challenge the message with reasoned debate.

I have noticed a similar trend in other controversial subjects such as concubinage. I was laughing inside at the mental gymnastics some folk were engaging in to rationalise religious concubinage to themselves; they were using words like 'consent', how will a captured woman whose tribe or nation has been defeated/enslaved be asked for consent by her enslaver during a sexual encounter?

By my own admission, I am not the most religious person out there but I ain't completely ignorant of the Deen hence why I accept it as it is. The delusion and confusion displayed by some folk stems from an inability to accept or find an accommodation between one's own moral compass and the Deen hence the attacks on you and others who quote Islamic facts that they find hard to digest. This type of cognitive dissonance can possibly lead to Kufr hence why folk like @Abu Ash’ari adopt an 'apologist' stance regarding some matters.

 

[Awad]

Other scholars: She was 19

Men who want to marry little girls: She was 9

Some dude on SomaliSpot: She was actually 7



I'm actually sick. Like Imagine marrying a 7 y.o boy

Is that actually the majority consensus among scholars? I know Zakir Naik had that argument but haven't heard it from any other major scholar

 

[Nikka]

Is that actually the majority consensus among scholars? I know Zakir Naik had that argument but haven't heard it from any other major scholar

The consensuses is that he married her at 6 and consummated it at 9.

 

[Hamzza]

I don't think it has much to do with saving face but their own rejection of social practices they view as being 'paedophilic', 'misogynistic'. This would not be an issue if these practices were alien to their own socioreligious background but they encounter an ideological conundrum when the faith/ancestral society that they subscribe to is in contradiction with their bespoke value system hence why they lash out against you even though what you have spoken us the truth in this thread. Easier to shoot the messenger than challenge the message with reasoned debate.

The reason why I think it has much to do with saving face is the cope of "Aisha" was 19 when the prophet ﷺ married her" when we have Sahih Hadiths that state otherwise, a lot of Muslims nowadays think its embarrassing and should be hidden, that's why they invented this new ages for Aisha RA. The prophet ﷺ had staunch enemies at his time, they called him everything and accused him of being a liar, a sorcerer and a madman, they said he copies the Quran from human beings... but never did they accuse him of marrying a child Aisha.

Otherwise, I agree with your essays.

 

[Nikka]

The reason why I think it has much to do with saving face is the cope of "Aisha" was 19 when the prophet ﷺ married her" when we have Sahih Hadiths that state otherwise, a lot of Muslims nowadays think its embarrassing and should be hidden, that's why they invented this new ages for Aisha RA. The prophet ﷺ had staunch enemies at his time, they called him everything and accused him of being a liar, a sorcerer and a madman, they said he copies the Quran from human beings... but never did they accuse him of marrying a child Aisha.

Otherwise, I agree with your essays.

In my sociology text book there were examples of such marriages occurring in the United states during the 20th century.

 

[Awad]

That was not considered abnormal until the 20th century

I dont understand this argument. Your indicating Islam is contingent by applying some aspects of the shariah to certain time periods. If marrying a 9 year old girl is halal due to the Sunnah andor a majority consensus among scholars, then it is morally permissable under an Islamic framework.
Really weird how a lot of people on this site suffers from cognitive dissonance. If someone is against pedophilia then the only logically correct way to justify that belief would be to bring a source that states so, otherwise you would have to take it for what it is.