The futuh al habash changed the trajectory of somaliweyn true or false ?

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Historians come in @Khaemwaset @Step a side

Just think about it after that war major migrations occurred tribes who where powerful lost their influence and numbers they had before the war the territory Somalis occupied also changed over the following decades centuries

 

[Khaemwaset]

Historians come in @Khaemwaset @Step a side

Just think about it after that war major migrations occurred tribes who where powerful lost their influence and numbers they had before the war the territory Somalis occupied also changed over the following decades centuries

Yes the Futuh also saw a massive decrease in urbanisation as galla hordes cut off trade routes. Pushing alot of towns in hinterland that relied heavily on trade to collapse and force their population into Semi-pastoralism.

Somalis used to be so far West as well, many clans would be clashing with Amhara directly. But we lost those lands to galla hordes, and the clans thay previously had massive fertile lands either completely assimilated or were left powerless.

 

[Aseer]

Yes the Futuh also saw a massive decrease in urbanisation as galla hordes cut off trade routes. Pushing alot of towns in hinterland that relied heavily on trade to collapse and force their population into Semi-pastoralism.

Somalis used to be so far West as well, many clans would be clashing with Amhara directly. But we lost those lands and the clans thay previously had massive fertile lands either completely assimilated or were left powerless.

The collapse of adal is similar to romes collapse. when the savage barbarian hordes set us back hundreds of years on a civilisational scale we are still in the dark ages caused from this collapse as well

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Yes the Futuh also saw a massive decrease in urbanisation as galla hordes cut off trade routes. Pushing alot of towns in hinterland that relied heavily on trade to collapse and force their population into Semi-pastoralism.

Somalis used to be so far West as well, many clans would be clashing with Amhara directly. But we lost those lands and the clans thay previously had massive fertile lands either completely assimilated or were left powerless.

Yeah I heard Somalis used to border amharas We lost a lot of our population either to assimilation or losing lots of men interesting that Somalis were transitioning to become a merchant agcricultural group

 

[Khaemwaset]

Yeah I heard Somalis used to border amharas We lost a lot of our population either to assimilation or losing lots of men interesting that Somalis were transitioning to become a merchant agcricultural group

Yeah pastoralism became due to those cities and towns collapsing with the population dispersing around the region.
It was economic collapse.

The collapse of adal is similar to romes collapse. when the savage barbarian hordes set us back hundreds of years on a civilisational scale we are still in the dark ages caused from this collapse as well

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Oromo literally set civilisation back like 3 centuries I swear down

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Yeah pastoralism became due to those cities and towns collapsing with the population dispersing around the region.
It was economic collapse.


Oromo literally set civilisation back like 3 centuries I swear down

All those fertile lands we would’ve been at least 70 million by now population wise across Somaliweyn

where cisses involved in the futuh or no ?

 

[Khaemwaset]

All those fertile lands we would’ve been at least 70 million by now population wise across Somaliweyn

where cisses involved in the futuh or no ?

I haven't read the futuh in full yet but judging by how close ciise was to Ethiopia and Zelia we should be. I'm done banging multiple books on egyptian history I'll finish the futuh and see for myself.

 

[Khaemwaset]

 

[Internet Nomad]

Hell yeah much of the urbanisation was reversed because of raiding oromo tribes who raided towns and disrupted trade routes.

Many towns which look like this are now in ruins.

What made them such a unique opponent was the fact unlike the habesha who we got accustomed to having formal warfare with muskets and cannons. Because they had settlements and were regimented. The Oromo tribes were decentralised and fought us with gorilla warfare. The only people who can really adapt to that is pastoralists so everyone became pastoralists overtime.

The only people who survived had to place up massive walls inorder to keep the oromo raiders out. Almost all other towns fell into ruin. The civilisation progress was reversed.

 

[Khaemwaset]

Hell yeah much of the urbanisation was reversed because of raiding oromo tribes who raided towns and disrupted trade routes.

Many towns which look like this are now in ruins.
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What made them such a unique opponent was the fact unlike the habesha who we got accustomed to having formal warfare with muskets and cannons. Because they had settlements and were regimented. The Oromo tribes were decentralised and fought us with gorilla warfare.

The only people who survived had to place up massive walls inorder to keep the oromo raiders out. Almost all other towns fell into ruin. The civilisation progress was reversed.

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The fun thing about this is that Somalis were one of the few Africans that built towns and cities with stone. Unlike others who used "natural materials" which degraded into nothing if abandoned which is why there's few archeological sites across much of the lower half of the continent.

Even If you go deep into Somali galbeed you'll find centuries old ruins of medieval somali towns and cities. Imagine what could be uncovered through archeology.

And you also mentioned the Galla hordes forced many somali cities to start building walls, one of the most important walls was the Wall around Harar built by the nephew and successor of Ahmad gurey, Nur ibn Mujahid. He put up the walls around Harar and this kept the diverse population of the city inside and isolated from their ethnic kin. This melting pot of ethnicities, including Somali, mixed over the centuries to form a new ethnicity called Harari.

It is important to note that Harari didn't exist as an ethnicity during the time of Imam Ahmad. Many ethiopians claim he's harari stupidly. Even though he was born in Hubat to a Somali knight lol.

When the futuh mentions Harari it simply means people from the city, it doesn't describe any ethnicity. However it would most likely be Somali.

 

[Internet Nomad]

The fun thing about this is that Somalis were one of the few Africans that built towns and cities with stone. Unlike others who used "natural materials" which degraded into nothing if abandoned which is why there's few archeological sites across much of the lower half of the continent.

Even If you go deep into Somali galbeed you'll find centuries old ruins of medieval somali towns and cities. Imagine what could be uncovered through archeology.

And you also mentioned the Galla hordes forced many somali cities to start building walls, one of the most important walls was the Wall around Harar built by the nephew and successor of Ahmad gurey, Nur ibn Mujahid. He put up the walls around Harar and this kept the diverse population of the city inside and isolated from their ethnic kin. This melting pot of ethnicities, including Somali, mixed over the centuries to form a new ethnicity called Harari.

It is important to note that Harari didn't exist as an ethnicity during the time of Imam Ahmad. Many ethiopians claim he's harari stupidly. Even though he was born in Hubat to a Somali knight lol.

When the futuh mentions Harari it simply means people from the city, it doesn't describe any ethnicity. However it would most likely be Somali. View attachment 335165View attachment 335166View attachment 335167View attachment 335168View attachment 335169View attachment 335170

All major cities had these walls even mogadishu. Sad they been demolished they would’ve added to the aura and increase the unesco world heritage site numbers in our country.

Yeah somalis had many stone structures which are sparesly littered around the country

Just a fraction of somaliweyn. Even on foot archeological works is going to pick up more things that couldn’t be scanned from orbit.

 

[Khaemwaset]

All major cities had these walls even mogadishu. Sad they been demolished they would’ve added to the aura and increase the unesco world heritage site numbers in our country.

Yeah somalis had many stone structures which are sparesly littered around the country
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Just a fraction of somaliweyn. Even on foot archeological works is going to pick up more things that couldn’t be scanned from orbit.

Somalia could easily reach into the hundreds in UNESCO world heritage sites if we did archeology and registered shit

 

[Idilinaa]

You guys are soo weird. But continue to create exaggerations and wank to some BS plot about Somali expansion and domination, the real basic facts around Somali history and development will remain the same regardless.

All major cities had these walls even mogadishu. Sad they been demolished they would’ve added to the aura and increase the unesco world heritage site numbers in our country.

Yeah somalis had many stone structures which are sparesly littered around the country
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Just a fraction of somaliweyn. Even on foot archeological works is going to pick up more things that couldn’t be scanned from orbit.

Those are religious and funeral structures like mounds etc, not towns and stones settlements or buildings of anything significance . It is also not directly connected to Adal or Medieval period either or trade or production related.

I have actually shared a maps of settlements/structures from the medieval period in the NorthWest these ones reign from hamlets to villages . And there were also interior towns like Awbarkhadle, Sheikh/Fardowsa etc one of them being walled.

The settlements stretch into Ogaden and Hararge as well where there was major city called Hoobad. But this is a map of the ones in Western Somaliland interior.

 

[Internet Nomad]

Those are religious and funeral structures like mounds etc, not towns and stones settlements or buildings of anything significance . It is also not directly connected to Adal or Medieval period either.

I never claimed those were towns but i was talking about how masonry was not a thing that somalis rarely did.

I have actually shared a lot of the settlement Adal period medieval settlement structures in the NorthWest these ones reign from hamlets to villages . And there alsow were interior towns like Awbarkhadle, Sheikh/Fardowsa etc one of them being walled.

All of these walls were probably put up around the same time. Anyone who couldn’t probably fell into collapse.

 

[Aseer]

Yeah pastoralism became due to those cities and towns collapsing with the population dispersing around the region.
It was economic collapse.


Oromo literally set civilisation back like 3 centuries I swear down

Everyday I wish I could go back in time and whisper into adeer ahmed gureys ear to not be present in the battle of wayna daga his death was a LITERAL butterfly effect for the rest of somali history after the horn would be very different if he just didnt let his ego overcome him and attend that cursed battle

 

[Idilinaa]

I never claimed those were towns but i was talking about how masonry was not a thing that somalis rarely did.

Masonry? they are funeral mounds where they pile up rocks/stones lool. Lay off the exaggerations and misrepresentations.

Also in regards to the settlements i have shared a map on, observers have noticed that for example Somalis in Ogaden was still constructing it much the same way with continued tradition
A History of Derbé Belanbel Historical and Cultural Site

A History of Derbé Belanbel Historical and Cultural Site

The floor was of flattened earth in all the houses investigated. The roof, though totally collapsed at the time of investigation, was probably formed of brushwood, laid over a framework of roof beams of local wood, made probably from any of the species of acacia trees which even today is the dominant tree there, and covered with earth; a tradition of roof making among the Ethiopian Somalis that has continued to our days.

We have observed square or rectangular headed niches or inner windows in many of the still surviving walls and must have served as cupboards where they placed different materials like knives, swords, and Holy Scriptures inside. There were no signs of doors fixed and it is probable that a cloth or skin, attached to fairly long rectangular stone slab placed horizontally, serving as a curtain, covered the opening.

All of these walls were probably put up around the same time. Anyone who couldn’t probably fell into collapse.

Most settlements didn't feature walls aside from Doggor/Awbarkhadle/ which the fundations of a wall around it remain and Zeila an important commercial city

This allowed trade to flow between regions with no barriers. As there was no external threats threatening the trade and urban settlements. You only see Caravan stations instead.

The lack of walls in all the settlements found so far in the region speaks of a –more or less- peaceful coexistence between all the groups trading in Somaliland. Although problems could always arise –the fort of Qalcadda is an obvious example that caravans needed to be protected-, the importance of trade in the Horn of Africa only declined by external factors such as the blockage of the Red Sea by the Portuguese(Trimingham 1965: 86).

What the archaeological record of trade points to in Somaliland is a clear coordination between the nomads that benefited from the exchanges and the pass of the caravans through their territories, the urban dwellers that acted as nodes to allow the caravans resupply and rest, and the state which could have overseen the whole system.

Fortifications and walls are more common the closer they are to the Ethiopian highlands

This lack of defenses is surprising if we consider the permanent state of war between Christians and Muslims described in the written sources, and should be explained by the backward position of the Somaliland sites with respect to the border with the Christian kingdom. Fortresses and fortified settlements are more common the closer they are to the Ethiopian highlands(Fauvelle-Aymar and Hirsch2010a: 33-34).

Zayla itself didn't really have solid defenses until after the incursions in the 1500s and so didn't Harar until the Oromo invasions.

 

[Aseer]

The fun thing about this is that Somalis were one of the few Africans that built towns and cities with stone. Unlike others who used "natural materials" which degraded into nothing if abandoned which is why there's few archeological sites across much of the lower half of the continent.

Even If you go deep into Somali galbeed you'll find centuries old ruins of medieval somali towns and cities. Imagine what could be uncovered through archeology.

And you also mentioned the Galla hordes forced many somali cities to start building walls, one of the most important walls was the Wall around Harar built by the nephew and successor of Ahmad gurey, Nur ibn Mujahid. He put up the walls around Harar and this kept the diverse population of the city inside and isolated from their ethnic kin. This melting pot of ethnicities, including Somali, mixed over the centuries to form a new ethnicity called Harari.

It is important to note that Harari didn't exist as an ethnicity during the time of Imam Ahmad. Many ethiopians claim he's harari stupidly. Even though he was born in Hubat to a Somali knight lol.

When the futuh mentions Harari it simply means people from the city, it doesn't describe any ethnicity. However it would most likely be Somali. View attachment 335165View attachment 335166View attachment 335167View attachment 335168View attachment 335169View attachment 335170

They desecrates the walls with their filthy ge'ez script and even built a church inside this important city.

 

[Khaemwaset]

They desecrates the walls with their filthy ge'ez script and even built a church inside this important city.

Bro they even put up a picture if some habashi man. They build churches and statues of menelik in Jigjiga too.

But if we built a mosque and statue of Ahmad Gurey in their backwater towns in Amhara...

 

[Som]

It was a key moment for the building of Somali identity for sure

 

[Khaemwaset]

Everyday I wish I could go back in time and whisper into adeer ahmed gureys ear to not be present in the battle of wayna daga his death was a LITERAL butterfly effect for the rest of somali history after the horn would be very different if he just didnt let his ego overcome him and attend that cursed battle

Imam Ahmad was just going to a Habash town with a small army to collect taxes, when he got jumped by Portugess and Ethiopians. He nearly won that battle too had Portuguese knights not crept up on him and assassinated Amhad Gurey.

Bro shouldve just stayed put in Harar and sent some noble to collect taxes in the highlands.

His death really was the greatest butterfly effect