The need for Somaliweyn, through the case of Jordan

[waraabe]

In one of my posts above I said many of the Southern politicains didn't care about Somaliwayn like the nothern politicians did. I am not talking about the people here, just the politicians. Here is Maxamed Xaaji Ibraahin Ciqaal talking about his experiences in Xamar right before the Union and how the southern politicians viewed the whole thing.


I just wanted to make that clarification, because I didn't want people to think I was saying Southern Somalis didn't care about Somaliwayn, when in fact they did.

@Inquisitive_ will say cigaal is a liar and he was a xabashi agent

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The same people that speak of nationalism and unity don't even want to share the capital.
One even admitted that "federalism is daaroodism", so in your mind, centralism is hawiysm as the capital is firmly under your control.

These discussions would go much more smoothly and would be more fruitful if everyone was just honest.

Isaaq openly admit that they support Somaliland because it protects their interests.
Puntites want Puntland to be autonomous because we want to protect our interests.
Jubbaland: Same as Puntland.
South-West: Have their own language and identity.


HAG: "Somali unity but Mogadishu UNUKA LEH".

Get out of here.

The day the munaafaqnimo stops, we may move forward. Until then, stay in your tuulo and keep your nonsense to yourself.

 

[MadNomad]

I was. That was idealism. Idealism has no place in Somali politics.

What changed in one month?

 

[waraabe]

The same people that speak of nationalism and unity don't even want to share the capital.
One even admitted that "federalism is daaroodism", so in your mind, centralism is hawiysm as the capital is firmly under your control.

These discussions would go much more smoothly and would be more fruitful if everyone was just honest.

Isaaq openly admit that they support Somaliland because it protects their interests.
Puntites want Puntland to be autonomous because we want to protect our interests.
Jubbaland: Same as Puntland.
South-West: Have their own language and identity.


HAG: "Somali unity but Mogadishu UNUKA LEH".

Get out of here.

The day the munaafaqnimo stops, we may move forward. Until then, stay in your tuulo and keep your nonsense to yourself.

What led to Somaliland in the first place is because darod and hawiye were looking out for their individual interest while Isaaq was ready for pan somalism

 

[Gilgamesh]

Somaliweyn will happen in approximately 100 years.

 

[Gambar]

What led to Somaliland in the first place is because darod and hawiye were looking out for their individual interest while Isaaq was ready for pan somalism

Was it really that simple?

 

[waraabe]

Was it really that simple?

Lol yes

 

[Gambar]

Lol yes

I have to disagree but I'm Darood after all.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

The same people that speak of nationalism and unity don't even want to share the capital.
One even admitted that "federalism is daaroodism", so in your mind, centralism is hawiysm as the capital is firmly under your control.

These discussions would go much more smoothly and would be more fruitful if everyone was just honest.

Isaaq openly admit that they support Somaliland because it protects their interests.
Puntites want Puntland to be autonomous because we want to protect our interests.
Jubbaland: Same as Puntland.
South-West: Have their own language and identity.


HAG: "Somali unity but Mogadishu UNUKA LEH".

Get out of here.

The day the munaafaqnimo stops, we may move forward. Until then, stay in your tuulo and keep your nonsense to yourself.

Would u support Puntland seceding from Somalia?

 

[Gambar]

The same people that speak of nationalism and unity don't even want to share the capital.
One even admitted that "federalism is daaroodism", so in your mind, centralism is hawiysm as the capital is firmly under your control.

These discussions would go much more smoothly and would be more fruitful if everyone was just honest.

Isaaq openly admit that they support Somaliland because it protects their interests.
Puntites want Puntland to be autonomous because we want to protect our interests.
Jubbaland: Same as Puntland.
South-West: Have their own language and identity.


HAG: "Somali unity but Mogadishu UNUKA LEH".

Get out of here.

The day the munaafaqnimo stops, we may move forward. Until then, stay in your tuulo and keep your nonsense to yourself.

Unuka leh is just a reminder that if "we" step out of line they will chimp out on us again. I personally only care about my lands. @Duke of Bohol told me he will give me a plot of land in Sanaag and tell his clansmen to leave me alone if they try to f*ck with me.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Would u support Puntland seceding from Somalia?

Yes.

 

[Bohol]

Unuka leh is just a reminder that if "we" step out of line they will chimp out on us again. I personally only care about my lands. @Duke of Bohol told me he will give me a plot of land in Sanaag and tell his clansmen to leave me alone if they try to f*ck with me.

That was our secret agreement inabti it is not for the public eye.

 

[SuldaanGuled]

@horumar sxb miyaad wayday hees/gabay iwm oo soomali ah? waku side sxb

side ku dhaacda inaad somali iyo carab sheegata ? mid dooro sxb

it's like claiming you're isaaq iyo hg at the same time ?

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Yes.

Well at least ur position is logically consistent, unlike some Daaroods who lambast Somaliland for their secessionist ambitions while simultaneously supporting the carving up of Somalia into countless competing clan enclaves that render the central government completely impotent.

I always lol when a supporter of clan-based federalism speaks out against Somaliland seceding.

 

[SuldaanGuled]

Unuka leh is just a reminder that if "we" step out of line they will chimp out on us again. I personally only care about my lands. @Duke of Bohol told me he will give me a plot of land in Sanaag and tell his clansmen to leave me alone if they try to f*ck with me.

laakin aren't we neighbours you being mj & me hg. is my kind welcome in your lands if you don't mind me asking ?

:siilaanyolaugh::siilaanyolaugh:

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Well at least ur position is logically consistent, unlike some Daaroods who lambast Somaliland for their secessionist ambitions while simultaneously supporting the carving up of Somalia into countless competing clan enclaves that render the central government completely impotent.

To be fair, a true federal state is as powerful as a central run state, the truth is we don't have that right now as we do not trust each other.

In addition, Daaroods do not support Somaliland because they believe it to be a qabiil project.

If Somaliland formulated a fair power-sharing plan and used different tactics, perhaps SSC community would be more open to the idea.
It's all about the approach. Instead of the gun, perhaps dialogue and a referendum would be more wise but that's another topic for another day.

Good luck to anyone who wishes to escape the toxic failed project called "Somalia".

 

[Prince Abubu]

The irony.....

I know right? Almost as if people's opinions change over time. Crazy.

 

[Prince Abubu]

What changed in one month?

My opinion on Somalis.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

To be fair, a true federal state is as powerful as a central run state, the truth is we don't have that right now as we do not trust each other.

In addition, Daaroods do not support Somaliland because they believe it to be a qabiil project.

If Somaliland formulated a fair power-sharing plan and used different tactics, perhaps SSC community would be more open to the idea.
It's all about the approach.

Good luck to anyone who wishes to escape the toxic failed project called "Somalia".

I understand that Daaroods are against Somaliland because they view it to be a qabiil project. But what do u call the federal states in Somalia? Are they not qabiil projects as well? That's why I find it hypocritical of some Daaroods to be against Somalilands secession for ostensibly nationalist reasons, and then turn around and support clan-based federal states.

But I have no issue with ur personal position, as it's logically consistent. But I prefer to stick to my dream of Somali unity.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I understand that Daaroods are against Somaliland because they view it to be a qabiil project. But what do u call the federal states in Somalia? Are they not qabiil projects as well? That's why I find it hypocritical of some Daaroods to be against Somalilands secession for ostensibly nationalist reasons, and then turn around and support clan-based federal states.

But I have no issue with ur personal position, as it's logically consistent. But I prefer to stick to my dream of Somali unity.

Federal states are qabiil projects that are inhabited by the same qabiil (PL & JL= Daarood. GM &HS-Hawiye and so on), Somaliland needs to represent what they claim is Somaliland instead of just Isaaq regions.

Therein lies the difference.