The need for Somaliweyn, through the case of Jordan

[Prince Abubu]

Federal states are qabiil projects that are inhabited by the same qabiil (PL & JL= Daarood. GM &HS-Hawiye and so on), Somaliland needs to represent what they claim is Somaliland instead of just Isaaq regions.

Therein lies the difference.

Isaaq live in all the regions of Somaliland. I really don't like this lie constantly bandied about that we live in 3 cities. I have relatives from all regions, from Awdal to Sanaag. Somaliland is a indivisible.

 

[Gambar]

That was our secret agreement inabti it is not for the public eye.

That was a gentlemans agreement. I need markhati. You guys already pulled a fast one on us once before. This is a test run for me getting my fathers actual property back.

laakin aren't we neighbours you being mj & me hg. is my kind welcome in your lands if you don't mind me asking ?

:siilaanyolaugh::siilaanyolaugh:

Only Omar Mohamud border you, not my subclan.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Federal states are qabiil projects that are inhabited by the same qabiil (PL & JL= Daarood. GM &HS-Hawiye and so on), Somaliland needs to represent what they claim is Somaliland instead of just Isaaq regions.

Therein lies the difference.

Fair point. And I think as more Dhulbahantes comes on board the power sharing in Somaliland will reflect this. But this just proves my point...that Daaroods are really against Somaliland for clannish reasons and not nationalist ones. If they were honest about this I would have no issue with their criticism. If a Daarood tells me 'I'm against Somaliland because u guys are claiming Harti Daarood lands', i'd be like 'ok, i get it'. But I have an issue when they say their against Somaliland because it undermines Somali unity, and then turn around and support clan-based federal states.

 

[Gambar]

Isaaq live in all the regions of Somaliland. I really don't like this lie constantly bandied about that we live in 3 cities. I have relatives from all regions, from Awdal to Sanaag. Somaliland is a indivisible.

I think a better argument is that the Harti who don't want to be part of Somaliland are being "forced". It's not like the Harti want to necessarily be part of Puntland either.

 

[Bohol]

That was a gentlemans agreement. I need markhati. You guys already pulled a fast one on us once before. This is a test run for me getting my fathers actual property back.

Where did your father own properties? Ceerigaabo?

 

[Gambar]

Where did your father own properties? Ceerigaabo?

No in Xamar actually I have no intention of going to Ceerigabo. A friend of his got his property back and now he's become obsessed. He gave up on Ceerigabo a long time ago.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Fair point. And I think as more Dhulbahantes comes on board the power sharing in Somaliland will reflect this. But this just proves my point...that Daaroods are really against Somaliland for clannish reasons and not nationalist ones. If they were honest about this I would have no issue with their criticism. If a Daarood tells me 'I'm against Somaliland because u guys are claiming Harti Daarood lands', i'd be like 'ok, i get it'. But I have an issue when they say their against Somaliland because it undermines Somali unity, and then turn around and support clan-based federal states.

Whilst there are individuals who are nationalistic for purely emotional reasons, clans are like corporations; deeply self-interested.
No clan will entertain even the thought of being subjugated by another clan.
If Somaliland manages to devise a power-sharing agreement for SSC Harti and they agree, good luck and farewell guys.

 

[Prince Abubu]

I think a better argument is that the Harti who don't want to be part of Somaliland are being "forced". It's not like the Harti want to necessarily be part of Puntland either.

I know. So maybe harti need to make a decision on where they want to go. Somaliland will not be held hostage by dhulos and warsangelis, two clans that collaborated with Siad Barre and his dog Moogan. If they want to stay, let them. If they want to go, let them. Somaliland is not gonna cede any land, though.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

No in Xamar actually I have no intention of going to Ceerigabo. A friend of his got his property back and now he's become obsessed. He gave up on Ceerigabo a long time ago.

Why'd he give up on it?

 

[mrlog]

@horumar sxb miyaad wayday hees/gabay iwm oo soomali ah? waku side sxb

side ku dhaacda inaad somali iyo carab sheegata ? mid dooro sxb

it's like claiming you're isaaq iyo hg at the same time ?

Ninyahow habar-jeclo, habar-awal, habar-yoonis iyo Habar-gidir are all long lost cousins.

 

[Gambar]

Whilst there are individuals who are nationalistic for purely emotional reasons, clans are like corporations; deeply self-interested.
No clan will entertain even the thought of being subjugated by another clan.
If Somaliland manages to devise a power-sharing agreement for SSC Harti and they agree, good luck and farewell guys.

The same excuse is used by other Darood and Harti, claiming MJ usurp everything.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I think a better argument is that the Harti who don't want to be part of Somaliland are being "forced". It's not like the Harti want to necessarily be part of Puntland either.

Exactly. Isaaq dropped the ball with their Somaliland movement. They thought that force and bribery would convert Harti but that's not how it works.
Power-sharing and mutual respect will do the trick.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The same excuse is used by other Darood and Harti, claiming MJ usurp everything.

Yep.

Instead of realising that MJ's are only eating their fair share of the pie, they want us to feel bad about having all that land.
What are we supposed to do? Act like a minority to make everyone feel better about themselves?
NOPE.

They want power but they don't want to work for it, instead they will whine and insult us day in, day out.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Yep.

Instead of realising that MJ's are only eating their fair share of the pie, they want us to feel bad about having all that land.
What are we supposed to do? Act like a minority to make everyone feel better about themselves.

They want power but they don't want to work for it, instead they will whine and insult us day in, day out.

Why aren't you giving these same excuses to Isaaqs? What percentage of the population in Puntland do u think is MJ? And what percentage of the population in Somaliland do u think is Isaaq?

 

[Gambar]

I know. So maybe harti need to make a decision on where they want to go. Somaliland will not be held hostage by dhulos and warsangelis, two clans that collaborated with Siad Barre and his dog Moogan. If they want to stay, let them. If they want to go, let them. Somaliland is not gonna cede any land, though.

I don't understand them nor speak for them. But I'm sure the Dhulbahante on this board who hate us will say it's us darn MJ behind it.

Why'd he give up on it?

He holds a grudge against the HY whole killed some of his family members so he doesn't want anything to do with it. Plus he was merely born there and left when he was 1 and grew up in Xamar. It's not a place he knows.

Yep.

Instead of realising that MJ's are only eating their fair share of the pie, they want us to feel bad about having all that land.
What are we supposed to do? Act like a minority to make everyone feel better about themselves.

They want power but they don't want to work for it, instead they will whine and insult us day in, day out.

Adeer Abdiweli Gaas should tell them no more booli qaran walaloyalow.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

He holds a grudge against the HY whole killed some of his family members so he doesn't want anything to do with it. Plus he was merely born there and left when he was 1 and grew up in Xamar. It's not a place he knows.

That's sad. The civil war was messed up. Aun to his relatives.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Why aren't you giving these same excuses to Isaaqs? What percentage of the population in Puntland do u think is MJ? And what percentage of the population in Somaliland do u think is Isaaq?

I don't really know the details of the power-sharing in Somaliland. I am just trying to shed some light on why northern Harti are not happy with the project.

SSC Harti claim they are the majority in SSC whereas Isaaq claim the same.

I just wish they would work together and either join Somalia as a federal state or gain independence.
Honestly, these conflicts are tiresome.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I don't understand them nor speak for them. But I'm sure the Dhulbahante on this board who hate us will say it's us darn MJ behind it.



He holds a grudge against the HY whole killed some of his family members so he doesn't want anything to do with it. Plus he was merely born there and left when he was 1 and grew up in Xamar. It's not a place he knows.

Adeer Abdiweli Gaas should tell them no more booli qaran walaloyalow.

AUN.
Gahayle suffered in Ceerigaabo but thankfully, we have enough land to go around between us Puntites.

 

[mrlog]

The same excuse is used by other Darood and Harti, claiming MJ usurp everything.

Walaalo I had to Google the meaning of 'usurp'.
I got a big fat F in ESL.
Keep 'em coming so our vocab can increase.
Loads of dhoore yaal like me on this forum

 

[Gambar]

I don't really know the details of the power-sharing in Somaliland. I am just trying to shed some light on why northern Harti are not happy with the project.

SSC Harti claim they are the majority in SSC whereas Isaaq claim the same.

I just wish they would work together and either join Somalia as a federal state or gain independence.
Honestly, these conflicts are tiresome.

Is it SSC Harti or SSC Dhulbahante?

AUN.
Gahayle suffered in Ceerigaabo but thankfully, we have enough land to go around between us Puntites.

My family own businesses in Bosaso. Other Siwaaqroon subclans live in Bari so they moved there during the civil war. My dads side are not reer guuraa but kalumayste so they are more settled and not used to moving back and forth. They don't want to go back to Sanaag.