The Pakistani grooming scandal is not our business or issue

[gasara]

As bad as those are, if that was the only problem, dishonesty and lack of integrity, we can work around it, but these people actually kill competitors and Engineers that embark on transformative projects in the country out of pure Xasid.

I can at least understand taking out a competitor as callous and degenerate as that is, but a person building sewer system? and other infrastructure that benefits the entire country?

I recall a small stretch of road construction that wasn't even built properly due to corruption, you had so many soldiers there guarding the workers and equipments at a significant cost, it was crazy to see and the soldiers were on constant high alert and paranoid.

Who are they guarding against you may ask? other corrupt soldiers, police officers, criminal gangs, khawaarij and the general public that will extort the workers and steal the equipments, and if they find the actual engineer kill him.

@Idilinaa I am not denying you have some none Bantu/Madowweyne in the labour work force, neither is Angelina, we are arguing they are the minority.

However those images you are sharing are just the PR pictures, there is not a sweat on those guys and the clothes are fresh, it doesn't proof anything, this is well known in Somalia, which is why I doubt you spent significant amount of time there beyond holidays.

I have to respectfully disagree with your statement that 'this is well known in Somalia.' My family and ancestors have always shouldered the hard, laborious work that keeps society functioning. Who else, if not us, would build our homes, grow our food, pave our roads, or construct our schools? I lived back home for about two years, and I’ve seen firsthand the labor-intensive jobs my family and others have done. I can even trace back my history and the kind of work they’ve taken on. Many Somali people have contributed to building their cities and have taken on labor-intensive jobs. It might be different for your family, but for the rest of us in Galbeed and the North, I know my people have played their part. How else would they provide for their families and earn a living? We aren’t a minority—there are many of us.

 

[Idilinaa]

As bad as those are, if that was the only problem, dishonesty and lack of integrity, we can work around it, but these people actually kill competitors and Engineers that embark on transformative projects in the country out of pure Xasid.

I can at least understand taking out a competitor as callous and degenerate as that is, but a person building sewer system? and other infrastructure that benefits the entire country?

I recall a small stretch of road construction that wasn't even built properly due to corruption, you had so many soldiers there guarding the workers and equipments at a significant cost, it was crazy to see and the soldiers were on constant high alert and paranoid.

Who are they guarding against you may ask? other corrupt soldiers, police officers, criminal gangs, khawaarij and the general public that will extort the workers and steal the equipments, and if they find the actual engineer kill him. (all the top engineers have heavy security escort all the time)

I have actually shared a report in another thread that actually showed that compared to other Sub-Saharan African countries Somali is a high trust society.

Somalia has the highest Business Process ratings in the regions

Somalia performs relatively well in ensuring legal agreements are honored and disputes are resolved more effectively compared to the Sub-Saharan Africa average.

As bad as the public sector is, it's not really reflective of Somali society as a whole or the private sector which generates 90% of the jobs and and is the back bone of most of the activity in the country which show most to be honest people with integrity so much so that people have an easy time of conducting business as per reports. People largely honor their contracts and agreements .

As for the public sector, its a newly formed government that's building out's institutions. Just this year alone they have made many improvements.

@Idilinaa I am not denying you have some none Bantu/Madowweyne in the labour work force, neither is Angelina, we are arguing they are the minority.

However those images you are sharing are just the PR pictures, there is not a sweat on those guys and the clothes are fresh, it doesn't proof anything, this is well known in Somalia, which is why I doubt you spent significant amount of time there beyond holidays.

Go to the construction company links under the pics i just shared, its just a regular average Somalis from those areas. It's not mainly bantus/madoweyne. If you go to mogadishu for example you will find a couple here and there amongst others employed because bantus are local Somalis to the area as well.

Construction companies just pull unskilled labour either from the local community of people that live in the area or outsource it.

 

[Mozart]

Pakistani's do a good job at portraying issues within their community as a wider "Muslim" issue. When they push back against Grooming gang conversations, they always pose it as a matter of "islamaphobia" when Islam wasn't even mentioned.

Other muslim groups would be better served distancing themselves from this topic and also making sure this isn't allowed to become a "Muslim" issue. It's a specific community with disgusting views about white girls.

When the Somali idiot killed MP David Ames did you see Pakistanis defending you under the guise of religion ?