I have to respectfully disagree with your statement that 'this is well known in Somalia.' My family and ancestors have always shouldered the hard, laborious work that keeps society functioning. Who else, if not us, would build our homes, grow our food, pave our roads, or construct our schools? I lived back home for about two years, and I’ve seen firsthand the labor-intensive jobs my family and others have done. I can even trace back my history and the kind of work they’ve taken on. Many Somali people have contributed to building their cities and have taken on labor-intensive jobs. It might be different for your family, but for the rest of us in Galbeed and the North, I know my people have played their part. How else would they provide for their families and earn a living? We aren’t a minority—there are many of us.
The Pakistani grooming scandal is not our business or issue
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I have actually shared a report in another thread that actually showed that compared to other Sub-Saharan African countries Somali is a high trust society.
Somalia has the highest Business Process ratings in the regions
Somalia performs relatively well in ensuring legal agreements are honored and disputes are resolved more effectively compared to the Sub-Saharan Africa average.
As bad as the public sector is, it's not really reflective of Somali society as a whole or the private sector which generates 90% of the jobs and and is the back bone of most of the activity in the country which show most to be honest people with integrity so much so that people have an easy time of conducting business as per reports. People largely honor their contracts and agreements .
As for the public sector, its a newly formed government that's building out's institutions. Just this year alone they have made many improvements.
Go to the construction company links under the pics i just shared, its just a regular average Somalis from those areas. It's not mainly bantus/madoweyne. If you go to mogadishu for example you will find a couple here and there amongst others employed because bantus are local Somalis to the area as well.
Construction companies just pull unskilled labour either from the local community of people that live in the area or outsource it.
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Pakistani's do a good job at portraying issues within their community as a wider "Muslim" issue. When they push back against Grooming gang conversations, they always pose it as a matter of "islamaphobia" when Islam wasn't even mentioned.
Other muslim groups would be better served distancing themselves from this topic and also making sure this isn't allowed to become a "Muslim" issue. It's a specific community with disgusting views about white girls.
When the Somali idiot killed MP David Ames did you see Pakistanis defending you under the guise of religion ?
Other muslim groups would be better served distancing themselves from this topic and also making sure this isn't allowed to become a "Muslim" issue. It's a specific community with disgusting views about white girls.
When the Somali idiot killed MP David Ames did you see Pakistanis defending you under the guise of religion ?
If you were familiar with Somalis on the level you claim, you’d know that madowweyne isn’t racist, it’s what they call themselves Qabil wise. ‘Somali Bantu’ is the Westernized word used for them and hardly anyone that lives home would use that word to describe them. I know you’re very knowledgeable and interested in Somali affairs but you do come across as clueless when it comes to the in’s and outs of Somali Dhaqan and the practices of the locals.Been all over Somalia , Kenya, Ethiopia etc. I have seen videos and photos of various construction sites , detailed studies and reports as well. You forget i am the user on this site who has a keen interest in housing and urban planning in Somali communities.
They are not mostly madow weyne which i assume is some weird racist code word Somali bantus.
Somali construction workers in Mogadishu
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Strengthening vocational education and training in Somalia
The project focuses on improving the public vocational education and training system in terms of its governance, quality and access.www.giz.de
Somali construction workers in Garowe/Puntland
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You can literally see this for yourself, and visit various construction company websites where they show videos and galleries of their laborers and team in action.
Gallery - Albashid Constructions
albashid.com
Buruuj Construction and Real Estate – Buruuj Construction and Real Estate
Buruuj Construction and Real Estateburuuj.so
It's just local Somalis of all stripes doing the work for the most part and the ones who actually opt for unskilled labour low wage work the most is actually Somalis of poorer less well off backgrounds that are desperate for employment opportunities to support themselves with, while the construction managers, technician builders and civil engineers managing those sites come from more educated skilled backgrounds and in many cases graduates of universities or vocational schools.
You even misrepresent your own source , its united nations study btw and its an aggregate number 1.6 billion that includes Somalis from the gulf region and other places not just Europe and America.. Dahabshil only manage 2/3rds of this btw.
But yeah the the same UN report in 2020 puts remittances at 1.4 billion
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Remittances only account for 6% of mobile money transactions. So 94% is non-remittance based.
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The mobile money transactions is around 2.7 billion a month.
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Mobile money transactions put together becomes 32 billion a year. So yeah you do the math. 1.4 billion is drop in the bucket. 32 billion is only 36% of the GDP might i add.
Somalia has a plethora options when it comes to renewable energy and its opting for a hybrid model.
So it's not just solar and wind alone which would bringing down the cost significantly and is stated to be used to power businesses, heck geothermal energy alone can supply all of Somalia's energy needs plus industrial capacity and then leave a lot for export.
I have covered this in a different thread that Somalis true GDP is significantly higher than the stated estimate , you can pretty much see it from the amount of mobile money transfer alone which far exceeds that number , and they haven't really done a rebase yet .
I disagree. Somalias strenght is it's people. The human capital gain and investments and selfless giving that is producing economic growth in the country and job oppurtunities in the country. It's why Somalia is becoming a fast growing commercial and real estate hub , growing health care sector and boasts regions Nr. 1 university.
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Somalia is not a high trust society when it comes to building homes. Idilinaa, Idilinaa no one who actually buys land and builds would ever say Somalia is high trust. You cannot even trust them to not swap your building materials with cheaper ones!
Girl, the more you talk the more obvious it is you don’t know what you’re talking about. Actually go there, build and buy land. No amount of studies about a country which doesn’t have a proper governing body can be fully accurate and we simply cannot gauge the full picture without a proper census.
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She said it was high trust compared it to the rest of the sub-saharan countries though...not that it was high trust period.
ngl idillinaa is easily my fav poster here, wish her the best in all her endeavours
I have actually made thread on building of homes and the materials Somalis use for them, they largely just role out affordable housing through the usage of locally sourced building materials with makes it cheaper. Check it out.
Further proof of Somali quarrying industry and housing developments: Reer Ogaden case study
I made the point that houses in the Greater Somali East Africa are generally better built then our neighbors due to key geographical advantages. - Geology: Somalia unlike other African countries has a geological landscape in many areas that allowed for available stone quarries that can be used...
www.somalispot.com
It's not from studies , they are actually videos from real estate and construction companies
They largely use the same materials for the same houses to be honest. Hence why a lot of homes look similar
Most of them are large multi-room estates .
For contrast look how tiny she looks next to the houses.
If you had bad experience with a home builder, that's a shame but you can't generalize that though as if it was every Somali persons experience. Next time reach out to a proper home developer.
It is racist nobody calls them madowweyne, heck when when i visited the place except weirdo's on this forum like you who want use them for racial stereotype making and differentiate them from other Somalis.
How they being described with skin colour and we are not? I even disagree with J-word which is largely self employed by them in the beginning, they did themselves dirty with that one though.
I am pretty aware of the term ''Somali bantu'' and where it comes from as i have actually explained this to people about on this forums, so imagine trying to lecture me about it.
Somali Bantu isn't a real thing either, it was a name applied by UN workers to distinguish them from other Somalis in the 2010s.
But with the Bantu speaking descendants its a bit of a tricky one, there are those who are integrated into the Somali clan system and culture where they just constitute clans within the major ones, and there are those who are more recent that lived a more socially separated life because they lived far into the rural country side from most Somalis inside Somalia up until recently when UNSOM moved them around.
Despite their arrival through slavery(shameful part of our history), there really wasn't any real anti-bantu sentiments and deep mistreatment of them by Somalis. They was actually treated like another family member , the Italian traveler Luigi Roberto in 1890 describes it
This is why there were never any real slave rebellions in Somali society. Somali society wasn't a society that created marginalization in forms of serfs and nobles.
They also had many ways of achieving their freedom and once they did , they were given land, cattle and a wife.
The distinctions made between them and other Somalis was mainly an occupational one, it wasn't one of an ethnic or racial separation.
As far as 0.5 goes and the current powersharing system in FGS. It is rejected by most Somalis and it doesn't reflect Somali culture or sentiments. It discriminates against all clans and groups, it only benefits the elites in suits and their foreign handlers.
They were either called habash, reer gosha etc or were referred to by their individual clan names like shiidle etc which i believe suits them better (except habash they reject it because of the connotation).
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It completely depends on where in Somalia you're talking about. If it's some unstable part of Koonfur where some mooryaans are running amok I'd be inclined to agree with you but in the northeast it is in many ways "high trust" in terms of business a lot of the time. And if you mess around the person's tol will be on your ass.
I remember as a kid many years ago—even before I went back as recently as the summer of 2023—going out into the desert near Bosaso with my abti to pick up some jugs of raw camel milk from some Geeljires. When we got to the spot the jugs were just laying there on the designated spot with no one around. We loaded them into his truck and he wired them the money with his phone. I was shocked and asked why they wouldn't stay behind to make sure he paid for the milk and he said "People just trust each other here."
On the other hand, nowadays as the more major cities have developed there has been some pickpocketing and general nonsense going on but that's just normal for any 3rd world "developing" country where cities are rapidly growing. In terms of bigger and more serious business dealings there is generally aman.
No Somalia is a high trust society. There is no way for business to even function or work inside the country for many years without much government oversight and regulation, if there was lack of trust. You have to be really be able to trust eachother.
What is a high trust society:
How this place a role in Somali society
Entrust We Must: The Role of "Trust" in Somali Economic Life
Entrust We Must: The Role of "Trust" in Somali Economic LifeIn Somali business success, trust plays a vital role
https://nation.africa/kenya/blogs-opinion/blogs/dot9/ndemo/in-somali-business-success-trust-plays-a-vital-role-452136
I used to find it trippy how people in the Gobols and areas not immediately around Xamar weren't just mass looting each other's homes and properties after the civil war. My dad would show me plots of land and houses we owned and I'd be like "But there's no real central government. How has no one just stolen your land, papa?" and, again, he'd reiterate what my uncle said about people trusting each other.
To be honest, the behaviors reer qurbo in some countries in the west display put me in a state of shock when I first saw them. Robberies, rapes, gang violence... very foreign to Khaleej and non-immediate Xamar environ Somalis.
Even the looting in in the break out of the war in Xamar is incredibly out of the norm as it is prohibited in Somali laws and norms. You rarely if never used to see this happen.
Taken from these conventions:
In Xamar, arming of factions by outsiders undermined these conventions because they were not bounded by Somali social norms, laws and functions as they didn't answer to Somalis but to foreigners and international actors.
They were thugs didn't respect our society and code of life.
When was your last time in Somalia.things are improving we are much better than 10 years ago
Somalia is indeed a high trust country, I’ve been all over East,Southern and Central Africa, we are miles ahead the only thing we are missing is a full functional central government and stability.
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Failures occurred across every service. Laura Wilson’s sister Sarah was raped in a school playground aged 11. She was so young she “had no understanding of sex” when the attack occurred. The incident was the beginning of “her systematic grooming and sexual assault”, which saw her “driven across the country to be raped by multiple men in one night, and ignored by both the police and social services”.
At one point, her mother showed her phone to officers. It contained 177 numbers for adult Asian men. The police “claimed that the Data Protection Act prevented them from investigating”, and that her daughter’s behaviour was a “lifestyle choice”.
When Sarah reported an attack, the officer she spoke to “laughed and refused to investigate”."
www.telegraph.co.uk
177 man. Oh Lord. Timajilics are going to have to own this down. Don’t get sucked into posting baits about “but muh cadaans were doing it as well”. It will backfire once the archives dug and the full details of the abuse are revealed to the wider public. If there is a public it will very damming for the Pakistani timajilics.
At one point, her mother showed her phone to officers. It contained 177 numbers for adult Asian men. The police “claimed that the Data Protection Act prevented them from investigating”, and that her daughter’s behaviour was a “lifestyle choice”.
When Sarah reported an attack, the officer she spoke to “laughed and refused to investigate”."
The true horror of the Rotherham grooming scandal – and the shameful failure to stop it
It’s hard to fathom how so many young girls could be abused for so long without the authorities intervening
www.telegraph.co.uk
177 man. Oh Lord. Timajilics are going to have to own this down. Don’t get sucked into posting baits about “but muh cadaans were doing it as well”. It will backfire once the archives dug and the full details of the abuse are revealed to the wider public. If there is a public it will very damming for the Pakistani timajilics.
It’s an incredibly common theme and this is something people routinely complain about hence if you’re someone building, you need to make sure you’re there or employ close family to keep an eye. Your nativity is refreshing.
You’ve never visited Xamar.
I’ll lecture you about it since you’re clueless about Xamar and haven’t been there so yoj should stick to what you know.
This site corrects the word Jariirweyne to madowweyne when you try to spell it the correct way.
No, they are called Jarirweyne , it is in fact rude to call them Habesh. Idilinaa, you’re not from Xamar and it’s not evident, hence refrain from talking about something you don’t know. They even call themselves Jariirweyne but it’s Western Diaspora who have made that word into a slur. You’re clearly from the North, so stick to that and don’t you dare lecture me on place whose people I know very well and live next to.
Calling me a weirdo for calling them what they call themselves is ridiculous. Where are you from? You’re not from Xamar, that’s for sure and it’s annoying when someone who isn’t a Xamari clearly nothing but a western kid use words like Somali ‘Bantu’ thinking that’s what locals call themselves. We don’t. As for there individual qabil, I’m aware of them but as a collective they’re called Jariirweyne but racists have hijacked that word.
Here they are calling themselves Jariirweyne. You’re so clueless about Xamaris Daqan that you don’t even know we that use the word Habesh agaisnt then as an insult, that is NOT a word we use for them and no self respecting Jariirweyne would use that word to describe themselves.
Hence stick to what you know, Xamar isn’t your jurisdiction.
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Nope, she is saying it’s ’high Trust’ in general. If she said it was high trust compared to other SSAs I’d be inclined to believe her, but it isn’t. When it comes to normal everyday business dealings, it is high trust but the building industry in Xamar isn’t. You need to be careful and actually go there on a regular or employ family to keep an eye.
It's rude to call them Xabash because they reject. Didn't i just say that? but that's what other Somalis used to call some
J-word or Jariir is something they call themselves but it is recent and it's linked to racial colonial ideology. Have gone over it before.
Whereas madowweyne i have never heard of it in practice.
Racist Southerners use the word Habesh differently to Northerners, they use it as a derogatory term for Jariirweyne. Thats my point and youd know that if you were from Xamar.
This forum censures the word Jariirweyne when spelt correctly and changes it to madowweyne
I wouldn't say it was applied in a racist deragatory way, because the connotation was originally link to the Ethiopian domestic servants that came before them, as the name applies and old manuscripts show.
Whereas jariir and or this madoweyne is one 100% racist, because it racializes them and reduces them to a mere descriptor of physical appearance. It actually comes from those same communities borrowing from hamitic race science in many ways that influenced the distinction between Tutsis and Hutu, which was original just occupational seperative names nothing to do with physical appearance. In a similar way it is meant to imply they are more African and other Somalis are less African.
Thats why i say that they kinda shoot themselves in the foot when they applied that raciaized term to themselves, it was bound to be used as a slur. What do they expect? especially on the social web where anything goes and people fling obscenities at eachother.
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Me and my 3 brothers have been saving for a while, our family has 20+ acres of land in the north. We intend to invest and build specifically on our family’s land. 2 out of the 4 of us want to go back and build there and all 4 want to be part of the process.
InshAllah things work out for us and for the country as a whole.
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