HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
He was busy being his boss
Which character is most responsible for Somalia's destruction?
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Is he worse than caydiid? Or you don't care what caydiid did because he didn't loot and kill isaaqs?
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
Facts.
Don't let these pseudo-Holocaust victims fool you with their crocodile tears. They cry about something that supposedly happened to them but find joy in the killing of Daroods. These are the type of people to call Siad Barre "afweyne" day and night but conveniently remember the deen when someone says something about that f*ck nigga Aideed.
yas/London
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If one of your family members didn't kill someone in the civil war then you're blessed.
SuldaanMethylamine
Scheming from Salaxley
Both have tons of blood on their hands.
We all have our most hated, only difference is @methylamine would never say "Caydiid didn't do anything"
yas/London
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Goodnight Somalis, make it funny for me when I wake up. xx
Siyad Barre was the epicenter of the causes and the long term disease that engulfed SOMALIA.
The following points led me to blame him:
Held on to power as if he was was the anointed one
Killed wadaads on a complete power trip
Concentrated power
Favoritism
Unbelievable corruption ( his people going to the bank on any given day with a simple note and then exit that bank with bags full of money. Tax payers money )
Intolerance
Diin-la'aan
Refusal to prepare people for mature political transfer
Cult of personality
Suppression of a lot of freedoms
Hard headed
Reusable to appreciate and acknowledge the nature of the pagan wicked uncivilized somali
The following points led me to blame him:
Held on to power as if he was was the anointed one
Killed wadaads on a complete power trip
Concentrated power
Favoritism
Unbelievable corruption ( his people going to the bank on any given day with a simple note and then exit that bank with bags full of money. Tax payers money )
Intolerance
Diin-la'aan
Refusal to prepare people for mature political transfer
Cult of personality
Suppression of a lot of freedoms
Hard headed
Reusable to appreciate and acknowledge the nature of the pagan wicked uncivilized somali
And that's not even mentioning the scores of Somalis he killed while he was in power. May Allah give him what he deserves.
Yes, Siyad Barre was responsible for the conditions that led to the civil war, but why do you think the war has been so prolonged? I feel as if the war should have ended in 1993 or 1994....and not gone on as long as it had. Dictators are deposed all the time, but a 25+ year civil war is unacceptable.
It is my infinite understanding after studying our peoples background, mentality and nature that the worse thing to have happened to Somslia was Siyad Barre;
But just hold on before you accuse me of being influenced by qabiil..
The following ingredients were a ticking time bomb:
1. People who had no history of statehood and nationalism and who were a warring tribes when the white men captured them. Since they were a warring tribes who knew know nationhood and were always suspicious because of the Darwanistic nature in their society Siad Barre refuse to understand to handle these savages with extreme caution by ruling like Rwanda's Paul Kagame. Paul Kagame is probably the most successful dictator of Africa who his people genuinely love him and want him to stay on power. How did Kagame done this ? He is known to be free of corruption and has build his country that IMF is saying Rwanda will be a middle class economy in 2020, a feat rarely heard in the qaarada inkaarta qabta.
2. Ignoring the fact that imposing provincial governors of far off regions will create hostility and mistrust. At the sametime not understanding that this governor also does not care for the nationhood concept and feels like he is in a different country insteaD of seeing how helping this province is beneficial for all. What Siad Barre needed to do was allow elections for each province to elect while he remained on power.
3. Idiotic bureaucracy where someone in Hargeisa had to come down to Mogadishu to get a passport.
4. Withholding developments from certain regions because of perceived thread of things getting out of control.
5. Playing the biggest nepotism known to mankind
6. Spending too much time arming himself instead of putting all his efforts to discover that oil because hungry people are deadly people.
7. His stubborness to see the cloud gathering as people were becoming restless towards his rule. At this moment a wise leader would understand the savage nature of the somali and would've have pressed the nation for fair elections
8. His complete and utter carelessness to compromise as rebellion broke out (1988).
Therefore ...the full brunt of the blame goes on the shoulder for the man that ruled Somalia for 21 years ...
Caydiid and the rest are just side affects ..,each of those whole came after Siyad wre in the scene for no more than 5 years...
But just hold on before you accuse me of being influenced by qabiil..
The following ingredients were a ticking time bomb:
1. People who had no history of statehood and nationalism and who were a warring tribes when the white men captured them. Since they were a warring tribes who knew know nationhood and were always suspicious because of the Darwanistic nature in their society Siad Barre refuse to understand to handle these savages with extreme caution by ruling like Rwanda's Paul Kagame. Paul Kagame is probably the most successful dictator of Africa who his people genuinely love him and want him to stay on power. How did Kagame done this ? He is known to be free of corruption and has build his country that IMF is saying Rwanda will be a middle class economy in 2020, a feat rarely heard in the qaarada inkaarta qabta.
2. Ignoring the fact that imposing provincial governors of far off regions will create hostility and mistrust. At the sametime not understanding that this governor also does not care for the nationhood concept and feels like he is in a different country insteaD of seeing how helping this province is beneficial for all. What Siad Barre needed to do was allow elections for each province to elect while he remained on power.
3. Idiotic bureaucracy where someone in Hargeisa had to come down to Mogadishu to get a passport.
4. Withholding developments from certain regions because of perceived thread of things getting out of control.
5. Playing the biggest nepotism known to mankind
6. Spending too much time arming himself instead of putting all his efforts to discover that oil because hungry people are deadly people.
7. His stubborness to see the cloud gathering as people were becoming restless towards his rule. At this moment a wise leader would understand the savage nature of the somali and would've have pressed the nation for fair elections
8. His complete and utter carelessness to compromise as rebellion broke out (1988).
Therefore ...the full brunt of the blame goes on the shoulder for the man that ruled Somalia for 21 years ...
Caydiid and the rest are just side affects ..,each of those whole came after Siyad wre in the scene for no more than 5 years...
SuldaanMethylamine
Scheming from Salaxley
SNM killed people who worked for the government (The first people to be killed were Isaaq snitches themselves), or people who were armed by the government. SNM was at war with the government, not a tribe. The same can't be said with the Kacaan or USC post-91.I see alot of isaaq pointing fingers on who has blood on his hand and who is not
I find it funny they conveniently forget about the snm criminals they stan being famous for killing innocent people before and after the government collapse
Also SNM ceased to exist following the collapse of the regime as power was transferred to form the civilian government of Somaliland.
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
No nigga stfu. Don't try to downplay the warlords' role in the civil war. By 1991, Siad Barre was gone. His rule was over, he had nothing to do with what was going on in Mogadishu, let alone the rest of Somalia.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who turned Mogadishu into ruins. It was Caydiid and Cali Mahdi.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who sent the USC to sneak into Galkacyo in the middle of the night and savagely kill innocent men, women, and children with knives, it was Caydiid.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who didn't allow aid to get to get to millions of famine victims, it was Caydiid.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who killed Muslim UN peacekeepers who were sent to ensure that food aid got to starving people, it was the lunatic Caydiid.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who allowed the dumping of radioactive waste in Somalia's waters, it was Cali Mahdi.
Are you that thick to blame Siad Barre for everything that happened in Somalia after he was deposed and absolve all the warlords of their crimes? Where is the logic in that?
Siad Barre wasn't the man who turned Mogadishu into ruins. It was Caydiid and Cali Mahdi.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who sent the USC to sneak into Galkacyo in the middle of the night and savagely kill innocent men, women, and children with knives, it was Caydiid.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who didn't allow aid to get to get to millions of famine victims, it was Caydiid.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who killed Muslim UN peacekeepers who were sent to ensure that food aid got to starving people, it was the lunatic Caydiid.
Siad Barre wasn't the man who allowed the dumping of radioactive waste in Somalia's waters, it was Cali Mahdi.
Are you that thick to blame Siad Barre for everything that happened in Somalia after he was deposed and absolve all the warlords of their crimes? Where is the logic in that?
Freebandz
MONEY TEAM
Nice fucking try
There is 2 facts here 1 was what lead to your people getting killed in the first place by the army I like how you conveniently skip over the part where these snm criminals were targeting innocent none government civilians
The second time was after the government collapsed when you turned your guns on guudibursi in the awdal region
You do understand that when you have AIDS and you die you die from little sickness as the flu but do you see anyone putting the blame on the flu? No you don't see that because people are not stupid enough to blame the flu because the flu is just a by-product of a bigger cause.
AIDS = Siyad Barre
Flu = Caydiid and his coworkers
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
What a horribly dim-witted analogy. I never thought you were this obtuse sxb. I clearly stated, Siad Barre was out of the picture after he was deposed. How the f*ck are you blaming him for what happened after he was deposed? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. After he was toppled, the warlords did the damage that completely destroyed Somalia. Barre's crimes pale in comparison to the atrocities committed by the USC. Forget about the targeting of Daroods after the collapse of the government, the Caydiid-Cali Mahdi war, that turned Mogadishu into rubble, itself was worse than anything Barre had ever done. Barre's decisions took their toll on the state but the events after his ouster completely destroyed Somalia.
Siyad built Somalia into a respected force, the ethiopian's feared us and the outside world respected us. He has done more for Somalia than any president, the guys who came after had no vision, they just wanted to sit on the chair that's it.
The iraqi's would take back Saddam in a heart beat, there isn't a leader who's not hated by 45% of the nation, that's normal.
Abdullah yusuf spent his days in some Kenyan hotel, Siad got shit done, sadly the kids wanted to play musical chairs.
The iraqi's would take back Saddam in a heart beat, there isn't a leader who's not hated by 45% of the nation, that's normal.
Abdullah yusuf spent his days in some Kenyan hotel, Siad got shit done, sadly the kids wanted to play musical chairs.
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