Which character is most responsible for Somalia's destruction?

[SuldaanMethylamine]

Nice fucking try
There is 2 facts here 1 was what lead to your people getting killed in the first place by the army I like how you conveniently skip over the part where these snm criminals were targeting innocent none government civiliansThe second time was after the government collapsed when you turned your guns on guudibursi in the awdal region

Lol.
SNM's objective was to liberate its regions from the Kacaan, not target non-Isaaq citizens. Provide evidence that proves SNM was targeting non-Isaaqs that weren't affiliated with the government. Like I said before, only Faqash snitches or those armed by the Faqash were targeted and killed. Any extrajudicial killing conducted by SNM soldiers were acting on their own accord, not following SNM orders. Unlike SNM, the government specifically targeted tribes. Don't believe it? Explain why Isaaq professionals in Xamar were being rounded up, imprisoned, and executed on Jazeera beach? Unless you wanna say SNM were hiding in Xamar.

As far as your claims of Gadabursis being targeted by SNM, prove it. SNM ceased to exist following the formation of Somaliland

 

[menace]

What a horribly dim-witted analogy. I never thought you were this obtuse sxb. I clearly stated, Siad Barre was out of the picture after he was deposed. How the f*ck are you blaming him for what happened after he was deposed? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. After he was toppled, the warlords did the damage that completely destroyed Somalia. Barre's crimes pale in comparison to the atrocities committed by the USC. Forget about the targeting of Daroods after the collapse of the government, the Caydiid-Cali Mahdi war, that turned Mogadishu into rubble, itself was worse than anything Barre had ever done. Barre's decisions took their toll on the state but the events after his ouster completely destroyed Somalia.

I repeat sxb that if you ever took physics class in high school, which I doubt since you've being clearly taught to ignore clear logic in place of complete adherence to qabiil, that Newton's third law evidently states that For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action....In other words Siyad Barre set the course of preposterous annihilation of the state that was and no longer is the Somali Republic ..

Teyda kale iila imaw wax macquula not your blind allegiance to your qabiil...I stand above qabiil matters ..I speak the honest truth when it comes to SOMALIA ..I curse the leaders of Somaliland as much as the ones from Kismayo..I dare you stay balanced ..you just not gonna do it ..thus that's why I purposefuly called the Somali society of Siyad!s inception " savages"..

 

[Freebandz]

Lol.
SNM's objective was to liberate its regions from the Kacaan, not target non-Isaaq citizens. Provide evidence that proves SNM was targeting non-Isaaqs that weren't affiliated with the government. Like I said before, only Faqash snitches or those armed by the Faqash were targeted and killed. Any extrajudicial killing conducted by SNM soldiers were acting on their own accord, not following SNM orders. Unlike SNM, the government specifically targeted tribes. Don't believe it? Explain why Isaaq professionals in Xamar were being rounded up, imprisoned, and executed on Jazeera beach? Unless you wanna say SNM were hiding in Xamar.

As far as your claims of Gadabursis being targeted by SNM, prove it. SNM ceased to exist following the formation of Somaliland

So your denying what i said am I correct
in your your own words these criminals didn't kill innocent people am I hearing that write?

 

[menace]

Siyad built Somalia into a respected force, the ethiopian's feared us and the outside world respected us. He has done more for Somalia than any president, the guys who came after had no vision, they just wanted to sit on the chair that's it.

The iraqi's would take back Saddam in a heart beat, there isn't a leader who's not hated by 45% of the nation, that's normal.

Abdullah yusuf spent his days in some Kenyan hotel, Siad got shit done, sadly the kids wanted to play musical chairs.

This is the nonsense myth told by ignorant Somalis .." We had a great force"...dude we were a nation of 4 million in the 70s ...we had ww2 weapons donated to us ...our fighter jets were MiGs from 1950.,.our tanks were the T-1 from ww2 ...we did a stupid little incursion into Ethiopia when Ethiopia were under political chaos ...you say that " we were respected" ..bro our people always have a false pride, that's one of their bizarre attributes because it's delusional thinking ..

Do you want me to show you what the Soviet and the Americans thought of us and Siyad's regime ..,waar iska aamus

 

[HalyeeyQaran]

I repeat sxb that if you ever took physics class in high school, which I doubt since you've being clearly taught to ignore clear logic in place of complete adherence to qabiil, that Newton's third law evidently states that For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action....In other words Siyad Barre set the course of preposterous annihilation of the state that was and no longer is the Somali Republic ..

Teyda kale iila imaw wax macquula not your blind allegiance to your qabiil...I stand above qabiil matters ..I speak the honest truth when it comes to SOMALIA ..I curse the leaders of Somaliland as much as the ones from Kismayo..I dare you stay balanced ..you just not gonna do it ..thus that's why I purposefuly called the Somali society of Siyad!s inception " savages"..

Clear logic? Where's the logic in absolving the crimes of every warlord since the civil war began and placing the blame of the war solely on Siad Barre? I'm not saying this to defend Siad Barre. I disagree with many of his policies. I don't think he was the sharpest knife in the drawer but, surely, he was more intelligent than anyone who came after him. My own maternal grandfather was imprisoned for a brief period for speaking against him. None of your points were logical. My argument is very clear and I'll repeat again for you if you haven't understood the first two times. Siad Barre had absolutely nothing to do with what happened after he was deposed. It's not that difficult to understand.

 

[SuldaanMethylamine]

So your denying what i said am I correct
in your your own words these criminals didn't kill innocent people am I hearing that write?

Exactly. And if there were any soldiers who killed innocent civilians, they were going against SNM's objective

 

[Kaafiye]

Clear logic? Where's the logic in absolving the crimes of every warlord since the civil war began and placing the blame of the war solely on Siad Barre? I'm not saying this to defend Siad Barre. I disagree with many of his policies. I don't think he was the sharpest knife in the drawer but, surely, he was more intelligent than anyone who came after him. My own maternal grandfather was imprisoned for a brief period for speaking against him. None of your points were logical. My argument is very clear and I'll repeat again for you if you haven't understood the first two times. Siad Barre had absolutely nothing to do with what happened after he was deposed. It's not that difficult to understand.

No, but his argument is that Siyad Barre sowed the seeds of Somalia's self-destruction.

 

[menace]

Clear logic? Where's the logic in absolving the crimes of every warlord since the civil war began and placing the blame of the war solely on Siad Barre? I'm not saying this to defend Siad Barre. I disagree with many of his policies. I don't think he was the sharpest knife in the drawer but, surely, he was more intelligent than anyone who came after him. My own maternal grandfather was imprisoned for a brief period for speaking against him. None of your points were logical. My argument is very clear and I'll repeat again for you if you haven't understood the first two times. Siad Barre had absolutely nothing to do with what happened after he was deposed. It's not that difficult to understand.

Sxb I never said those warlords were free from crimes, crimes against and of the nation. Nooo! I am not dismissing them but let me ask you this. If you had a share in a jewelry store owned by a family member in a rough neighborhood in town and your family member has been warned by great Samaritans and yourself that y'all's establishment is under great danger from thieves and your family member dismisses y'all's concern and then soon afterwards the store is robbed and all the expensive jewelry wre wiped out would you still sit here and blame the thieves or the man the refused to heed the warning and who opened this store in a dangerous neighborhood ?

The thieves in this example are just the side affects of a major illness

 

[freeAgent]

This is the nonsense myth told by ignorant Somalis .." We had a great force"...dude we were a nation of 4 million in the 70s ...we had ww2 weapons donated to us ...our fighter jets were MiGs from 1950.,.our tanks were the T-1 from ww2 ...we did a stupid little incursion into Ethiopia when Ethiopia were under political chaos ...you say that " we were respected" ..bro our people always have a false pride, that's one of their bizarre attributes because it's delusional thinking ..

Do you want me to show you what the Soviet and the Americans thought of us and Siyad's regime ..,waar iska aamus

No one was donating shit when Siad was in office, you think America turned into world power through donation

Yes he messed up with the Ethiopian war but that wasn't the cause of our destruction.

If Siad was a Somaliland president he wouldn't be begging for recognition.

Let's keep begging for donations and recognition

 

[menace]

No one was donating shit when Siad was in office, you think America turned into world power through donation

Yes he messed up with the Ethiopian war but that wasn't of destruction.

If Siad was a Somaliland president he wouldn't be begging for recognition.

Let's keep begging for donations and recognition

I have no reason to respond to you, immediate after you said " no one donated to us" I was like coolio

Nacasnimo is real and her name is Southern

 

[HalyeeyQaran]

No, but his argument is that Siyad Barre sowed the seeds of Somalia's self-destruction.

Let's say that was the case and that Siad Barre had that much power and influence to cause that to happen. When the civil war started, most Marehan already dipped out of Mogadishu, they had a headstart. While Marehan were fleeing, Majeerteen civilians were celebrating in the streets of Mogadishu and welcomed USC, thinking that it was a victory for the Somali struggle. What happened to those very Majeerteen civilians? They were slaughtered in cold blood by USC. Siad Barre was already gone at that point. Caydiid had the chance to unite with SSDF, SNM, and SPM, but that nigga was hellbent on killing Daroods. You can't blame Siad Barre for the actions of warlords who fluffed their chance to improve Somalia.

 

[Freebandz]

Exactly. And if there were any soldiers who killed innocent civilians, they were going against SNM's objective

You know man one thing I hate about you people idk what it is about it but you all have this shitty trait of making up lies and trying to twisted into truth since you wanna be in denial about here is a gudubursi site talking about these events
http://www.awdalstateofsomalia.com/...-i-remember-waan-xasuusanahay-je-me-souviens/

It is February the 4th when we remember the SNM rampage in which they killed thousands of innocent people in every town and village in Awdal just because they belonged toGadabursi tribe.For decades now SNM and supporters have been trying to skirt the issue of apologizing for their acts or renouncing their crimes against innocent, peace loving Awdalites, especially because it is difficult and embarrassing. It is that time of the year again when we expose the criminal acts committed by the SNM to the civilized world.

And you people killing innocent people during siyaad barre days ill find the article tomorrow I remember reading it somewhere

 

[freeAgent]

I have no reason to respond to you, immediate after you said " no one donated to us" I was like coolio

Nacasnimo is real and her name is Southern

I'm surprised you restorted to this, was not expecting this from you, how the mighty has fallen.

The 70's we were house , donations kulaha, did you forget we were fresh rape victims from colonization

 

[menace]

I'm surprised you restorted to this, was not expecting this from you, how the mighty has fallen.

The 70's we were house , donations kulaha, did you forget we were fresh rape victims from colonization

Even legends are mere humans, I apologize but I urge to stop being this reckless on your narrative of Somalia of yesterday .. Any lucid thinking person knows that we were a dumbing ground for Western donations...our first national airline was an Italian plane that was outdated and was about to be decommissioned

 

[John Michael]

In somalia everyone is a victim and no one is a perpetrator. I suppose people feel if they admit someone in their clan did wrong it will lead to reprisals or likewise similar oppression.

We need to treat people as individuals, that's haqq. Using tragedies as political leverage is why I think today it is very difficult to have reconciliation. People who were victims need justice but nott at the expense of innocent people.

 

[SuldaanMethylamine]

You know man one thing I hate about you people idk what it is about it but you all have this shitty trait of making up lies and trying to twisted into truth since you wanna be in denial about here is a gudubursi site talking about these events
http://www.awdalstateofsomalia.com/...-i-remember-waan-xasuusanahay-je-me-souviens/

And you people killing innocent people during siyaad barre days ill find the article tomorrow I remember reading it somewhere

Lmao, Awdal State of Somalia? Is this the best source you could come with?

Also I googled the source of the image they used, got this lol

Habeen wanaagsan

 

[Figo]

Siyad built Somalia into a respected force, the ethiopian's feared us and the outside world respected us. He has done more for Somalia than any president, the guys who came after had no vision, they just wanted to sit on the chair that's it.

The iraqi's would take back Saddam in a heart beat, there isn't a leader who's not hated by 45% of the nation, that's normal.

Abdullah yusuf spent his days in some Kenyan hotel, Siad got shit done, sadly the kids wanted to play musical chairs.

Fuking konfurian. AY AUN did not just sit in a Kenyan hotel as you claim he did a lot for Somalia. If it wasn't for him Shabab would be ruling the country now.

AY AUN risked his life trying to make Somalia a better place. He was attacked numerous times by Shabab but it wasn't his time go.
He paved the road so nacas like qoslaye could turn the county around but he sent us back 10 years.

To say he didn't do shit is an insult to the hard work he had put in. I expect you to apologize ASAP you ungrateful konfurian.

 

[Infinity]

Egal Ibrahim

 

[freeAgent]

I find it strange everyone is civil until you mention their qabil relative, Caajib.

I was raised to speak my mind, no matter what.

On who's watch did al shabab gain strength, whilst the president said from his hotel room, we delaying these elections, and got another term for free. He risked the lives of starving people to feed his hotel bills.

Aun to the dead.

 

[Rooble]

Mengistu, the negroid