Beautuful Somali bantu & Lamagoodle couple Allahumabarik

[Chase]

The cultural/linguistic difference between Somalis, is that the further North you go, the more direct people are. In the South, people will smile in your face and stab you when you least expect it. That's the main difference. Not more or less qabiilist, just more or less direct with it.

That's why on this forum, you'll notice that some people speak in tongues, riddles and so forth, whereas other people are more direct.

Yeah, whether Isaaq, Dir or Darood, people in the North have this no nonsense approach to things, as in 'stop wasting our time' and get to it.

I wonder why the South developed that way? Cause I know the Amhara think like that too, in fact it's something claim proud of, an interesting question to ponder.

 

[Angelina]

Most Somalis literally hail from one MAN, who lived approximately 3000 years ago.
There are very few ethnic groups on earth that have this much homogeneity in terms of heritage. The only 'outliers' in Somalia are people who hail from Arabs, Bantus, Oromos, and of course, your people; MINORITIES.

The only reason why you wish to act as if Somalinimo isn't real, is because you are a Somali national, not a Somali ethnic, "Misery loves company".

Sis he’s a liar. Last time I debated with him he said Isaaqs aren’t Samaale and therefore before colonization never saw themselves as Somali. Now that I’ve pointed out that in 1850 when Burton first met Somalis it was the Isaaqs he was first in contact with and guess what they called themselves…..Somali!

The goal post is always shifting and he’ll lie, change his tactics to minimize that we are indeed a very homogeneous and interrelated ethnic group who despite being divided by clan lines have actually always saw each other as being one group: Somalis.

when I confronted him with the facts that Burton met various tribes even ones from the South and all called them Somali, this weirdo poster realized he had no leg to stand on and started talking about national identity. No one disputed that a National identity didn’t exist since we didn’t have nations but ethnic identity did and always has.

 

[Angelina]

The cultural/linguistic difference between Somalis, is that the further North you go, the more direct people are. In the South, people will smile in your face and stab you when you least expect it. That's the main difference. Not more or less qabiilist, just more or less direct with it.

That's why on this forum, you'll notice that some people speak in tongues, riddles and so forth, whereas other people are more direct.

Lol Let’s not HG have always been direct. They’re not known to smile In people’s face. They’ll fight you in broad daylight with no care in the world. They even have the stereotype of being the most savage tribe. No offense to any HG though, love you lot lol

Also I Never saw that when I went to Xamar. One of the things I struggled with the most when I was there was how people had no shame and would tell you whatever that’s on their mind rude or not the Abgaals fresh from their Meey were indeed the worst. I think traditionally though those in the city in the past may have had that attitude as growing up my mum did say that their was a sense of politeness and more of a culture of keeping things in but those lot that came after the war from their toolo don’t give a hoot

I don’t think it’s a tribal thing. A HG or an Abgaal from the Meey operates in a way in which they’ll say whatever

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Lol Let’s not HG have always been direct. They’re not known to smile In people’s face. They’ll fight you in broad daylight with no care in the world. They even have the stereotype of being the most savage tribe. No offense to any HG though, love you lot lol

HG are Central Somalis culturally and linguistically sis.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Lol Let’s not HG have always been direct. They’re not known to smile In people’s face. They’ll fight you in broad daylight with no care in the world. They even have the stereotype of being the most savage tribe. No offense to any HG though, love you lot lol

Also I Never saw that when I went to Xamar. One of the things I struggled with the most when I was there was how people had no shame and would tell you whatever that’s on their mind rude or not the Abgaals fresh from their Meey were indeed the worst. I think traditionally though those in the city in the past may have had that attitude as growing up my mum did say that their was a sense of politeness and more of a culture of keeping things in but those lot that came after the war from their toolo don’t give a hoot

I don’t think it’s a tribal thing. A HG or an Abgaal from the Meey operates in a way in which they’ll say whatever

I agree on the reer miyi vs reer magaal thing, of course, more nuance is here than North/South generalisations.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Sis he’s a liar. Last time I debated with him he said Isaaqs aren’t Samaale and therefore before colonization never saw themselves as Somali. Now that I’ve pointed out that in 1850 when Burton first met Somalis it was the Isaaqs he was first in contact with and guess what they called themselves…..Somali!

The goal post is always shifting and he’ll lie, change his tactics to minimize that we are indeed a very homogeneous and interrelated ethnic group who despite being divided by clan lines have actually always saw each other as being one group: Somalis.

when I confronted him with the facts that Burton met various tribes even ones from the South and all called them Somali, this weirdo poster realized he had no leg to stand on and started talking about national identity. No one disputed that a National identity didn’t exist since we didn’t have nations but ethnic identity did and always has.

Absolutely, I always see him lying about Somalis and I think we need to repay him, by telling the truth about his people. As Slavers of the Bantus:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...-real-history-they-are-trying-to-hide.157061/

Ethnic Somalis are either EV32 or T, and then EV32 + T have been intermarrying so heavily, for so long, that people assume T (Dir) are among the first Somalis. There are very few ethnic groups like Somalis DNA-wise, yet for whatever reason, we are very divided clan-wise. If I could go back in time, I would get rid of Nomadic culture, it's a plague.

 

[Angelina]

HG are Central Somalis culturally and linguistically sis.

They make up a lot of the South population in Xamar now. That’s why I included them. I’d go as far as saying they’re 30 to 40%. As for the Abgaals some of them are from Toolos that are more Central than Xamar and their dialect is very different to the Abgaals from Xamar and so is their mentality and many of them have come to join their more Southern Abgaal cousins from Xamar

 

[Xaawotaako]

It's odd that the kids turned out looking 100% Lamagoodle lol.

But one odd thing about Somalis back home they won't let a Somali Bantu marry their daughter. But in the west they let their daughters marry Jamaican, carribean, and all sorts of Madows who sometimes arent even Muslim.

They will discriminate against the Somali bantu who is Somali like them shares a language and a deen. It's like Allah punished them and their racism by bringing them to a land where they can't control who their daughter married. It should be a lesson for somalis back home

The reason may be that the Somali Bantus back home lived in poverty, in cariish homes. This may be due to discrimination and lack of opportunities. I think they were not allowed to attend schools as well. Shame on the Somali community.
Where us here, they are educated and often hold good jobs and are in par or even better with the Somalis when it comes to status and economic opportunities.

 

[Chase]

They make up a lot of the South population in Xamar now. That’s why I included them. I’d go as far as saying they’re 30 to 40%. As for the Abgaals some of them are from Toolos that are more Central than Xamar and their dialect is very different to the Abgaals from Xamar and so is their mentality and many of them have come to join their more Southern Abgaal cousins from Xamar

Yeah, HG basically told other Hawiye that Xamar was going to be theirs, and they actually moved the bulk of their population there under Aideed's tenure.

Buuuuuuttt...

HG are known to attack civilians, harm the elderly and use deceitful tactics/means to achieve their goals, that's not something Cumar Maxamuud are known for, even when both clans border one another and exhibit the typical Mudug hardened nature/demeanour.

 

[Khaem]

He is angry at what USC criminals did to his people in 1991 and instead of finding the crooks, who ethnically cleansed his people, raped his female counterparts and stole Banadiri houses, he is projecting his rage onto the entire Somali ethnic group.
He and his people, should file class-action lawsuits to get their 'lick' back and try to heal. I see them online a lot, I do feel sorry for them, but this empathy and pity has boundaries.

The Bantus are also trying to do the same thing; cook up alternate history, because they are angry that they were ripped from their homelands. These are poor coping mechanisms.

I'm not a southerner so I don't understand what happened to all the groups down there. South seems like a shit show where every group feels victimised.

 

[Angelina]

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Yeah, HG basically told other Hawiye that Xamar was going to be theirs, and they actually moved the bulk of their population there under Aideed's tenure.

Buuuuuuttt...

HG are known to attack civilians, harm the elderly and use deceitful tactics/means to achieve their goals, that's not something Cumar Maxamuud are known for, even when both clans border one another and exhibit the typical Mudug hard-headed demeanour.

You sound like a tribalist. I get that you’re an MJ and y’all are old sworn enemies but chill young man.

Of course your people aren’t known for that of course not biased your people are angels aren’t they lol

 

[Angelina]

I'm not a southerner so I don't understand what happened to all the groups down there. South seems like a shit show where every group feels victimised.

I’m sorry but I’ve been back home recently and they’re hardly being mistreated anymore. Everyone is living their lives trying to make money and surviving. As for real life Banadiris they’re not as crazy as this particular poster most are decent people

 

[Chase]

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You sound like a tribalist. I get that you’re an MJ and y’all are old sworn enemies but chill young man.

Of course your people aren’t known for that of course not biased your people are angels aren’t they lol

Nah a tribalist to me is someone who just hates random people on account of their clan, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Somalis aren't crazy like that, North or South.

But it's not tribalist to notice certain clans are more violent & dysfunctional than others, just saying

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

No one is talking about a national identity, Somalia become Somalia in 1960. During colonization we were British Somaliland, French Somaliland and Italian.

I am talking about national identity, you're not even concentrating on what's being said

You’re trying to change the goal post. No one is talking about a national identity but an ethnic one. Whenever we’ve debated we were always talking about a ethnic identity I find it incredibly dishonest that you’ll try and change your stance.

It shows that you’re wrong and ignorant but can’t even admit when you’re wrong

Again I'm talking about national " somali" identity, clearly it's you moving goalposts

I mention him since he mentioned all the main major Somali tribes. We’re talking about the Somali ethnic group which you tried to suggest didn’t exist before colonization. You even suggested that Isaaqs weren’t seen as Samaale when Burton spent time with them and they introduced themselves as Somalis! At the time they were at war with the Dir Isaa and they too were called Somali. They never saw the Dir Issa who are now part of Djibouti as Foreigners but as Somalis whom they were warring due to tribal issues. Read the book and you’ll see how much our historical ancestors believed in a Somali identity and its all documented so that Jahils like you have no way to spout your nonsense.

No such thing as main major Somali tribes. Isaaqs are isaaq they're not samaale it's not hard to comprehend

Digil and Mirifle aren’t the majority in the South and are no where near the majority. You’re a liar to suggest that and guess what DNA testing shows they’re not that different to Af Maxaa Somalis which shows we have the same origins

Yes they are majority in southern interior, now you're displaying your hidden cuqdad towards them. There hasn't been anywhere near enough DNA tests to come to any conclusions, big clans like the Digil and mirifle clans require larger sample sizes than darood and hawiyes. Only the ones of samaale origin have same origin for example like the hoon of hariin, reer nijaay in various clans , cawrmale in eelay and many other clans etc

I’m not talking about National identity. I’m talking about ethnic identity which is a lot older and important than that. Ogaden isn’t part of Somalia the Issas are not part of Somalia yet for centuries they were called Somali and that is what I’m talking about

No evidence of them both being called " Somali" for centuries

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Most Somalis literally hail from one MAN, who lived approximately 3000 years ago.
There are very few ethnic groups on earth that have this much homogeneity in terms of heritage. The only 'outliers' in Somalia are people who hail from Arabs, Bantus, Oromos, and of course, your people; MINORITIES.

The only reason why you wish to act as if Somalinimo isn't real, is because you are a Somali national, not a Somali ethnic, "Misery loves company".

Nope most somalis don't, there hasn't been y-dna testing on most Somalis for you to make up statistics like that on the spot, y-dna testing has showed that all that claim to be from samaale aren't even from samaale. Somalis are Heterogeneous. Are the ones descending from t-l208 minority now?

Somalinimo is an Italian invention

 

[Khaem]

I am talking about national identity, you're not even concentrating on what's being said

Again I'm talking about national " somali" identity, clearly it's you moving goalposts

No such thing as main major Somali tribes. Isaaqs are isaaq they're not samaale it's not hard to comprehend

Yes they are majority in southern interior, now you're displaying your hidden cuqdad towards them. There hasn't been anywhere near enough DNA tests to come to any conclusions, big clans like the Digil and mirifle clans require larger sample sizes than darood and hawiyes. Only the ones of samaale origin have same origin for example like the hoon of hariin, reer nijaay in various clans , cawrmale in eelay and many other clans etc

No evidence of them both being called " Somali" for centuries

We Ciise literally called ourselves somalis dumbass
500 year Kingship and we called ourselves Somali. We didn't have to explicitly state it because it's already known. The Ethiopian emperor in the 1300s named tribes he had fought in his poem. Somali were one of them.

 

[Angelina]

I am talking about national identity, you're not even concentrating on what's being said

Again I'm talking about national " somali" identity, clearly it's you moving goalposts

No such thing as main major Somali tribes. Isaaqs are isaaq they're not samaale it's not hard to comprehend

Why did they introduce themselves as Somali to Burton then why that’s years before colonization. You have no proof to your claim yet I do. They saw themselves as Somali. You’re contradicting yourself since Burton spent most of his time with people you say aren’t part of the main Somali tribes yet they’re called Somali. Why is that?

Yes they are majority in southern interior, now you're displaying your hidden cuqdad towards them. There hasn't been anywhere near enough DNA tests to come to any conclusions, big clans like the Digil and mirifle clans require larger sample sizes than darood and hawiyes. Only the ones of samaale origin have same origin for example like the hoon of hariin, reer nijaay in various clans , cawrmale in eelay and many other clans etc

No evidence of them both being called " Somali" for centuries

Are you being for real Burton met the Ogaden the Isaaqs the Issa reer Djibouti well before colonization and called them Somali and that’s what they introduced themselves as
I don’t understand how you’re saying there is no proof or evidence when we have a book from nearly two hundred years

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Bajuunis are very different from 'Banaadiris', not even comparable in the slightest. While they also have different foreign backgrounds, I don't know if they view themselves as an ethnic group, but they have a distinct cultural group and share more things in common with one another under the banner Bajuunis, than 'Banaadiris'. They speak the same language, which your people can't relate, among other things.

It is comparable, as I've explained bajunis are from bajuni coast and archipelago meanwhile banadiris are from banaadir coast. They don't view themselves as an ethnic group obviously, there's Arab Bajuni tribes, Persian Bajuni tribes, Cushitic Bajuni tribes and Bantu Bajuni tribes.

Language isn't relevant, I'm talking about the identity

As I said before, very few people go by Banaadiri while all Bajuunis identify themselves Bajunnis. And it's by design for a reason. A more relevant comparison would be Bajuuni vis a vis Barawaani.

You're waffling on the spot, majority identify by banaadiri like wise majority bajunis identify by bajuni . That's not relevant, barawa is just one town not a whole coast

How is not limited? Again, why isn't all people inhabiting the Banaadiri area referred to as 'Banaadiri'? Especially considering how it's not an ethnic group, but rather supposedly a regional identity?

All the real inhabitants from prior to colonization are referred to as banadiri from xamar to barawa including the towns in-between, I didn't say it's an ethnic group and it is a regional identity as I've already explained

Kulaha you don't decide who use it kkk. While implying that it's exclusively decided by your people. Ironically, over the years, different people have been included into your confederacy and thus become Banaadiri while others who had nothing to do with your confederations can't use it, lol. Despite ethnic Somalis having presence in the area upward of a millennium. Make it make sense.

It's not a confederacy, confederacy are like the confederacies of xamar like bandhawow, moorsho or confederacies of barawa like biida which have had different people included over the centuries which is natural . There's been families that moved from interior and joined confederacies as late as less than one hundred years ago.

The reer samaale's on the coast are all banadiri from the ones in xamarweyne and shingaani, saraha ,jilib marka, barawa

Just the term Banaadir have been used to define different geographical areas over the years. But you're not ready to comprehend this fact. You were the same person who said the Somali ethnicity doesn't exist, only territory (Somalia) with the same name, and thus anyone from there will be called Somali. Why doesn't the same apply to the Banaadiri region?

It's always had the same meaning, Italians changing it or the government after independence is irrelevant.

The same applies for banaadir region, all the banadiris are people from there. Just like Swahili

When did I talk about a national identity? Somali ethnicity =/= Somali nationality.

I'm talking about national identity

An ethnicity can exist without its national identity (such as Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia), meanwhile the Somali national identity can't exist without its ethnic majority group (such as ethnic Somalis in Somalia).

The reer samaale's in Kenya are Kenyan nationals they're equally as Kenyan as Arab tribes in Kenya, likewise Reer samaale's in Ethiopia are equally as Ethiopian as any other. Are the native Madows along shabelle in DDS now "ethnic somali" with that flawed logic?

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Why do all this mental gymnastics? The name of the 'colonial' states derived from the SOMALI ETHNICITY. Hence, why Italian-, British-, and French Somaliland were named after the ethnic majority people in those respective territories.

Even if the colonials didn't come to our shore, Somalis would still be...... Somalis. With the exception of minorities like you, who only started using the Somali identity after the establishment of the Italian colonial state.

I don't even know how nationality became relevant here, since no one was talking about it. If you want to dispute the Somali ethnicity, do a better job.

Nope not the majority, it's something colonizers decided , maybe because it was mostly reer samaale's on their side .

Southerners aren't minority, Digil and mirifle, all the jàreer tribes in the interior, banadiris and bajunis weren't identifying by "Somali" even garre, cawrmale and other samaale's amongst digil and mirifle

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

We Ciise literally called ourselves somalis dumbass
500 year Kingship and we called ourselves Somali. We didn't have to explicitly state it because it's already known. The Ethiopian emperor in the 1300s named tribes he had fought in his poem. Somali were one of them.

Were isaaq part of that tribe back then?