Sabotage? Lol the last time i checked isaaqs didn made somalis in kismayo and xamar or galmudug fight eachoter till 2021
Isaaq genocide
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I wasn’t taking about the south, I’m talking about your boarders and the disputed regions. Why not make them want to actually be in Somaliland by making it a true democracy instead of just pushing them aside and marginalizing them? Why does everything have to do with the south?Sabotage? Lol the last time i checked isaaqs didn made somalis in kismayo and xamar fight eachoter till 2021
Having the courage to fight and the wisdom to stand down is not cowardly. What's cowardly is indoctrinating your entire new generation into believing they are victims. You made an entire page about it, I've never seen a Somali Wikipedia page that long.
What courage and wisdom. You were raped and then paid by your rapist. This is grade A hooker behavior
Courage to be the first to stand up while you were Siad Barre's lackeys. And the wisdom to stand down when we were offered peace.
You on the other hand are marketing yourselves to the world as victims so you can get recognition. That's the reason you are writing a page as long as a book about it. Imagine your geeljire forefathers knowing the state you are in, it's a shame.
What happened to you lot was nothing short of Stockholm syndrome. Your people were raped and ravished and then paid by your rapist to not react but instead to be their prized victim. Don't try and add courage or wisdom to capitulation.Courage to be the first to stand up while you were Siad Barre's lackeys. And the wisdom to stand down when we were offered peace.
You on the other hand are marketing yourselves to the world as victims so you can get recognition. That's the reason you are writing a page as long as a book about it. Imagine your geeljire forefathers knowing the state you are in, it's a shame.
Here is my personal take
It will all come down to how politicians play geopolitics. So far Muse Bixii proved to be no different than his predecessors. Old dog from Siad Barre era, shortsighted, incompetent, corrupt with zero diplomatic initiative. I wasn't even sure politicians genuinely work for independent Somaliland state until Bixii refused Abiye Axmed request to land in Hargiesa with Farmajo tagging along.
Somaliland has received more international exposure in the past 3 years than they ever had before from 1991-2017. I glanced over active discussion on Yemen Twitter primarily of south Yemeni users looking up to Somaliland as a role model to break free from Northern Shia dominated Yemen. Berbera deal and the controversy it has stirred got Somaliland making the rounds on international stage. All foreign powers are scrambling to Africa (part 3) and competing for foothold in the Continent. France, China, Turkey, Gulf Arabs, Russia and more are actively competing to secure projects and trade agreement as Africa is very rich in natural resources and remain the least developed continent with promising market growth projections. Somaliland capitalizing on Scramble for Africa 3 is leaving much to be desired.
There is a lot of obstacles standing before Somaliland. Ethiopia is siding with Farmajo over Somaliland. They own a stake in Berbera but appear to distrust Gulf Arabs. Abiye Ahmed has made it clear he wants to abolish ethnic Woreda system in favor of a unitary one. He will no longer deal with Somaliland or any other federal state independently like TPLF used to. He plans to integrate Somalia with Ethiopia economically and to that end he will most likely sideline Somaliland's Berbera gateway. Eritrea normalization of relations with Ethiopia works against any possible leverage Somaliland may consolidate after Berbera corridor is complete. Assab competing for slice of Ethiopian trade will negatively impact both Berbera & Djibouti ports. Let's see how it will play out.
Somaliland has no real patrons. The relationship with Taiwan has alienated China who's influence is felt throughout Africa. For the last 30 years they failed to formulate a clear plan to obtain recognition from small, poor, corrupt African countries. Now with rising China influence the future is dim.
Their greatest selling point is practicing democratic 1m1v elections, a feat soon to become ordinary with Puntland upcoming elections. Berbera is no longer an urgent long term priority for Ethiopia's sea access with Assab becoming operational, the increase of Djibouti capacity & integration strategy with Somalia's alternative ports. I have no doubt when time comes Ethiopia will throw Somaliland under the bus.
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Courage to be the first to stand up while you were Siad Barre's lackeys. And the wisdom to stand down when we were offered peace.
You on the other hand are marketing yourselves to the world as victims so you can get recognition. That's the reason you are writing a page as long as a book about it. Imagine your geeljire forefathers knowing the state you are in, it's a shame.
The last group to ever talk about courage are members of the desert dwelling community of Puntland, known for a long history of defeats and surrender.
Your Sultan surrendering to Italians is possibly the first meme-able image in modern Somali history:
Of course it's courage, that's why SSDF rebelled first. You proceeded to hide among women and children which resulted in the obliteration of your towns. That's not courage, that's cowardice. Our sultans also fought the Italians and the Dervish, they also had the courage and wisdom to do what was right.
I kinda agree with what you say but isn't Somaliland manipulating and coercing Darood clans in eastern regions to become Landers reeks of Xasidnimo? It's like you're trying to become a benevolent democratic version of Siad Barre regime by force if necessary.
All Somalis are xassid, it is just how we're wired. I was not specifying Isaaq here. Darood & Hawiye are far worse than Isaaq holding Somalia hostage to their bitter rivalry and will never voluntarily allow Isaaq to have their own country or address Rahanweyne/minorities grievances that fuels Al Shabaab.
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The Eritrean-Ethiopian normalization happened after they signed a 30 year deal on Berbera, which is their main asset. It was the UAE that proceeded to invest in Eritrea and has constructed the road link to Assab. So it's safe to conclude UAE was working behind the scenes to reconcile Eritrea and Ethiopia so she can manage Assab port but at the same time telling Somaliland they will be the main port to rival Djibouti. To sum it up, Somaliland got the worst possible deal because it is their only asset. Ethiopia now has options. At the end of the day, you can't depend on the whims of another country.
Djibouti itself is against the rise of Berbera and IOG has spoken openly about it in a condescending manner. As you said China has a good relationship with Djibouti. They've cornered themselves due to the hatred they had for the rest of Somalia.
Your forefathers surrendered like women. Accepted money from the same people who raped your women.
SNM took weapons from Afweyne and fought, like men.
Médecins Sans Frontières medics treating the SNM were literally in awe of their bravery. Eight out of 10 gunshot wounds were frontal. Trained medical professionals specialised in high intensity, volatile war theatres being amazed at how brave SNM are only goes to further contrast what men do from what your craven forefather did in capitulation:
That's good you took bullets but you hid in towns among women and children which is why you were bombed. Why else is the MiG on display in Hargeisa?
I know it's hard for you to comprehend but people make peace. You chose to be a victim, that's not brave it's sad.
This surrendering like women after being abused and spinning it as a Win is really in their nature. This is very meme worthy for this Stockholm syndrome lot
"wE wUZ c0uRagEOus viCtumz"
#NaagNool
You guys should take over Bintiland. I think you have the potential.
Umm ... ok.
So Darood & Hawiye failure to advance Somalia's national interest somehow exonerates Isaaq from force feeding this Somaliland project on unionist Darood? They are not mutually exclusive both can exist at the same time. Isaaq are just a notch better than the other two because they genuinely want to start their own country even though it remains tribe driven project.
While Hawiye & Darood rivalry is severely detrimental to Somalia and prevent it from rising up again, they are still pursuing their tribal interest. Just like how Isaaq are pursuing their own tribal interest with Somaliland project. We are simply put xassid & cursed nation.
It's all SSDF fault they opened the door of fitna by siding with Mengistu Haile Maryam and when thousands of Somalis just lost their lives. They sided with Ethioua in 1977.
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