Isaaq genocide

[Wir]

Umm ... ok.

So Darood & Hawiye failure to advance Somalia's national interest somehow exonerates Isaaq from force feeding this Somaliland project on unionist Darood? They are not mutually exclusive both can exist at the same time. Isaaq are just a notch better than the other two because they genuinely want to start their own country even though it remains tribe driven project.

While Hawiye & Darood rivalry is severely detrimental to Somalia and prevent it from rising up again, they are still pursuing their tribal interest. Just like how Isaaq are pursuing their own tribal interest with Somaliland project. We are simply put xassid & cursed nation.

What a silly assessment

Somaliland predates Somalia and it was a recognized Country while Somalia was a UN trusteeship. A darood man who was the grand leader of darood in SL named Garaad Ali didn't want Somaliland to unite with Somalia to begin with.

That was that same tribe who In 1991 first declared Somalilands independence from the union formerly known as the Somali Republic

Unfortunately you people have a tribally motivated axe to grind with Isaaq and it results from Somalia with darood at the Helm losing in the war against Isaaq

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

Of course it's courage, that's why SSDF rebelled first. You proceeded to hide among women and children which resulted in the obliteration of your towns. That's not courage, that's cowardice. Our sultans also fought the Italians and the Dervish, they also had the courage and wisdom to do what was right.

Isaaqs were being killed in xamar and isaaqs deported from Saudi arabia were separated and executed in berbera.

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

It's all SSDF fault they opened the door of fitna by siding with Mengistu Haile Maryam and when thousands of Somalis just lost their lives. They sided with Ethioua in 1977.

Abdillahi yussuf was one of the generals in the 1977 war. Every tribe supported it including isaaq and marehan

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

That's good you took bullets but you hid in towns among women and children which is why you were bombed. Why else is the MiG on display in Hargeisa?

I know it's hard for you to comprehend but people make peace. You chose to be a victim, that's not brave it's sad.

This theory is disproved by the government soldiers bayoneting women and young children. Are they rebels. And if the government was fighting rebels why rape women and girls, what does it achieve.

 

[repo]

This theory is disproved by the government soldiers bayoneting women and young children. Are they rebels. And if the government was fighting rebels why rape women and girls, what does it achieve.

The point I am making is that there's nothing wrong with making peace especially when your opponent wants it.

 

[Kanan]

What a silly assessment

Somaliland predates Somalia and it was a recognized Country while Somalia was a UN trusteeship. A darood man who was the grand leader of darood in SL named Garaad Abdiqani didn't want Somaliland to unite with Somalia to begin with. That was that same man who In 1991 first declared Somalilands independence from the union formerly known as the Somali Republic
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Unfortunately you people have a tribally motivated axe to grind with Isaaq and it results from Somalia with darood at the Helm losing in the war against Isaaq

Like I said earlier, semantics, technical legalities & act of union constitute empty grounds for recognition. 35 countries recognize Somaliland for 5 days and they giving up the UN seat voluntarily to Somalia. South Yemen have the same historical precedent as separate country for 23 years before merging with North Yemen and have failed to restore their country since 1990.

Without a powerful patron no one is going entertain technicalities the UN made it clear that Somaliland must obtain recognition from African countries first which they failed to accomplish in the 2000s.

Lets not act like 1988 was not the catalyst for Somaliland independence drivel. SNM leadership was determinant preserving Somalia's unity but the Isaaq public upon coming back from refugee camps in Ethiopia demanded independence after USC unilateral declaration of government.

I'll concede that Dir largely gett behind Somaliland project. However lets not be oblivious to the fact SNM was the single most powerful militia operating in Somaliland at that time, the Darod pouring from south Somalia had no choice but to agree on the outcome of Burco's conference and go along with SNM. Till this day they maintain that Burco's conference was about peaceful resolution of Somaliland civil war and wish to stay part of Somalia.

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

The point I am making is that there's nothing wrong with making peace especially when your opponent wants it.

But the government didn't want peace, they planned to exterminate isaaqs in the letter of death.

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

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Like I said earlier, semantics, technical legalities & act of union constitute empty grounds for recognition. 35 countries recognize Somaliland for 5 days and they giving up the UN seat voluntarily to Somalia. South Yemen have the same historical precedent as separate country for 23 years before merging with North Yemen and have failed to restore their country since 1990.

Without a powerful patron no one is going entertain technicalities the UN made it clear that Somaliland must obtain recognition from African countries first which they failed in the 2000s.

Lets not act like 1988 was not the catalyst for Somaliland independence drivel. SNM leadership was determinant preserving Somalia's unity but the Isaaq public upon coming back from refugee camps in Ethiopia demanded independence after USC unilateral declaration of government.

I'll concede that Dir largely got behind Somaliland project. However lets not be oblivious to the fact SNM was the single most powerful militia operating in Somaliland at that time, the Darod pouring from south Somalia had no choice but to agree on the outcome of Burco's conference and go along with SNM. Till this day they maintain that Burco's conference was about peaceful resolution of Somaliland civil war and wish to stay part of Somalia.

There was no act of union signed in 1960 so it was illegal .

 

[repo]

But the government didn't want peace, they planned to exterminate isaaqs in the letter of death.

What's that?

 

[TabK]

The point I am making is that there's nothing wrong with making peace especially when your opponent wants it.

You are simply trying to repackage your shameful surrender.

No other liberation group did what your SSDF did.

Men fight and achieve their objectives. Your SSDF took money in exchange for your women being raped.

The height of gunnimo.

 

[Wir]

Like I said earlier, semantics, technical legalities & act of union constitute empty grounds for recognition. 35 countries recognize Somaliland for 5 days and they giving up the UN seat voluntarily to Somalia. South Yemen have the same historical precedent as separate country for 23 years before merging with North Yemen and have failed to restore their country since 1990.

Without a powerful patron no one is going entertain technicalities the UN made it clear that Somaliland must obtain recognition from African countries first which they failed to accomplish in the 2000s.

Lets not act like 1988 was not the catalyst for Somaliland independence drivel. SNM leadership was determinant preserving Somalia's unity but the Isaaq public upon coming back from refugee camps in Ethiopia demanded independence after USC unilateral declaration of government.

I'll concede that Dir largely gett behind Somaliland project. However lets not be oblivious to the fact SNM was the single most powerful militia operating in Somaliland at that time, the Darod pouring from south Somalia had no choice but to agree on the outcome of Burco's conference and go along with SNM. Till this day they maintain that Burco's conference was about peaceful resolution of Somaliland civil war and wish to stay part of Somalia.

I bring my POV backed by irrefutable sources and you bring your tribally motivated opinion. We're not the same

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

What's that?

It's a letter morgan sent to siad barre to try to crush the SNM and the isaaqs to "Prevent them from raising their heads again"

 

[repo]

You are simply trying to repackage your shameful surrender.

No other liberation group did what your SSDF did.

Men fight and achieve their objectives. Your SSDF took money in exchange for your women being raped.

The height of gunnimo.

What we took was peace after war. That's why you don't see us talking about being victims 30 years later. You are the victim according to Wikipedia.

That's a whole generation of victimhood you have established for yourselves. Any sane individual would either laugh or pity you.

 

[Kanan]

Your personal take is flawed. Just 2 days ago the Ethiopian government was discussing building a railway to Berbera to make Berbera a primary port for Ethiopian trade. Somalia is terror infested with darood using foreign troops against each other and

Good point.


Abiye wants central system in Ethiopia. Farmajo (covertly) wants central system in Somalia. They both want the same thing and I very much doubt he'll go against a close alley in favour of breakaway Somaliland.

Ethiopia is dangerously dependent on Djibouti, the importance of Berbera may override Ethiopia's relations with Somalia but they will certainly apply pressure on Somalilad to engage with Somalia. Assab coming online will also impact Berbera. Long term it does not look good to Somaliland.

 

[Kanan]

I bring my POV backed by irrefutable sources and you bring your tribally motivated opinion. We're not the same

You know it is true, I've read it from several academic sources including APD. You may have skillfully manipulate large section of Darod into Somaliland project by force and coercion but it remains unethical and reeks of greed/xassidnimo.

 

[Wir]

Good point.


Abiye wants central system in Ethiopia. Farmajo (covertly) wants central system in Somalia. They both want the same thing and I very much doubt he'll go against a close alley in favour of breakaway Somaliland.

Ethiopia is dangerously dependent on Djibouti, the importance of Berbera may override Ethiopia's relations with Somalia but they will certainly apply pressure on Somalilad to engage with Somalia. Assab coming online will also impact Berbera. Long term it does not look good to Somaliland.

Ethiopia was betting on TPLF being squashed. It didn't happen. Somalia was betting on Ethiopia succeeding, it didn't happen. Ethiopia will always be dependent on Berbera and Djbouti and this dependency grows now that our facilities are state of the art. Somalia is the only loser as it has no plan B and it soured relations with a decent neighbor, kenya

 

[Wir]

You know it is true, I've read it from several academic sources including APD. You may have skillfully manipulate large section of Darod into Somaliland project by force and correction but it remains unethical and reeks of greed.

It would have been unethical if we steam rolled Darood in 1991 when we had all the chips in our hands but that didn't happen. We're not like you. We show mercy to our weak. Somaliland is inclusive and that's why the majority of darood in Somaliland support it along with Dir. The angry ones are the ones that cant get over the defeat of the Kacaan. It's hard for them to digest that after using the state apparatus and garnering support from other somalis through "somalinimo" to wage a tribal war against Isaaq, that Isaaq came out on top. Took out the Kacaan government, an entire tribe that led and supported that govt, and many other sub clan militias. Once that reality sinks in they eventually accept the inevitable, Somaliland

 

[Kanan]

Ethiopia was betting on TPLF being squashed. It didn't happen. Somalia was betting on Ethiopia succeeding, it didn't happen. Ethiopia will always be dependent on Berbera and Djbouti and this dependency grows now that our facilities are state of the art. Somalia is the only loser as it has no plan B and it soured relations with a decent neighbor, kenya

TPLF are confined to remote mountainous area away from vital commercial links with the coast. Ethiopia is in stronger position than TPLF. Eventually Ethiopia will go through legal channels in Mogadishu to advance Berbera corridor and possibly pay percentage of fees to the FGS. All roads lead to Mogadishu.


Kenya is just using Somaliland as emotional tampon to piss off FGS and discard you later. They will never recognize Somaliland, even when they lose maritime border dispute with Somalia.

 

[Wir]

What we took was peace after war. That's why you don't see us talking about being victims 30 years later. You are the victim according to Wikipedia.

That's a whole generation of victimhood you have established for yourselves. Any sane individual would either laugh or pity you.

You're capping with this victim word to scapegoat what happened.

You were taped, raped, and coerced to work for your tormentor. This is the epitome of a victim. Don't try and spin it as if you met on equal footing to make a deal. This is Stockholm syndrome and you're trying to save face

 

[Wir]

TPLF are confined to remote mountainous area away from vital commercial links with the coast. Ethiopia is in stronger position than TPLF. Eventually Ethiopia will go through legal channels in Mogadishu to advance Berbera corridor and possibly pay percentage of fees to the FGS. All roads lead to Mogadishu.


Kenya is just using Somaliland as emotional tampon to piss off FGS and discard you later. They will never recognize Somaliland, even when they lose maritime border dispute with Somalia.

Somalia is cornered mate. It has created hostile neighbors and is internally it's a ticking time bomb. From Puntland to the furthest point south there are terrorist attacks which are in actuality tribes rebranding their warlord nature. To think mogadishu has any jurisdiction in Berbera shows your delusion. I support such delusions because we're always in your blindside