Isaaq genocide

[Kanan]

It would have been unethical if we steam rolled Darood in 1991 when we had all the chips in our hands but that didn't happen. We're not like you. We show mercy to our weak. Somaliland is inclusive and that's why the majority of darood in Somaliland support it along with Dir. The angry ones are the ones that cant get over the defeat of the Kacaan. It's hard for them to digest that after using the state apparatus and garnering support from other somalis through "somalinimo" to wage a tribal war against Isaaq, that Isaaq came out on top. Took out the Kacaan government, an entire tribe that led and supported that govt, and many other sub clan militias. Once that reality sinks in they eventually accept the inevitable, Somaliland

It is a commendable act that your inspiration for a sovereign state override urge for revenge.
Good for you not massacring innocent civilians but don't get it over your head that they own you anything or obligated to join Somaliland with threat of violence.

It is still unethical to force a system on people who reject Somaliland project at large.

 

[Kanan]

Somalia is cornered mate. It has created hostile neighbors and is internally it's a ticking time bomb. From Puntland to the furthest point south there are terrorist attacks which are in actuality tribes rebranding their warlord nature. To think mogadishu has any jurisdiction in Berbera shows your delusion. I support such delusions because we're always in your blindside

Obviously Mogadishu is in no position to talk about Berbera and unlikely to physically control it anytime soon. However, it still hold legal powers as FGS and I'm positive Abiye Ahmed will respect this arrangement.

 

[repo]

You're capping with this victim word to scapegoat what happened.

You were taped, raped, and coerced to work for your tormentor. This is the epitome of a victim. Don't try and spin it as if you met on equal footing to make a deal. This is Stockholm syndrome and you're trying to save face

Lol, are you fucking serious. You literally have a Wikipedia page about how you were genocided and you are trying to project victimhood on to others?

Siad Barre offered peace, it was the wise thing to accept. I know this is hard for you to accept because you will inevitably come to the conclusion that rebellion was not worth those 200,000 lives it says on Wikipedia.

 

[Wir]

It is a commendable act that your inspiration for a sovereign state override urge for revenge.
Good for you not massacring innocent civilians but don't get it over your head that they own you anything or obligated to join Somaliland with threat of violence.

It is still unethical to force a system on people who reject Somaliland project at large.

I never said anyone owes anyone anything but we are holding them to their original stance which was Somaliland independence


"It is still unethical to force a system on people who reject Somaliland project at large."

Theres no force or else there would be corpses everywhere, which is very easy for Somaliland. I find this statement very ironical given the fact that you support Somailand to be under Somalia although we reject it. Perhaps you should hold yourself to this same standard

 

[TabK]

What we took was peace after war. That's why you don't see us talking about being victims 30 years later. You are the victim according to Wikipedia.

That's a whole generation of victimhood you have established for yourselves. Any sane individual would either laugh or pity you.

There was no war.

Name a single successful operation by the cowardly SSDF?

And I do not mean their shameful assistance of Ethiopians in occupying Goldogob and Balanbale.

SSDF were ineffective militarily, and surrendered like cowards. A shameful mole on the landscape of rebellion movements.

 

[Wir]

Lol, are you fucking serious. You literally have a Wikipedia page about how you were genocided and you are trying to project victimhood on to others?

Siad Barre offered peace, it was the wise thing to accept. I know this is hard for you to accept because you will inevitably come to the conclusion that rebellion was not worth those 200,000 lives it says on Wikipedia.

So recording history is victimhood? What a dumb POV. Had we lost the war and came under the Kacaan it would've been such. But all our goals were met

Siad Barre didn't just offer a deal to SSDF. He raped and coerced your people to be under his rule. Like I said, stop acting like two men met on equal grounds. One was on top while the other(SSDF) was on her back. A victim who compromises with her captor is still a victim. Stockholm syndrome makes you think otherwise

 

[TabK]

Still waiting for a single successful operation by the cowardly SSDF.

The deranged desert dweller is probably going to name the shameful surrender to Afweyne as SSDF's most successful operation.

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

Lol, are you fucking serious. You literally have a Wikipedia page about how you were genocided and you are trying to project victimhood on to others?

Siad Barre offered peace, it was the wise thing to accept. I know this is hard for you to accept because you will inevitably come to the conclusion that rebellion was not worth those 200,000 lives it says on Wikipedia.

When did he offer peace, during his visit in march 1988 he disrespected our elders and signed a tratiorous peace deal with mengistu giving up Galbeed in exchange of Ethiopia chucking out the SNM.

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

This story happened in burco. During

Lol, are you fucking serious. You literally have a Wikipedia page about how you were genocided and you are trying to project victimhood on to others?

Siad Barre offered peace, it was the wise thing to accept. I know this is hard for you to accept because you will inevitably come to the conclusion that rebellion was not worth those 200,000 lives it says on Wikipedia.

At 2:50 minutes In the video notice the top generals giving orders to "allow no life" and to destroy whole villages.

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

 

[The Camels of Cal madow]

some of you reer henny might recognize the second documentary

 

[Abba Sadacha]

Oromos were majority in his regime.

Not exactly sir. It mainly benefited the southern oromo farmer's, meaning his policies, because it pretty much took the power away from the amara elite landowners who were extorting and harming the oromo and other farmers in the south.
but his regime, itself, was more amara than anything. he honestly killed everyone, without discriminating, lol everyone got it, amara, oromo, somali, etc.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Not exactly sir. It mainly benefited the southern oromo farmer's, meaning his policies, because it pretty much took the power away from the amara elite landowners who were extorting and harming the oromo and other farmers in the south.
but his regime, itself, was more amara than anything. he honestly killed everyone, without discriminating, lol everyone got it, amara, oromo, somali, etc.

Somalis were worse off because of the 1977 war which was a mistake in the first place.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

Somalis were worse off because of the 1977 war which was a mistake in the first place.

To be fair, and I am not the biggest fan of siad barre, but he was under heavy pressure from the ogadeni politicians in his government, and from those who came from Ethiopia.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

To be fair, and I am not the biggest fan of siad barre, but he was under heavy pressure from the ogadeni politicians in his government, and from those who came from Ethiopia.

Naah Ogaden politicians were against the war even Makhtal dahir one of the founders of WSLF and who was jailed for years by Haile Selasie adviced against this war.
Siyad Barre Ignored him and other Ogadens who were for assisting rebel groups in the region instead of full govt intervention that will see Somalia invading a.country rather than Rebel groups fighting for freedom and inclusion.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

Naah Ogaden politicians were against the war even Makhtal dahir one of the founders of WSLF and who was jailed for years by Haile Selasie adviced against this war.
Siyad Barre Ignored him and other Ogadens who were for assisting rebel groups in the region instead of full govt intervention that will see Somalia invading a.country rather than Rebel groups fighting for freedom and inclusion.

Some may have been, but from what I read and saw, that was not the case.
Also, let's be honest, without direct involvement of the SNA, the rebels would have eventually lost.

 

[Jiron]

AUN seeing stuff like this always makes me sad, that period of time was the worse era for our people, may god have mercy on all those innocent people whose lives were cut short.

 

[AbdiS]

I swear there has to be at least one Isaaq Genocide thread once a month.

Needless to say, AUN to all the innocents who were brutally murdered.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Some may have been, but from what I read and saw, that was not the case.
Also, let's be honest, without direct involvement of the SNA, the rebels would have eventually lost.

Nah
Becausr mengistu was weak and every part of Ethiopia was under rebellion Eritreans,Oromos,Tigrayans,Somalis etc even amhara were waiting for opportnuity.

Wslf was well organised and had bogged down ENDF.
Its this 77 war that increased the lifespan of mengustu because he got sympathy from International community.

 

[Kanan]

I never said anyone owes anyone anything but we are holding them to their original stance which was Somaliland independence

Which again traces back to forced agreement of Burco 1991 in exchange for peace. You are free to leave and make your own country but don't impose it on non Isaaq clans living in the area or turns them against each others to reign supreme.

What went wrong with Somaliland? It has turn into a failed, disorganized, soft democratic version of EPLF. Eritrea was in the very same spot as Somaliland in early 1990s. The only difference is they accepted their reality as part of Ethiopia and worked with TPLF to secure a referendum. In the spur of the moment SNM unilaterally declared independence in 1991 without working with USC on UN based referendum.

Somaliland did not earn its independence like Eritrea, it was handed to them on silver plate in 1960 and that's why they failed to capitalize on it during union. Eritrea went through 50 years of hell under Amhara dictators and the moment they found a chance they held on it for dear life played their cards right.


Asias Afwerki conceded to wait 3 years for referendum to get his country back. Abdirahman Tur naively declared independence without a mandate from dominant USC government in Mogadishu.

Instead of working with USC to stabilize Mogadishu and hold a referendum, SNM devolved into low intensity civil war from 1994-1997 and than willingly isolated itself from Mogadishu's seat of power.