Joe Rogan talks about inbreeding in the U.K

[AraragiKoyomi]

True, but not any smaller than the risk of inbreeding and really cousin marriage isn't totally alien to somalis.

Good that it isnt prevalent

 

[SaMale]

Good that it isnt prevalent

I mean if it was it would have been more bad then good. However I have seen many little anecdotes of people attempting to attribute, albeit theoretically je genius of the jews due to them being forced and forcing themselves to only marry within themselves and often family.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

I mean if it was it would have been more bad then good. However I have seen many little anecdotes of people attempting to attribute, albeit theoretically je genius of the jews due to them being forced and forcing themselves to only marry within themselves and often family.

Hypothesis are based on established truth. Yours is just a hunch. Unless I see something that could back your hypothesis.

Then I totally reject your notion that there is some good to it.

"the Ashkenazi Jewish population is genetically more diverse than people of European descent,"
Source: https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/911814

 

[SaMale]

Hypothesis are based on established truth. Yours is just a hunch. Unless I see something that could back your hypothesis.

Then I totally reject your notion that there is some good to it.

"the Ashkenazi Jewish population is genetically more diverse than people of European descent,"
Source: https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/911814

A hypothesis is an assumption, an idea that is proposed for the sake of argument so that it can be tested to see if it might be true.

Traditionally jews have a had a reputation to be a more closeted group in terms of marriage. I know that today they don't. But I'm using anecdotes from the past hence I'm using the words hypothesis and anecdotes.

 

[Tiyeglow]

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[AraragiKoyomi]

A hypothesis is an assumption, an idea that is proposed for the sake of argument so that it can be tested to see if it might be true.

Traditionally jews have a had a reputation to be a more closeted group in terms of marriage. I know that today they don't. But I'm using anecdotes from the past hence I'm using the words hypothesis and anecdotes.

I feel like you are downplaying the risk that comes with cousin marriages and trying to pass your hypothesis as something factual when you write

"I mean if it was it would have been more bad then good."

There is proof that cousin marriages comes with risk of hereditary diseases but wether there is something good about it is your own unproven hypothesis of yours so to say

"I mean if it was it would have been more bad then good."
As if its factual there may be something good in cousin marriages is wrong.

 

[Gacmeey]

I feel like you are downplaying the risk that comes with cousin marriages and trying to pass your hypothesis as something factual when you write

"I mean if it was it would have been more bad then good."

There is proof that cousin marriages comes with risk of hereditary diseases but wether there is something good about it is your own unproven hypothesis of yours so to say

"I mean if it was it would have been more bad then good."
As if its factual there may be something good in cousin marriages is wrong.

Having a marriage comes with risk of hereditary disease in of itself. First cousin marriage only has a risk of 4-6% whilst second cousin marriages are negligible since it’s about the same risk (2-3%) that non-cousin couples have. The issue is with multi-generational cousin marriage

It’s fine if you have completely assimilated with modern western culture and see cousin marriage as taboo, but there is no need to enforce that on us and shoe horn it by overstating the risk

 

[Abdirazaq]

Just because your male cousins are not your mahrem, doesn't mean you should marry them. I always saw it as a way to protect women (covering up, not being alone with males), not a guidance on who to marry.

If cousins want to get married they can, the prophet Muhammed (SAWS) married his cousin, I'm not saying its Sunnah to marry your cousin but at the same time I don't agree with your view that people shouldn't marry their cousins.

 

[Abdirazaq]

I consider people who marry their first cousin to be their mahrem (genetically speaking) look how close they are even if they’re not siblings.

This is a kufr statement and goes directly against the Quran.

 

[Khanderson]

This is a kufr statement and goes directly against the Quran.

I’m not Muslim saxib. However I’m strictly against inbreeding. Don’t think inbreeding is common in our communities. But they are people who’ve marry their cousins in order to connect to their sub, sub, sub, sub clans. anyways compare to other Muslim communities I believe ours is pretty low.

 

[Gacmeey]

I consider people who marry their first cousin to be their mahrem (genetically speaking) look how close they are even if they’re not siblings.

They share about 12.5% of the same DNA…

 

[Khanderson]

They share about 12.5% of the same DNA…

That’s pretty bad regardless considering the similarities of our genetic makeups when we’re marrying within our sub subs clan. first marriage can go up to 13% higher. The issue is: because Somalis marry within their clans is not necessarily a good idea to marry your first cousin which can lead to genetic deformities.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Having a marriage comes with risk of hereditary disease in of itself. First cousin marriage only has a risk of 4-6% whilst second cousin marriages are negligible since it’s about the same risk (2-3%) that non-cousin couples have. The issue is with multi-generational cousin marriage

It’s fine if you have completely assimilated with modern western culture and see cousin marriage as taboo, but there is no need to enforce that on us and shoe horn it by overstating the risk

Huh? Havent you read the thread. First cousin marriage is taboo in our culture and not recommend in Islam. So what western culture am I pushing. Y'all defending cousin marriage with your life.

 

[Gacmeey]

Huh? Havent you read the thread. First cousin marriage is taboo in our culture and not recommend in Islam. So what western culture am I pushing. Y'all defending cousin marriage with your life.

Taboo in which culture again? Have you ever been to Somalia

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Taboo in which culture again? Have you ever been to Somalia

Idk what you community you from but never heard of first cousins marrying each other.

Also "its prevalent in Somalia" isnt an argument for continuing with this bad practice. You want to make us more incompetent, stupid and ugly? Ethnic Somalis need to mix. Go find a woman from another gobol. Your cousin cant be that pretty for you to defend first cousin marriage with your life

 

[Gacmeey]

That’s pretty bad regardless considering the similarities of our genetic makeups when we’re marrying within our sub subs clan. first marriage can go up to 13% higher. The issue is: because Somalis marry within their clans is not necessarily a good idea to marry your first cousin which can lead to genetic deformities.

I don’t think marrying with in a sub sub clan is too bad. The genetic diversity within that clan always increases since there is a healthy amount of marrying from other clans. You might marry your cousin but your son will probably marry from another clan decreasing the already low risk. Plus, there really is no tradition or widespread multi-generational cousin inbreeding which the main problem

 

[Avalanche]

Idk what you community you from but never heard of first cousins marrying each other.

Also "its prevalent in Somalia" isnt an argument for continuing with this bad practice. You want to make us more incompetent, stupid and ugly? Ethnic Somalis need to mix. Go find a woman from another gobol. Your cousin cant be that pretty for you to defend first cousin marriage with your life

Don’t argue with this guy, he wants his kid to be retarded

 

[Gacmeey]

Idk what you community you from but never heard of first cousins marrying each other.

Also "its prevalent in Somalia" isnt an argument for continuing with this bad practice. You want to make us more incompetent, stupid and ugly? Ethnic Somalis need to mix. Go find a woman from another gobol. Your cousin cant be that pretty for you to defend first cousin marriage with your life

Every thing you have stated about first cousin marriage is completely non-factual…

It’s “prevalent in Somalia” was a counter to your claim that it is somehow taboo in our culture. I don’t dispute we need to mix but that’s no reason to demonise a one off first cousin marriage

 

[Internet Nomad]

Cousin marriage is permissible in Islam however continuous cousins marriage is discouraged by the great scholars as it can lead to deformity's and its considered bad adaab. Here is the perspective of the madhab of somalis shafi'i

Imam ash-Shafi’ee (may Allah have mercy upon him) said:

لَيْسَ مِنْ قَوْمٍ لا يُخْرِجُونَ نِسَاءَهُمْ إِلَى رِجَالِ غَيْرِهِمْ فِي التَّزْوِيجِ ، وَلا رِجَالَهُمْ إِلَى نِسَاءِ غَيْرِهِمْ فِي التَّزْوِيجِ ، إِلا جَاءَ أَوْلادُهُمْ حَمْقَى

“There is not a group of people who do not bring forth their women to marry men other than their own men, nor do their men go forth to marry women other than their own, except their children will be fools (i.e. born with a mental defect)” [Adaab ash-Shaafi’ee wa Manaaqibuhu (pg. 99) with a Saheeh chain of narration]

Imam al-Maawardi (may Allah have mercy upon him) said: “They (i.e. the Arab) used to choose or the likes of this situation marrying those who are distantly related and are strangers (to each other). They saw that this is more conducive for childbirth and excellent for the creation (of a newborn). They used to avoid marrying family and relatives. They saw that it was harmful for the creation of the child and its birth” End translation. [Adab ad-Dunya wad-Deen (pg. 173)]

Our ancestors had a taboo on cousin marriage until recently.

@Gacmeey your wrong on both accounts religious and cultural so just take the L ands stop promoting cousin marriages.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Every thing you have stated about first cousin marriage is completely non-factual…

It’s “prevalent in Somalia” was a counter to your claim that it is somehow taboo in our culture. I don’t dispute we need to mix but that’s no reason to demonise a one off first cousin marriage

If your parents are related or your grand parents. Then it isnt one off.