Musa gives Ethiopia a port and a military base on the Gulf of Aden. It's over

[Three Moons]

Somalis and Egos
Something nobody will be able to separate Somalis from.

Yep, HSM is now willing to legitimise SSC and Awdal in the Federal system. We need to shame the clans from now on. If any FMS meets with Abiy, make sure their clans take the reputational hit

 

[Mayor]

No they haven’t, we shouldn’t have joined in the first place. Can’t believe I was excited about the economical prospects of this union.

I always thought this was dumb. How could we unite with our neighbors when our country still isn’t united?

I think the EAC was done so our elites can continue to invest their money in Kenya, Tanzania, and Rwanda but with more legal protections

 

[Three Moons]

During this whole fight with Ethiopia, have any of the EAC countries supported us publicly?

That whole bloc is in shambles. Tanzania blocked Kenya Airways, Rwanda has killed Congolese soldiers, Uganda is suing Kenya, Burundi has closed its borders with Rwanda, the Congolese president has called Kagame the next Hitler and wants war. They have their hands full.

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[seldiboy]

Abiy knows he is a joke

 

[seldiboy]

Think it's safe to say that the deal is a pipedream now. Diplomatic disaster class from Abiy. His window of opportunity is dwindling fast and the authorities in SL have been undermined big time.

 

[Sup]

Think it's safe to say that the deal is a pipedream now. Diplomatic disaster class from Abiy. His window of opportunity is dwindling fast and the authorities in SL have been undermined big time.

The deal is most differently dead. Do you thing he’ll ever turn his eye to Eritrea ?

 

[GaradShabeel]

The oohin continues at the global stage

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

The oohin continues at the global stage

Botswana, Switzerland, Eswatini, Austria,Chad,Niger etc are all landlocked


Did we hear Eswatini or Botswana complain about their port?

 

[Three Moons]

Osman Saleh is not even hiding his joy and rubbing it in lmao look at their faces. Abiy made a move and it blew up in his face. His second option of taking Assab is as dead as Russia taking Alaska.

 

[Avalanche]

The oohin continues at the global stage

They truly believe it is a human right to have a coastline.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Botswana, Switzerland, Eswatini, Austria,Chad,Niger etc are all landlocked


Did we hear Eswatini or Botswana complain about their port?

The arrogance of Ethiopians are truly unmatched. There's no other way to explain it.

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

The arrogance of Ethiopians are truly unmatched. There's no other way to explain it.

I'm getting sick of Ethiopians wallahi

 

[GaradShabeel]

I'm getting sick of Ethiopians wallahi

You're lucky that you ain't have to deal with them! #DDS

 

[seldiboy]

The deal is most differently dead. Do you thing he’ll ever turn his eye to Eritrea ?

With certainty, but the reasoning behind it is beyond mere utilitarianism. It's rooted in classical Ethiopian irredentism. It's important to note that Eritrea never denied Ethiopia access to Assab. It was the Ethiopian's who decided to boycott the use of Eritrean ports after the border war because it would "hurt Eritrea more than it benefits Ethiopia". Even after the war, Eritrea has repeatedly reiterated that both Massawa and Assab were free ports to anyone willing to use them. The problem is that Ethiopia (and Western countries) view Eritrean independence as just a historical aberration that will soon correct itself. They've always misinterpreted the situation on the ground by holding the belief that Eritrea and Ethiopia are just two brotherly countries having a temporary conflict. This is oblivious to the reality of how much the two countries have diverged and the amount of anti-Ethiopia sentiment that has been fomenting within Eritrea (ignore the naive "habesha" bromance that you see in the diaspora). Amharic music was banned in Eritrea for two decades preceding the 2018 peace deal ffs. It's why the "one people, two countries" approach that both Ethiopia and Western powers have adopted towards Eritrea has always been destined to fail. In a vacuum, Ethiopian utilisation of Eritrean ports would be a win-win. Ethiopia would alleviate a huge sum from their domestic budget and Eritrea would have a huge revenue stream.

But the underlying issue is HOW that can be achieved. The fact that Abiy hinted at the possibly of a CONFEDERATION with Eritrea during his first "Red Sea" speech was bound to anger Eritrea|ns. Confederation and then unity has always been the ambition of Ethiopia|ns towards Eritrea. At first, this was attempted by enticing Eritrea through economic incentives. Before the deportations in 1998, Eritreans had a crazily disproportionate hand in the Ethiopian economy. Addis Ababa was their playground. Eritreans in Ethiopia were like Indians in Uganda. When war broke out in 1998, the policy went from incentivising confederation, to trying to force it through military means. When they failed in their objective of regime change in 2000, the EPRDF decided to park all their heavy weaponry on the northern border and force Eritrea into a North Korean-esque hyper militarism with the aim of depopulating and demolarising the Eritrean populace into accepting unity with Ethiopia. That however had the opposite effect to what was intended (of which we saw the effects in 2020).

Abiy knows he can't just take Assab without taking Asmara (and Eritrea with it) nor does he want to. There's nothing stopping Eritrea just sabotaging Assab and making it economically unviable as a port. What ship is going to be insured to dock in Assab if there's rockets flying there daily? We've seen how much of a joke the ENDF is in Tigray. And we're also seeing in real time the diplomatic goodwill the trust fund babies of Africa had crumbling in a matter of weeks.

That's why Abiy is now throwing Hail Mary's by negotiating with paper states. So to answer your question, Ethiopia has always had their eyes on Eritrea. However we will need to see if there still is an "Ethiopia" in the coming years and decades to turn that intent into action

 

[Abdisamad]

Yet Pan Africanists worship them. That midget Selasie’s been dead almost 50 yrs and his propoganda still works

I shit on panafricanism, never did shit for us and never will do.

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

I shit on panafricanism, never did shit for us and never will do.

And it never will as long as Pan-Africanism supports Ethiopian colonizers(Haile Selassie/Menelik II) we should ban this ideology from the country.

 

[Abdisamad]

With certainty, but the reasoning behind it is beyond mere utilitarianism. It's rooted in classical Ethiopian irredentism. It's important to note that Eritrea never denied Ethiopia access to Assab. It was the Ethiopian's who decided to boycott the use of Eritrean ports after the border war because it would "hurt Eritrea more than it benefits Ethiopia". Even after the war, Eritrea has repeatedly reiterated that both Massawa and Assab were free ports to anyone willing to use them. The problem is that Ethiopia (and Western countries) view Eritrean independence as just a historical aberration that will soon correct itself. They've always misinterpreted the situation on the ground by holding the belief that Eritrea and Ethiopia are just two brotherly countries having a temporary conflict. This is oblivious to the reality of how much the two countries have diverged and the amount of anti-Ethiopia sentiment that has been fomenting within Eritrea (ignore the naive "habesha" bromance that you see in the diaspora). Amharic music was banned in Eritrea for two decades preceding the 2018 peace deal ffs. It's why the "one people, two countries" approach that both Ethiopia and Western powers have adopted towards Eritrea has always been destined to fail. In a vacuum, Ethiopian utilisation of Eritrean ports would be a win-win. Ethiopia would alleviate a huge sum from their domestic budget and Eritrea would have a huge revenue stream.

But the underlying issue is HOW that can be achieved. The fact that Abiy hinted at the possibly of a CONFEDERATION with Eritrea during his first "Red Sea" speech was bound to anger Eritrea|ns. Confederation and then unity has always been the ambition of Ethiopia|ns towards Eritrea. At first, this was attempted by enticing Eritrea through economic incentives. Before the deportations in 1998, Eritreans had a crazily disproportionate hand in the Ethiopian economy. Addis Ababa was their playground. Eritreans in Ethiopia were like Indians in Uganda. When war broke out in 1998, the policy went from incentivising confederation, to trying to force it through military means. When they failed in their objective of regime change in 2000, the EPRDF decided to park all their heavy weaponry on the northern border and force Eritrea into a North Korean-esque hyper militarism with the aim of depopulating and demolarising the Eritrean populace into accepting unity with Ethiopia. That however had the opposite effect to what was intended (of which we saw the effects in 2020).

Abiy knows he can't just take Assab without taking Asmara (and Eritrea with it) nor does he want to. There's nothing stopping Eritrea just sabotaging Assab and making it economically unviable as a port. What ship is going to be insured to dock in Assab if there's rockets flying there daily? We've seen how much of a joke the ENDF is in Tigray. And we're also seeing in real time the diplomatic goodwill the trust fund babies of Africa had crumbling in a matter of weeks.

That's why Abiy is now throwing Hail Mary's by negotiating with paper states. So to answer your question, Ethiopia has always had their eyes on Eritrea. However we will need to see if there still is an "Ethiopia" in the coming years and decades to turn that intent into action

Ethiopia seems to have alot on its plates it seems at the moment with the raging insurgency in the country.. Do you know why Eritrea joined to help them contain the tigre rebels? Are they more of a threat to Eritrea than abiyes regime?

 

[Abdisamad]

And it never will as long as Pan-Africanism supports Ethiopian colonizers(Haile Selassie/Menelik II) we should ban this ideology from the country.

I think they'll always consider us as less of Africans due to our religion and culture which is more closer to the middle east compared to so called indiginous africans.

 

[seldiboy]

Ethiopia seems to have alot on its plates it seems at the moment with the raging insurgency in the country.. Do you know why Eritrea joined to help them contain the tigre rebels? Are they more of a threat to Eritrea than abiyes regime?

I probably need to preface this by stating the fact that the only truly Ethiopianist ethnic groups in Ethiopia are the Amhara and all the small micro groups that cannot hope to fend for themselves without the existence of "Ethiopia". The rest like the Tigrayans (TPLF), Oromos (Prosperity|Poverty Party/Abiy Ahmed) etc are just opportunists looking to enrich themselves. Ethiopia is just a cash cow waiting to be milked.

That being said, a Tigrayan administration (or more specifically a TPLF administration) adds a more dangerous complexity to the Eritrea-Ethiopia feud. The Tigrayans are staunch ethnonationalists. Their plan has always been to stuff their pockets full of cash and develop their kilil and when the time is right: secede and join their "Tigrayan brothers" to the north. To them, Eritrea is simply a Tigrayan state (even though the Kebessa have never identified as Tigrayans in history) where they can simply join at the drop of a hat and supplant Tigrayan hegemony. The issue is that this sentiment is not reciprocated at all. It is very much an unrequited love affair. Eritrean civic nationalism and Tigrayan ethnonationalism are two irreconcilable philosophies. The only way to destroy the former is to tear apart the social fabric in Eritrea that transcends ethnic groups. That's why when Ethiopia was under TPLF administration, they hosted and funded a number of Eritrean ethnic militias (RSADO, DMLEK, SPDM etc). They have been trying to awaken an "Tigrayan ethnic consciousness" within the Tigrinya of Eritrea that simply doesn't exist. It also why during the war in Tigray, TPLF associated media outlets shamelessly purported that the atrocities allegedly committed in Tigray by Eritrean forces were predominantly done by Beni-Amer and Tigre (not to be confused with Tigrayan) soldiers of whom were identified by the tribal scarring on their faces. These bogus allegations were made with the sole purpose of trying to fuel Islamophobia and Tigrinya-chauvinism within Eritrea.

In short: Abiy wants to conquer Eritrea. Tigrayans want to destroy it

 

[New World]

I probably need to preface this by stating the fact that the only truly Ethiopianist ethnic groups in Ethiopia are the Amhara and all the small micro groups that cannot hope to fend for themselves without the existence of "Ethiopia". The rest like the Tigrayans (TPLF), Oromos (Prosperity|Poverty Party/Abiy Ahmed) etc are just opportunists looking to enrich themselves. Ethiopia is just a cash cow waiting to be milked.

That being said, a Tigrayan administration (or more specifically a TPLF administration) adds a more dangerous complexity to the Eritrea-Ethiopia feud. The Tigrayans are staunch ethnonationalists. Their plan has always been to stuff their pockets full of cash and develop their kilil and when the time is right: secede and join their "Tigrayan brothers" to the north. To them, Eritrea is simply a Tigrayan state (even though the Kebessa have never identified as Tigrayans in history) where they can simply join at the drop of a hat and supplant Tigrayan hegemony. The issue is that this sentiment is not reciprocated at all. It is very much an unrequited love affair. Eritrean civic nationalism and Tigrayan ethnonationalism are two irreconcilable philosophies. The only way to destroy the former is to tear apart the social fabric in Eritrea that transcends ethnic groups. That's why when Ethiopia was under TPLF administration, they hosted and funded a number of Eritrean ethnic militias (RSADO, DMLEK, SPDM etc). They have been trying to awaken an "Tigrayan ethnic consciousness" within the Tigrinya of Eritrea that simply doesn't exist. It also why during the war in Tigray, TPLF associated media outlets shamelessly purported that the atrocities allegedly committed in Tigray by Eritrean forces were predominantly done by Beni-Amer and Tigre (not to be confused with Tigrayan) soldiers of whom were identified by the tribal scarring on their faces. These bogus allegations were made with the sole purpose of trying to fuel Islamophobia and Tigrinya-chauvinism within Eritrea.

In short: Abiy wants to conquer Eritrea. Tigrayans want to destroy it

Why didn't Tigrayan leaders secede when they were in power? And why did they allow Abiy to come to power?