Musa gives Ethiopia a port and a military base on the Gulf of Aden. It's over

My point is that in 1960 all northerns agreed to permanently join Italian Somaliland. They even used the word "forever". This is the last agreement reached in a fully democratic manner by all northerners. No one voted for the 17 men who signed the "Somaliland declaration of independence" at Burco in May 1991. This was an illegal act, a treasonous act, that went against the covenant reached by all northerners in 1960.

This is how "Somaliland" looks from the outside:
Imagine if the southern Daarood (MJ, OG, MX & LK) in 1991 had collected people from the various clans of koonfur and passed a declaration of independence in Garowe declaring that Italian Somaliland will be seceding from the Somali Republic. Daarood then proceed to wage war against Hawiye who refuse to acknowledge our khayaali, and shell Beledweyne for refusing to join our resurrected Italian Somaliland.

Everyone would think we have lost our minds, and they would correct. That is crazy. That is how Isaaq/"Somaliland" appear from the outside. To all other Somalis, Isaaq seem to have lost their mind.


ps.
All irregularities that took place in 1960 were rendered null and void when the Jan 31 1961 Act of Union was passed unanimously by the combined parliaments of British & Italian Somalilands. All 33 British Somaliland MPs voted again in Jan 1961 to pass a new Act of Union which was then signed by the president. The bit about laws not being retroactive is meaningless. The highest authority on what is legal in Somalia is the Somali parliament. The July 1960 constitution only prohibited retroactive penal laws, all other types of retroactive laws were allowed (very similar to Italy).


There is no ratified act of union that is the same passed by both countries parliaments. You can't pass an international treaty in one country even if as you say all the mps voted for it. This is a no, no. In normal cases, where things work out, this is a fact only a few people would know or care about but when things go wrong people start looking carefully at the contracts and and Somalia's paper work doesn't add up. And even if all Somaliland MPs voted for it, as you claim, they would have been 33 out 123 and their no vote wouldn't have swung the issue and the people of the north rejected the constitution.

You could say there never was a legal act of union. Something the AU fact finding mission also supports.

You could also say that, Somaliland post 1991 is the successor state to British Somaliland. So really it all comes down to interpretation. Now you have your view which is one way and some people have another view which is another way and you are entitled to your opinion.
 
Everyone would think we have lost our minds, and they would correct. That is crazy. That is how Isaaq/"Somaliland" appear from the outside. To all other Somalis, Isaaq seem to have lost their mind.
Not really. For the past 3 decades Somaliland is well known to be far more stable and peaceful than Italian Somalia. If anything so called "Isaaq/Somaliland" look like they made the right decision and avoided all the chaos.
 
And Silaanyo, Egal, Edna Adan and the rest of the SL elite still took their Xamar pay checks and lived lavish lives.

Silaanyo was the worst, nigga was a minister for Barre in the 1980s.

Somalilanders only had an issue with the union once the South collapsed, up until then they were very willing to be part of the Somalia set up.
Cigaal was the head of the opposition in the national assembly and the northern bloc party SNL in the 60s and campaigned against the constitution in 1961 referendum and discreetly him and his party supported the failed 1961 coup initiated by northern officers and that failed coup showed how ununified the country was when the trial against officers began where Xamar wanted to tray them for treason under their penal code which only operated in the south not in the north where UK protectorate era penal code was working there as the majority of the northern citizens voted against the constitution the judge only gave them light sentences to the officers who plotted the coup.

Silaanyo was public servant bureaucratic working in the Somali state govts from the 60s until early 80s when he defected to opposition camp so nothing bad about him
 
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My point is that in 1960 all northerns agreed to permanently join Italian Somaliland. They even used the word "forever". This is the last agreement reached in a fully democratic manner by all northerners. No one voted for the 17 men who signed the "Somaliland declaration of independence" at Burco in May 1991. This was an illegal act, a treasonous act, that went against the covenant reached by all northerners in 1960.

This is how "Somaliland" looks from the outside:
Imagine if the southern Daarood (MJ, OG, MX & LK) in 1991 had collected people from the various clans of koonfur and passed a declaration of independence in Garowe declaring that Italian Somaliland will be seceding from the Somali Republic. Daarood then proceed to wage war against Hawiye who refuse to acknowledge our khayaali, and shell Beledweyne for refusing to join our resurrected Italian Somaliland.

Everyone would think we have lost our minds, and they would correct. That is crazy. That is how Isaaq/"Somaliland" appear from the outside. To all other Somalis, Isaaq seem to have lost their mind.


ps.
All irregularities that took place in 1960 were rendered null and void when the Jan 31 1961 Act of Union was passed unanimously by the combined parliaments of British & Italian Somalilands. All 33 British Somaliland MPs voted again in Jan 1961 to pass a new Act of Union which was then signed by the president. The bit about laws not being retroactive is meaningless. The highest authority on what is legal in Somalia is the Somali parliament. The July 1960 constitution only prohibited retroactive penal laws, all other types of retroactive laws were allowed (very similar to Italy).
There was no agreement on the union and how the state should look like or would be as the Italian Somalia politicians neglected and never consulted their northern counterparts on the Act of Union bill they drafted and forcing it to be voted without any debates or amendments done to it which makes to be an annexation bill not a real union hence why the constitution Xamar drafted was rejected by the majority of the northern voters as the No campaign was led by the SNL the northern bloc in Xamar's national assembly.
 

Periplus

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Cigaal was the head of the opposition in the national assembly and the northern bloc party SNL in the 60s and campaigned against the constitution in 1961 referendum and discreetly him and his party supported the failed 1961 coup initiated by northern officers and that failed coup showed how ununified the country was when the trial against officers began where Xamar wanted to tray them for treason under their penal code which only operated in the south not in the north where UK protectorate era penal code was working there as the majority of the northern citizens voted against the constitution the judge only gave them light sentences to the officers who plotted the coup.

Silaanyo was public servant bureaucratic working in the Somali state govts from the 60s until early 80s when he defected to opposition camp so nothing bad about him

Actually Egal was defence minister and education minister under the SYL government before becoming prime minister.

Are you really trying to defend a failed coup? Nigga that is treason in any civilised country. Not only that, they were acquitted.

Tell me what other African or even Western nation would acquit failed coup leaders?

Silaanyo was a minister for Barre up until the 1980s. Goes to show that the SL elite had no issue with Somalia until the fortunes changed.

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Silaanyo was a minister for Barre up until the 1980s. Goes to show that the SL elite had no issue with Somalia until the fortunes changed.



It was the destruction of the cities and the people though that sealed the fate because that's when the people really turned against Somalia.
 
Silaanyo had no issue being at the heart of the oppressive government until the country started falling apart.

Was the country falling apart at the time he left? I don't know when did it start? A lot of people left when it really started to get bad in the eighties I heard. It wasn't the country falling apart but it was becoming very repressive in the eighties.
 

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Was the country falling apart at the time he left? I don't know when did it start? A lot of people left when it really started to get bad in the eighties I heard.

He was a minister up until the 1980s. Had no issue collecting a kacaan pay check since 1969.
 
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It was a gradual deterioration of the situation.
I think the government at the time didn't pursue harsh punishments of the coup plotters because it enjoyed enough support and the coup wasn't very popular or maybe they wanted to not expose that there was no legitmate act of union.
Northerners, at the time boycotted the referendum but they weren't ready to take up arms and end the union.

Anyway Somalia never respected there was a union, it tried to hide that fact and then there was subsequent creation of federalism to further mask the reality. Somaglia tried everything and you gotta respect the hustle. But now the Somaglian cover up has officially failed.
 
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mohammdov

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Landers on Twitter are drumming up 26th of June as the day of reckoning. They're adamant that the juicy ictiraaf is a day from now. Garowe online claims it'll happen a few days from now. Bollocks or Addis chief will actually dare?


r/Ethiopia is already celebrating :mjlol:
Yes, Musa met with daahir Riyali, Silanyo, and all the ministers and dignitaries in Somaliland
He will go to Ethiopia and sign the agreement, and thus Ethiopia will recognize Somaliland

@Yami hhhh When the Ethiopian army enters Somaliland, it will become a kingdom. What we should do 😂
 

Yami

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Yes, Musa met with daahir Riyali, Silanyo, and all the ministers and dignitaries in Somaliland
He will go to Ethiopia and sign the agreement, and thus Ethiopia will recognize Somaliland

@Yami hhhh When the Ethiopian army enters Somaliland, it will become a kingdom. What we should do 😂
Jihaad gala
 

NidarNidar

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I've been cursed with idiots for kin. Recognition in exchange for a half a century lease and shares in a gaajo african airline :yloezpe:
We've been cursed with corrupt elders I swear, ever since we started farming... we've all become soft.

Reject farming - embrace nomadism.

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I've been cursed with idiots for kin. Recognition in exchange for a half a century lease and shares in a gaajo african airline :yloezpe:

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The way our Isaaq brothers move online I’m just glad I don’t see the “ we are NOT. SOMALIAn crowd” Outside of internet .most here hang out and get along with other Somalis
 
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