Musa gives Ethiopia a port and a military base on the Gulf of Aden. It's over

Thegoodshepherd

Thegoodshepherd

Galkacyo iyo Calula dhexdood
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Awdalite said:
I'm just saying the ugly truth out loud. Most want to portray a magnificent lie and are comfortable with exhibiting the 'correct' thing to say. Every Somali only cares about their own clan exclusively and Somalinimo means nothing unless it can be used as a meal ticket to get what you want. My proof is the current political climate in Somalia.
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What people in Awdal want is to have their destiny in their own hands. Awdal wants to be a federal state with a capital at Borama, a port at Zeila, and a road linking Zeila-Cabdulqaadir-Dir Dhabe.


The FGS is a platform for greater liberty combined with Somali national unity. That is why we created it. It is your friend.

Who stands in the way of the realization of this independent Gadabursi federal state? Delusional Isaaq pursuing a secession that is demographically untenable and whose time came & passed. Your enemy are the Isaaq (especially the business elite) who see a Zeila port, a road to the Ethiopian border and a customs point at Cabdulqaadir as an existential threat to the Berbera corridor.

This is the ugly truth. You will have to fight the Isaaq at some point in order to be able to chart your own destiny.
 
Itsnotthateasy

Itsnotthateasy

Thegoodshepherd said:
What people in Awdal want is to have their destiny in their own hands. Awdal wants to be a federal state with a capital at Borama, a port at Zeila, and a road linking Zeila-Cabdulqaadir-Dir Dhabe.


The FGS is a platform for greater liberty combined with Somali national unity. That is why we created it. It is your friend.

Who stands in the way of the realization of this independent Gadabursi federal state? Delusional Isaaq pursuing a secession that is demographically untenable and whose time came & passed. Your enemy are the Isaaq (especially the business elite) who see a Zeila port, a road to the Ethiopian border and a customs point at Cabdulqaadir as an existential threat to the Berbera corridor.

This is the ugly truth. You will have to fight the Isaaq at some point in order to be able to chart your own destiny.
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How is that platform working out for Puntland? Give it a rest.
 
XuseenS

XuseenS

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Haragwaafi

Periplus said:
1982 is 13 years into Barres reign and 22 years after independence.

You are acting like he was forced to be part of the regime?

He wanted to be there, he liked the position, the salary and the role. He left when he saw that Barre was finished.
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If the kacaan junta fired every state civil servant when they got in power the nation would have been in shambles with no qualified experts in maintaining govt agencies and ministries from functioning.
 
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Haragwaafi

Periplus said:
A national unity government is only formed if the opposition agree with the government. The SYL won a majority of seats so they were able to govern in their own right.

Also the parties were not divided on tribal lines, the SYL had both Hawiye and Darod. Egal himself joined the SYL.
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You know little on how politics in the 1st republic was and SYL wasn't a unified single party as it had regional and tribal factions within itself for example in 1964 after the national assembly election where SYL won the majority the nation went into political crisis as president Aden Adde has chosen Abdirzak Haji Hussein to be the next PM but a faction of SYL in the assembly led by Abdirashid Ali Sharmake didn't give its approval or vote for the new designated PM cabinet and the nation was without a govt for several month until the President and the opposition SYL faction reached a deal or compromise and paved the way for Abdirzak to get the votes he needed in the assembly to take his position as the next PM of the republic.

The same division still existed when the assembly was voting for the next president of the republic in 1967 with Aden Adde running for 2nd term and Abdirashid Ali Sharmake as his main opponent for that seat and Abdirashid to gain the votes he needed he went into alliance with Egal's northern party where Egal will get the post of PM if Sharmake gets the presidency which has happened.
 
Itsnotthateasy

Itsnotthateasy

daljirkadahsoon said:
Sxb let's be fair in the 60s they smoked the North and we were all considered so politically naive that 'Qaldhaan' became their term for a Northerner.
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We'll look how their cynicism has served them? They stand to lose everything.

They are too machievellian for their own good and it's set them back.

I wouldn't expect a larper to understand the potential pitfalls of machievelianism though.
 
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Periplus

Periplus

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Haragwaafi said:
If the kacaan junta fired every state civil servant when they got in power the nation would have been in shambles with no qualified experts in maintaining govt agencies and ministries from functioning.
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That’s not my point, you are creating a straw man. Obviously, the kacaan needed to keep civil servants.

The question is why did the civil servants work for the Kacaan?
 
Periplus

Periplus

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Haragwaafi said:
You know little on how politics in the 1st republic was and SYL wasn't a unified single party as it had regional and tribal factions within itself for example in 1964 after the national assembly election where SYL won the majority the nation went into political crisis as president Aden Adde has chosen Abdirzak Haji Hussein to be the next PM but a faction of SYL in the assembly led by Abdirashid Ali Sharmake didn't give its approval or vote for the new designated PM cabinet and the nation was without a govt for several month until the President and the opposition SYL faction reached a deal or compromise and paved the way for Abdirzak to get the votes he needed in the assembly to take his position as the next PM of the republic.

The same division still existed when the assembly was voting for the next president of the republic in 1967 with Aden Adde running for 2nd term and Abdirashid Ali Sharmake as his main opponent for that seat and Abdirashid to gain the votes he needed he went into alliance with Egal's northern party where Egal will get the post of PM if Sharmake gets the presidency which has happened.
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Yes, the SYL was a political party with factional divides based on qabiil and region. Doesn’t change the fact that Egal switched political party affiliation to the SYL after independence.

Are you even aware of the fact that there were multiple political parties in the Somali parliament?

Also, funny you mention region and qabiil being one of the main factional divides, when Abdirazak and Abdirashid were direct second cousins from the same region. Their factional divide was more related to generational attitudes to corruption and tribalism.
 
Itsnotthateasy

Itsnotthateasy

daljirkadahsoon said:
:ftw9nwa::ftw9nwa::ftw9nwa::ftw9nwa::ftw9nwa: Weligaa ba ka caraar inaad jawaab toos ah I asked first

Besides it is obvious to the people here cidda aan ahay why are you literally the only one who questions it
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You just make comments about GB issues/history but you never directly claimed to be one. You have too much shame to lie that blatantly I think.

Anyway this is off topic.
 
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