Puntland nationalism all time high

[MadNomad]

Think about it this way. We have never been united ever. Even under the dervish state there was significant clan component to it. This has nothing to do with intelligence or uniting, it has everything to do with solving your own problems before you can think about unifying.

As LarryThePuntite has said. Gobolnimo comes before Nationalism.

In order to reach nationalism, from tribalism you first have to try to bring law/order/development to your own region. Puntland has done this, and doing just fine while other region are doing worse so of-course they will point the finger at us. I find it funny how people from regions that were slaughtering innocent muslims just 25 years ago are taking the moral high ground when it comes to these issues.

You'll find the same story all over the world, but many groups have moved on beyond it. We haven't.

I don't think you guys realize the existential threat we face at the moment. The next 30-50 years will be crucial, and we can't afford to follow a policy of clan isolationism. Federalism is fine, but let's do it properly. We need a strong cohesive system.

Edit: Lol my bad. I mixed you up with @Abdalla.

 

[Yonis]

by your logic you shouldn't question isaaq berbera deal then....

the hypocrisy

I have never been against the berbera deal (developing berbera port).
I have been against the berbera military base, big difference

 

[Yonis]

You'll find the same story all over the world, but many groups have moved on beyond it. We haven't.

I don't think you guys realize the existential threat we face at the moment. The next 30-50 years will be crucial, and we can't afford to follow a policy of clan isolationism. Federalism is fine, but let's do it properly. We need a strong cohesive system.

Edit: Lol my bad. I mixed you up with @Abdalla.

How can you have a strong cohesive system when you have 1 clan effectively holding the Somalia capital hostage? That sounds a lot worse than mere isolationism to me.

 

[Cumar]

@Abdalla do you see any possible political scenario under which Puntland would ever seriously entertain secessionism and declare its independence?

I ask because it seems like PL has met all requirements of a sovereign state and clearly acts as one. Why not make the final push, say after more state democratization and elections are held?

 

[BenInHer]

I have never been against the berbera deal (developing berbera port).
I have been against the military base, big difference

why are you against it, but support emiratis in puntland?

 

[MadNomad]

How can you have a strong cohesive system when you have 1 clan effectively holding the Somalia capital hostage? That sounds a lot worse than mere isolationism to me.

Well you guys always talk about how clever Puntland politicians are. So why not find a way to influence what goes in the country through cooperation?

I'll tell you one thing, isolationism will set the ground work for our eventual demise. Stronger together isn't just empty platitude, it's a fact. You don't have to like southerners to work with them.

 

[Yonis]

why are you against it, but support emiratis in puntland?

UAE are only financially supporting puntland martime forces, they're not using Puntland as a chess board against houthis in Yemen.

 

[BenInHer]

UAE are only financially supporting puntland martime forces, they're not using Puntland as a chess board against houthis in Yemen.

sxb try not being bias @Yonis......

they using us ( that is if you see us as puntlanders or w/e) to undermine Somalia

 

[World]

There is no country in the world where each federal state have their own independent foreign policy, own defense, economic deals etc. What is the difference between Somaliland and Puntland in that case?

If you want to be an independent country, then don't stop hiding behind autonomy and federalism.

 

[Futurist]

Puntland looking out for their interests

Can't blame em

South aka Amisomalia is a mess

 

[Yonis]

There is no country in the world where each federal state have their own independent foreign policy, own defense, economic deals etc. What is the difference between Somaliland and Puntland in that case?

If you want to be an independent country, then don't stop hiding behind autonomy and federalism.

Are you retarded did you not read @Abdallas comment. Puntland has the status of an "independent state" until the federal government finalise and completes the constitution until then Puntland will have full autonomy.

 

[Yonis]

sxb try not being bias @Yonis......

they using us ( that is if you see us as puntlanders or w/e) to undermine Somalia

The opposite is true.
Federal government is trying to get rid of UAE to undermine Puntland

What has Qatar or Turkey done to help develop Puntland, nothing

you're asking us to throw Puntland's interests out the window for a weak corrupt 'federal government' that is being held hostage by people who murdered 100,000s somalis in less than 25 year ago. Seems like you have been blinded by fake wadanis

 

[World]

Are you retarded did you not read @Abdallas comment. Puntland has the status of an "independent state" until the federal government finalise and completes the constitution until then Puntland will have full autonomy.

Will you be willing to hand over defense and foreign policy to the FGS after they complete the constitution?

If not, then you're are an independent state in all but name and the only thing different between Puntland and Somaliland is the fact that they have the balls to declare it.

 

[Wei]

Only the North can form a functioning gov't. If we Landers and Puntites didn't hate each other, we could have been a powerhouse in the region.

Habir Gedir and other Hawiye sub clans are holding back Somalia. The South is a cesspool filled with looters, thief's, and corrupt politicians. My Mother's cousin bought a property in Xamar, but a HG family is squatting in it and claim to have been there for 25 years, although the House was built in 2007.

 

[Yonis]

Will you be willing to hand over defense and foreign policy to the FGS after they complete the constitution?

If not, then you're are an independent state in all but name and the only thing different between you and Somaliland is the fact that they have the balls to declare it.

Defense? Never.

Foreign Policy, maybe in the future when they are much less of a joke.

 

[BenInHer]

The opposite is true.
Federal government is trying to get rid of UAE to undermine Puntland

What has Qatar or Turkey done to help develop Puntland, nothing

So let me get this straight, you're asking us to throw Puntland's interests out the window for a weak corrupt 'federal government' that is being held hostage by people who murdered 100,000s somalis in less than 25 year ago. Seems like you have been blinded by fake wadanis

@Yonis thats the problem...

you don't see yourself as part of the federal goverment or choose not too...

this turkey did nothing for puntland is redundant when you have uae/china/japan funded projects.


the past is the past, lets not dwell in it.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Ok secede
Bye

Federalism is here to stay if you dont like it you secede from somalia.

 

[World]

Defense? Never.

Foreign Policy, maybe in the future when they are much less of a joke.

Find me a single country in the world where their federal states/autonomous regions have an independent and separate army, or foreign policy.

You won't be able to find one.

So why do you call it federalism and autonomy then? Either declare independence, or be part of Somalia. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Yonis]

Find me a single country in the world where their federal states/autonomous regions have an independent and separate army, or foreign policy.

You won't be able to find one.

So why do you call it federalism and autonomy then? Either declare independence, or be part of Somalia. You can't have it both ways.

What world do you live in? Why do you think there is currently an arms embargo on Somalia? theres no such thing as Somalia until clan disputes are solved. Get that through your head. Darood exodus on Mog in 91 has changed the demographics there, there is no federal government when its composed of people who want to see Puntland destroyed.

Even tutsis and hutus have solved their problems Somalia hasn't. Somalia must first reconcile the major clans, until then Puntland will stick around.

 

[World]

What world do you live in?

A world in which the federal states/autonomous regions of a country don't have their own foreign policy or armies.

Why do you think there is currently an arms embargo on Somalia? theres no such thing as Somalia until clan disputes are solved.

Somalia exists whether you like it or not. The main problem is Al Shabab not clan disputes.

Get that through your head. Darood exodus on Mog in 91 has changed the demographics there, there is no federal government when its composed of people who want to see Puntland destroyed.

Yep because Kheyre and Farmaajo want to see Puntland destroyed, right? What action of theirs has indicated that? And I've never been an advocate for centralism either post 1991.

Even tutsis and hutus have solved their problems Somalia hasn't. Somalia must first reconcile the major clans, until then Puntland will stick around.

Conflicts between major clans in Somalia are low intensity and are not comparable in any way to the genocide in Rwanda in which 1 million Tutsis were slaughtered in less 6 months. They killed Tutsis so much that they had enough of killing. Somalis haven't gone all out on each other like that.

Like I said, there is no mode of governance in which federal states/autonomous regious have their own foreign policy or army. Somalia is not a sovereign state if the FGS doesn't have control over these two institutions. So what exactly are you advocating for Puntland if it's not independence in all but name? Are you saying that this is only temporary? You haven't made your point clear.