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how many somalis do you gauge are in ottawa?

Somali refugees lay Ottawa roots


CBC News

November 04, 2011

Twenty years ago war and famine in Somalia sparked an exodus that changed the face of Ottawa.

Today there are about 20,000 people here either born in Somalia or born to Somali parents, and more Somalis continue to arrive.
 

Mohamud

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Somali refugees lay Ottawa roots


CBC News

November 04, 2011

yeah ok that's more or less based around those bogus stats that place the entire somali population here under 120k

so let's be honest there's probably slightly more that no? somewhere in the 25-30k given that all of Canada is supposedly more than 150,000 by even conservative estimates.

djiboutiennes would have to be damn near 10x greater than the their statistic claim to be even be half that number. that's not just an oversight that's absolute incompetency. something damn near unheard of.

be real with yourself.
 
yeah ok that's more or less based around those bogus stats that place the entire somali population here under 120k

so let's be honest there's probably slightly more that no? somewhere in the 25-30k given that all of Canada is supposedly more than 150,000 by even conservative estimates.

djiboutiennes would have to be damn near 10x greater than the their statistic claim to be even be half that number. that's not just an oversight that's absolute incompetency. something damn near unheard of.

be real with yourself.

In less than a decade, from 1988 to 1996, more than 55,000 Somali refugees had arrived in Canada, of which more than 7,000 thousand resettled in Canada's capital, Ottawa.

https://www.ruor.uottawa.ca/handle/10393/8831
 
yeah ok that's more or less based around those bogus stats that place the entire somali population here under 120k

so let's be honest there's probably slightly more that no? somewhere in the 25-30k given that all of Canada is supposedly more than 150,000 by even conservative estimates.

djiboutiennes would have to be damn near 10x greater than the their statistic claim to be even be half that number. that's not just an oversight that's absolute incompetency. something damn near unheard of.

be real with yourself.

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Former Minister of Foreign Affairs John Baird

"I think it would be certainly be a goal and objective of mine in the coming years to see the Canadian flag flying over Mogadishu. I think one of the ties that bind us are the 300,000 plus Canadians of Somali descent,” said Baird.
 

Mohamud

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our population is gigantic. yes.

that much is absolute. but the question is of the many refugees that come here, how on earth are people from djibouti sneaking in such a way that their numbers are more than 10x their estimate? like 300,000 is only 2 times the 150,000 estimate we have already

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that also doesn't take into the account the djibouti people in Quebec and Toronto.

even the smallest number (that only takes into account permanently landed residents and their offspring) the most egregious f*ck up is only 6x the number. that's assuming it's actually 300,000 and it definitely fucking isn't.

but what you're implying is damn near double that f*ck up. some 10x to 12x the actual population of djibouti people in this country. that is absurd.
 
Like I said, Djiboutians claimed to be from Somalia when they first came here. Their numbers are irrelevant. The point I made was they are the majority in that city and they are doing better than the other Somalis due to being bilingual
 

Mohamud

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Like I said, Djiboutians claimed to be from Somalia when they first came here. Their numbers are irrelevant. The point I made was they are the majority in that city and they are doing better than the other Somalis due to being bilingual

Which is again horseshit because their English isn't good. They can usually only speak French to a degree most in Quebec already have and they speak zero English like most Somalis.

They have no inherent advantage to other people who live in Ottawa and only have a slight advantage over their Somali brethren.

Being bilingual is borderline useless in this province no matter what people meme. It's only marginally better in the Gatineau area so hop off nigga :camby:
 
Which is again horseshit because their English isn't good. They can usually only speak French to a degree most in Quebec already have and they speak zero English like most Somalis.

They have no inherent advantage to other people who live in Ottawa and only have a slight advantage over their Somali brethren.

Being bilingual is borderline useless in this province no matter what people meme. It's only marginally better in the Gatineau area so hop off nigga :camby:

Proves you know nothing about Ottawa or even visited.

You need to be bilingual to be employed in the federal government (city's largest employer), municipal government and even some jobs provincially. You also need to know French in most professional private sector jobs.

Think what you like.
 
Which is again horseshit because their English isn't good. They can usually only speak French to a degree most in Quebec already have and they speak zero English like most Somalis.

They have no inherent advantage to other people who live in Ottawa and only have a slight advantage over their Somali brethren.

Being bilingual is borderline useless in this province no matter what people meme. It's only marginally better in the Gatineau area so hop off nigga :camby:

This whole paragraph is fake news. The average Djiboutian speaks better standard French then Québécois. In fact many make a living as French language instructors. The ones in Ottawa speak English... and like @AbdiJohnson billingualism is a must in Ottawa job market unless it's in the small tech sector.
 

Mohamud

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This whole paragraph is fake news. The average Djiboutian speaks better standard French then Québécois. In fact many make a living as French language instructors. The ones in Ottawa speak English... and like @AbdiJohnson billingualism is a must in Ottawa job market unless it's in the small tech sector.

You're on crack and so is he. There are large pockets of Quebec that speak French almost exclusively. Their horrifying accent aside they speak French to a degree that most Canadians speak English. That is to say absolutely fluently.

Second, AJ is just stupidly referencing Ottawa's bilingual structure. In that all services were now required to be made available in French and English and 1/3 of that city already speaks French and English fluently.

They have zero inherent advantage and their English is exactly the same aa other Somalis. Some were educated in other countries like Egypt and Kenya but hardly any have a command of the language. We have Djibouti people in this city.

Somalis in Ottawa have the same insufferable rap as Toronto. High unemployment and crime. Stop the bullshit.
 
You're on crack and so is he. There are large pockets of Quebec that speak French almost exclusively. Their horrifying accent aside they speak French to a degree that most Canadians speak English. That is to say absolutely fluently.

Second, AJ is just stupidly referencing Ottawa's bilingual structure. In that all services were now required to be made available in French and English and 1/3 of that city already speaks French and English fluently.

They have zero inherent advantage and their English is exactly the same aa other Somalis. Some were educated in other countries like Egypt and Kenya but hardly any have a command of the language. We have Djibouti people in this city.

Somalis in Ottawa have the same insufferable rap as Toronto. High unemployment and crime. Stop the bullshit.
AJ trolls a lot but he's right here. If you think billingualism isn't an inherent advantage in Ottawa job market you clearly know little about it. Use Google. It has little to do with services, everything to do with the city's biggest employers asking for billingualism as a requirement.


Also employers like French teaching institutions like instructors who have a better handle on standard "Parisian" French. That's why they often find jobs teaching it. It's a fact that big percentage of French language instructors are Francophone immigrants.


Your sample of two families in Scarborough means nothing, stop it.
 

Mohamud

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It's a fact that Djiboutian

AJ trolls a lot but he's right here. If you think billingualism isn't an inherent advantage in Ottawa job market you clearly know little about it. Use Google. It has little to do with services, everything to do with the city's biggest employers asking for billingualism as a requirement.

it is an inherent advantage but djibouti people don't have that grasp of english and even if they did they'd be competing with the 1/3 of people in that city who already have both. i am saying the people they are competing with for these jobs already have every single one of those qualifications to an extent they do not have and likely will not have. only argument here would be that they sneak in through ethnic diversity which is arguable i guess.

ottawa is a meme city that routinely tries to champion this concept of french integration. it does this because of the high french speaking population it has. essentially it caters to itself, but this idea that only way you can net a federal job by speaking french is bullshit. most federal workers come from various cities around ontario and very few speak french. municipal probably. but again, this is memeville ottawa. a 40-50k per year job working for parks and rec division is hardly "owning" a city.

and the biggest discussion topic here is their population size none of which is being backed with any real evidence by the pair of you. the only way to accept what AJ is saying is that the Canadian government has underestimated the djibouti population to the point where barely 10 percent is being recognized in statistics.

again. go peddle your nonsense elsewhere.
 
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